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mp1983red

i see; I do not plan to undertake a PHd and wish to move to Belgium upon compleation of my LLM and thus I considered Amsterdam the best option for future employment ect.

i see; I do not plan to undertake a PHd and wish to move to Belgium upon compleation of my LLM and thus I considered Amsterdam the best option for future employment ect.
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wizzard

Understood. Well, thanks a lot for the info, and I look forward to continue to exchange useful tips in our mutual fields of interest.
Cheers,

Understood. Well, thanks a lot for the info, and I look forward to continue to exchange useful tips in our mutual fields of interest.
Cheers,
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kubrick

Hi guys,
i have been admitted for international business law at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam. Do you know about reputation of this university and also quality of education? especially comparing with Tilburg University.

Hi guys,
i have been admitted for international business law at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam. Do you know about reputation of this university and also quality of education? especially comparing with Tilburg University.
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I am also considering looking for a job in the Netherlands after I complete my LLM, My question is: although I am already trying to learn Dutch, does anyone have any idea if it is possible to find a legal job even if you are not totally fluent in Dutch, but instead are very fluent in English and in other languages?


Well, I received an offer from Tilburg few days ago. Fantastic people are working there in my opinion. As I haven't decided yet I think Tilburg is a great option. I ponder about job prospects after completing it's LLM programme, though.

I am also considering looking for a job in the Netherlands after I complete my LLM, My question is: although I am already trying to learn Dutch, does anyone have any idea if it is possible to find a legal job even if you are not totally fluent in Dutch, but instead are very fluent in English and in other languages?



<blockquote>Well, I received an offer from Tilburg few days ago. Fantastic people are working there in my opinion. As I haven't decided yet I think Tilburg is a great option. I ponder about job prospects after completing it's LLM programme, though.</blockquote>
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pachinko

Hi !

I received an offer from Leiden (Europ&Internat Business Law) as well as from Amsterdam (International Trade& Investment law).

Does anybody have an opinion about one of these two LLM ?

Thanks !

Hi !

I received an offer from Leiden (Europ&Internat Business Law) as well as from Amsterdam (International Trade& Investment law).

Does anybody have an opinion about one of these two LLM ?

Thanks !


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mp1983red

Hello,

I personally would suggest UvA. It is currently ranked as the No 1 university in the netherlands, has a good international reputation, is far cheaper in terms of course fee's ANd you get to live in Amsterdam!!

Of course this is a little biased as I have beena ccepted into UvA and will be moving there in Sept!

Hello,

I personally would suggest UvA. It is currently ranked as the No 1 university in the netherlands, has a good international reputation, is far cheaper in terms of course fee's ANd you get to live in Amsterdam!!

Of course this is a little biased as I have beena ccepted into UvA and will be moving there in Sept!
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Colorado

Hi everybody. Does anybody know how long does it takes to hear from Amsterdam? Thanks a lot.
With regard to the discussions that you have been delaing with I am bound to say that afer a brief talk with a friend of mine from Netherlands, the best university in Holland is Leiden following by Amsterdam.

Hi everybody. Does anybody know how long does it takes to hear from Amsterdam? Thanks a lot.
With regard to the discussions that you have been delaing with I am bound to say that afer a brief talk with a friend of mine from Netherlands, the best university in Holland is Leiden following by Amsterdam.
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mp1983red

Hello,

This is untrue. The best university in NL USED to be Leiden. Now it is Amsterdam followed by Leiden and Utrecht.

As for the lenth of time to hear back, I had a respobnse in 2 weeks.

Cheers!

Hello,

This is untrue. The best university in NL USED to be Leiden. Now it is Amsterdam followed by Leiden and Utrecht.

As for the lenth of time to hear back, I had a respobnse in 2 weeks.

Cheers!
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Samira

Hi guys ! how do you manage living expences and accomodation costs ? is it expensive to live in Netherlands ? or you can find additional sponsoring for these costs ?

Cheers

Hi guys ! how do you manage living expences and accomodation costs ? is it expensive to live in Netherlands ? or you can find additional sponsoring for these costs ?

Cheers
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Colorado

Hi Samira, with regard to your query, it is also depends on where are u come from, but Amsterdam can not be considered as an expensive city, not al all. It[s just ok.Chees.

Hi Samira, with regard to your query, it is also depends on where are u come from, but Amsterdam can not be considered as an expensive city, not al all. It[s just ok.Chees.
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katebae

Does anyone know why Utrecht charges the same (quite outragously expansive tuition fees) amount for both E.U and non-E.U students for Human Rights and Int'l Criminal Justice program? and what is that program so expensive? is there a speical reason behind it?

