Oxford BCL/MJur 2012-2013


vindhya89

Though I joined the group... I kinda agree, we will be the 2013 batch.

Though I joined the group... I kinda agree, we will be the 2013 batch.
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Ok. then let's do "Class 2013". However, I see a lot of former BCL/MJUR students in that group........
So, maybe they just change the name every year.....

Ok. then let's do "Class 2013". However, I see a lot of former BCL/MJUR students in that group........
So, maybe they just change the name every year.....
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Another MJur here.


Me too :)

<blockquote>Another MJur here.</blockquote>

Me too :)
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Ralph Wigg...

Has anyone of you already accepted his/her offer for the MJur? If not, why?

PS: I am actually not on facebook but it might make sense to join that group...

Has anyone of you already accepted his/her offer for the MJur? If not, why?

PS: I am actually not on facebook but it might make sense to join that group...
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Mike84

Just wanted to clarify funding issues. Will accept my MJur offer next week.

Just wanted to clarify funding issues. Will accept my MJur offer next week.
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vindhya89

Guys there's a new group! Oxford BCl and Mjur- Class of 2013! Do join :)

Guys there's a new group! Oxford BCl and Mjur- Class of 2013! Do join :)
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Ralph Wigg...

As far as I understand, college places are designated to BCL/MJur applicants by an individual college's tutors in law. Given the fact that, later on, BCL/MJur students in most cases aren't tought by the tutors in law of their own college, I do wonder whether preference is given to those applicants who indicated in their application those areas of interest the tutors in law of the preferred college are working in themselves? For example: If I had stated in my application that I would like to specialise in company law during my BCL/MJur would that hamper my chances of getting admitted to college X if most of college X's tutors in law were specialising in jurisprudence?

As far as I understand, college places are designated to BCL/MJur applicants by an individual college's tutors in law. Given the fact that, later on, BCL/MJur students in most cases aren't tought by the tutors in law of their own college, I do wonder whether preference is given to those applicants who indicated in their application those areas of interest the tutors in law of the preferred college are working in themselves? For example: If I had stated in my application that I would like to specialise in company law during my BCL/MJur would that hamper my chances of getting admitted to college X if most of college X's tutors in law were specialising in jurisprudence?
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Ralph Wigg...

I have been admitted to the Oxon MJur two weeks ago, it is my absolute dream university and program and I am really looking forward to relocating to Oxfordshire this September.

Should I still worry about the fact that - as opposed to an "LLM" - in my home country (Germany, Switzerland) even many lawyers won't know what (and how great actually) an "MJur" is and how hard it is to get offered a place there?

(I am not quite sure whether I will finally end up in academia, advocacy, public service or somewhere else.)

Any thoughts most appreciated!

I have been admitted to the Oxon MJur two weeks ago, it is my absolute dream university and program and I am really looking forward to relocating to Oxfordshire this September.

Should I still worry about the fact that - as opposed to an "LLM" - in my home country (Germany, Switzerland) even many lawyers won't know what (and how great actually) an "MJur" is and how hard it is to get offered a place there?

(I am not quite sure whether I will finally end up in academia, advocacy, public service or somewhere else.)

Any thoughts most appreciated!
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Ralph Wigg...

One further thought: The same scepticism should/could be applied to the Cambridge "MCL" also, as the degree obtained won't be an "LLM".

One further thought: The same scepticism should/could be applied to the Cambridge "MCL" also, as the degree obtained won't be an "LLM".
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One further thought: The same scepticism should/could be applied to the Cambridge "MCL" also, as the degree obtained won't be an "LLM".


I guess everything depends on what kind of job/employer you are aiming at.. Most partners and/or recruitment officers in major international law firms (i.e. magic circle law firms, mainly) know what a BCL/MJur or an MCL/MLF is (having Oxbridge on your CV is a huge asset anyway, even though the programme you've undertaken is not a standard LLM).. but I guess in smaller (national) firms, this might be a bit more complicated (at least if the recruitment officer reading your CV doesn't know how to use wikipedia ;)) ..