Does anyone know why Utrecht charges the same (quite outragously expansive tuition fees) amount for both E.U and non-E.U students for Human Rights and Int'l Criminal Justice program? and what is that program so expensive? is there a speical reason behind it?
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well, I´m afraid that the only reason for that is that the Dutch government finances partially the LLM, therefore only nationals and EU member citizens can benefit from that, not Third country state citizens....There are however more scholarships available for non EU member citizens available at www.nuffic.nl

well, I´m afraid that the only reason for that is that the Dutch government finances partially the LLM, therefore only nationals and EU member citizens can benefit from that, not Third country state citizens....There are however more scholarships available for non EU member citizens available at www.nuffic.nl
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mp1983red

I think Marie has slightly misunderstood the question. I do not know why Utrecht charge such outragour fee's for these particular LLM courses. Leiden also charges the same fee for some courses (hence the reason I am going to Amsterdam). I believe the reason is that these 'specialised' courses are not financed by the Government and thus are 'private' courses...Meaning the Universities can charge whatever figure they like (the tuition fee is not capped like it is for public courses).

I think Marie has slightly misunderstood the question. I do not know why Utrecht charge such outragour fee's for these particular LLM courses. Leiden also charges the same fee for some courses (hence the reason I am going to Amsterdam). I believe the reason is that these 'specialised' courses are not financed by the Government and thus are 'private' courses...Meaning the Universities can charge whatever figure they like (the tuition fee is not capped like it is for public courses).
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Colorado

Got amission in Amsterdam but I am not sure.... Got admission both The Universi of Amsterdam and the Nottingham Trent University
What I was wondering is that with the LLM Amsterdam you don t really get specialized and the clue of the LLM is to get specialized. All the law firm are divided by teams, namely:bankinf&finance, corporate, IPwhere do you suit with and LLM International and European Law? Since in that course you study IP, market regulation, competition, companyis very general and an LLM does not have to be general. On the other hand taking the LLM Corporate Law at the NTU, one will be ONE YEAR getting knowledge only and only about company lawlet me know your thoughts. Most probably I will accept NTU, but Amsterdam has a very good reptuation but very general master dealing with all the law areas.

Got amission in Amsterdam but I am not sure.... Got admission both The Universi of Amsterdam and the Nottingham Trent University
What I was wondering is that with the LLM Amsterdam you don t really get specialized and the clue of the LLM is to get specialized. All the law firm are divided by teams, namely:bankinf&finance, corporate, IP…where do you suit with and LLM International and European Law? Since in that course you study IP, market regulation, competition, company…is very general and an LLM does not have to be general. On the other hand taking the LLM Corporate Law at the NTU, one will be ONE YEAR getting knowledge only and only about company law…let me know your thoughts. Most probably I will accept NTU, but Amsterdam has a very good reptuation but very general master dealing with all the law areas.
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mp1983red

Personally, I believe the LLM in Amsterdam will put you in a better position than the on in NTU. The reason being, depending on the track you chose of course, you will have a less specialised LL.M however, you cannot really call is broad. Rather than focusing on one particular subject (eg company law( as you would at NTU, you would cover all the areas makuing up business law giving you a more rounded knowledge of the area and making you more attractive to most companies.

Furthermore, if you look at it from a living basis....Nottinghaam does not even companre to Amsterdam.

However, you should make a decision based on what is best for you.

Personally, I believe the LLM in Amsterdam will put you in a better position than the on in NTU. The reason being, depending on the track you chose of course, you will have a less specialised LL.M however, you cannot really call is broad. Rather than focusing on one particular subject (eg company law( as you would at NTU, you would cover all the areas makuing up business law giving you a more rounded knowledge of the area and making you more attractive to most companies.

Furthermore, if you look at it from a living basis....Nottinghaam does not even companre to Amsterdam.

However, you should make a decision based on what is best for you.
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Colorado

What you have stated with regard to making you more attractive to most companies it can be arguable. As you know and as I stated in my earlier email, law firms have teams (corporate,IP,banking&finance), so if one have been one year dealing only with corporate, a given company will prefer to higher this person instead of one who has a rounded knowledge. LLM means that one is eager to pursue a specialization in an area of law. The problem of the LLM Int.European Law.Track Busines Law, is that you know a bit of everything but you are mot a master (llm=master of law) in anything.
My brother holds 2 LLM, one in Sheffield other in Kings College of London. The former was about International Law, and he faced serious problems to be higher by law firms, since he had a general knowledge. Once he got the KCL LLM in banking&finance, he got an offer immediately at White&Case, since he was one year dealing only with banking deals. Of course I like the LLM Amsterdam, if not I would never have applied for, but after double check the syllabus, talk with professional lawyers, I do not want to take risk of wasting one year just to get general knowledge.
I am aware of the Amsterdam reputation, but I do not really care, I prefer the contents of the LLM, and come on NTU is a good university also.

What you have stated with regard to ‘’ making you more attractive to most companies’’ it can be arguable. As you know and as I stated in my earlier email, law firms have ‘’teams’’ (corporate,IP,banking&finance), so if one have been one year dealing only with corporate, a given company will prefer to higher this person instead of one who has a’’ rounded knowledge’’. LLM means that one is eager to pursue a specialization in an area of law. The problem of the LLM Int.European Law.Track Busines Law, is that you know a bit of everything but you are mot a master (llm=master of law) in anything.
My brother holds 2 LLM, one in Sheffield other in King’s College of London. The former was about International Law, and he faced serious problems to be higher by law firms, since he had a general knowledge. Once he got the KCL LLM in banking&finance, he got an offer immediately at White&Case, since he was one year dealing only with banking deals. Of course I like the LLM Amsterdam, if not I would never have applied for, but after double check the syllabus, talk with professional lawyers, I do not want to take risk of wasting one year just to get general knowledge.
I am aware of the Amsterdam reputation, but ‘’I do not really care’’, I prefer the contents of the LLM, and come on NTU is a good university also.
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mp1983red

Colorado...With all due respect...Maybe you brothers CV (other than the LL.M) was not impressive. I have a friend who I studied my BA with in England, He took the LL.M at Amsterdam and is now in a TC with one of the biggest law firms (Clifford Chance). Thus, I think it would be a little nieve to put your brothers difficulties in finding emplyment soley down to the LL.M subject of his first LL.M. Note, to begin an LL.M at Sheffield is not worth half of what an LL.M is worth from KCL and this could be a reason why he was seen as more attractive after taking the 2nd LL.M.

Naturally, the decision is yours, I am here to provide information/opionion only. I believe I have done this.

Veel Success!

Colorado...With all due respect...Maybe you brothers CV (other than the LL.M) was not impressive. I have a friend who I studied my BA with in England, He took the LL.M at Amsterdam and is now in a TC with one of the biggest law firms (Clifford Chance). Thus, I think it would be a little nieve to put your brothers difficulties in finding emplyment soley down to the LL.M subject of his first LL.M. Note, to begin an LL.M at Sheffield is not worth half of what an LL.M is worth from KCL and this could be a reason why he was seen as more attractive after taking the 2nd LL.M.

Naturally, the decision is yours, I am here to provide information/opionion only. I believe I have done this.

Veel Success!
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Colorado

My brother cv was very impressive by this times indeed. In which team are the friend who is supposedly working at Clifford Chance. Is of particular interest to me.
And let me correct you, but The University of Sheefield in 2001 was a top 10 uni. I invite you to check it out.

I am waiting Manchester, Durham and The University of Nottingham. Wich other unis have u applied for?

My brother cv was very impressive by this times indeed. In which team are the friend who is supposedly working at Clifford Chance. Is of particular interest to me.
And let me correct you, but The University of Sheefield in 2001 was a top 10 uni. I invite you to check it out.

I am waiting Manchester, Durham and The University of Nottingham. Wich other unis have u applied for?
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Hi!

I have been admitted to the Utrecht LLM in Law and Economics starting in September. Anyone applying or admitted to the same LLM?
I am thinking about trying to find a compatible part time job, but I speak very little Dutch. Any ideas?

Hi!

I have been admitted to the Utrecht LLM in Law and Economics starting in September. Anyone applying or admitted to the same LLM?
I am thinking about trying to find a compatible part time job, but I speak very little Dutch. Any ideas?
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mp1983red

Colorado; I do net see why you are getting so defensive. I can find out all the information about my friends position at Clifford Chance if it would make you happy; I'll even provide his TN and EXT if that'd help.

As for Sheffield; I agree it was in the top 10 BUT, whether you think so or not, people graduating from KCL will be much more attarctive to big law firms. The reason being as it does have a better reputation than Sheffield (it is viewed by others more highly). Furthermore, KCL is located in London when all the big firms have their main offices so I think I do know what I am talking about.

As for your decision where to go, I don't really care where you choose. I was simply trying to lay ALL the cards on the table for you. Clearly, it was not what you wanted to hear and therefore of no use to you.

Colorado; I do net see why you are getting so defensive. I can find out all the information about my friends position at Clifford Chance if it would make you happy; I'll even provide his TN and EXT if that'd help.

As for Sheffield; I agree it was in the top 10 BUT, whether you think so or not, people graduating from KCL will be much more attarctive to big law firms. The reason being as it does have a better reputation than Sheffield (it is viewed by others more highly). Furthermore, KCL is located in London when all the big firms have their main offices so I think I do know what I am talking about.

As for your decision where to go, I don't really care where you choose. I was simply trying to lay ALL the cards on the table for you. Clearly, it was not what you wanted to hear and therefore of no use to you.
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