<blockquote>One further thought: The same scepticism should/could be applied to the Cambridge "MCL" also, as the degree obtained won't be an "LLM".</blockquote>

I guess everything depends on what kind of job/employer you are aiming at.. Most partners and/or recruitment officers in major international law firms (i.e. magic circle law firms, mainly) know what a BCL/MJur or an MCL/MLF is (having Oxbridge on your CV is a huge asset anyway, even though the programme you've undertaken is not a standard LLM).. but I guess in smaller (national) firms, this might be a bit more complicated (at least if the recruitment officer reading your CV doesn't know how to use wikipedia ;)) ..
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HelpMeI'mP...

I would not hesitate for a moment about the nomenclature involved.
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.

I would not hesitate for a moment about the nomenclature involved.
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.
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HelpMeI'mP...

Also, as to your speculation on college placements, I understand that the tutors who are involved in this selection do so based on merit & suitability so a plethora of factors will come into play & I daresay speculation will only increase your apprehension! College place is truly a minor matter when it comes to the MJur.

Also, as to your speculation on college placements, I understand that the tutors who are involved in this selection do so based on merit & suitability so a plethora of factors will come into play & I daresay speculation will only increase your apprehension! College place is truly a minor matter when it comes to the MJur.
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Ralph Wigg...

I would not hesitate for a moment about the nomenclature involved.
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.


Many thanks for your encouraging statement and for putting things in the right perspective, this helps a lot! It seems there is a certain danger to lose that right perspective and to misjudge things substantially when focussing too much on this whole postgraduate stuff...

<blockquote>I would not hesitate for a moment about the nomenclature involved.
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.
</blockquote>

Many thanks for your encouraging statement and for putting things in the right perspective, this helps a lot! It seems there is a certain danger to lose that right perspective and to misjudge things substantially when focussing too much on this whole postgraduate stuff...
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Ralph Wigg...

Also, as to your speculation on college placements, I understand that the tutors who are involved in this selection do so based on merit & suitability so a plethora of factors will come into play & I daresay speculation will only increase your apprehension! College place is truly a minor matter when it comes to the MJur.


Many thanks also in this regard! I will try to calm down a little bit, enjoy my lucky, privileged situation and see what happens next. :-)

<blockquote>Also, as to your speculation on college placements, I understand that the tutors who are involved in this selection do so based on merit & suitability so a plethora of factors will come into play & I daresay speculation will only increase your apprehension! College place is truly a minor matter when it comes to the MJur.</blockquote>

Many thanks also in this regard! I will try to calm down a little bit, enjoy my lucky, privileged situation and see what happens next. :-)
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As strange as it may seem, I finally got an offer today (after a rejection two weeks ago...)

Surprised, but still happy. Now I'll have to choose between Oxford and Cambridge.

As strange as it may seem, I finally got an offer today (after a rejection two weeks ago...)

Surprised, but still happy. Now I'll have to choose between Oxford and Cambridge.
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domi88

I got a conditional offer for the Mjur, and also offers from the LSE and UCL...Im still not completely sure which one to accept...I am a bit afraid of the rigour of Oxford, and the 'tutorials' with only 2 or 3 students and 1 professor..especially that I was trained under Civil Law where teaching is completely different and I'm not a native speaker...Anyone who already completed the Mjur can give me any advice?:)
I received an offer from Wolfson, I had no college preference because I dont know much about colleges in Oxford. But does the college matters in the case of BCL/MJur ? I thought that the classes are the same for everyone, am I wrong?

I got a conditional offer for the Mjur, and also offers from the LSE and UCL...Im still not completely sure which one to accept...I am a bit afraid of the rigour of Oxford, and the 'tutorials' with only 2 or 3 students and 1 professor..especially that I was trained under Civil Law where teaching is completely different and I'm not a native speaker...Anyone who already completed the Mjur can give me any advice?:)
I received an offer from Wolfson, I had no college preference because I dont know much about colleges in Oxford. But does the college matters in the case of BCL/MJur ? I thought that the classes are the same for everyone, am I wrong?
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dmagalhaes

Has anyone else received news from colleges? I haven't yet :(

Has anyone else received news from colleges? I haven't yet :(
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As someone who has been through the BCL whirlpool:

The Colleges will make their decisions at radically different times and in radically different ways. They are different and quite autonomous institutions with their own processes.

It is a waste of time and energy to worry about what is going on behind the ivy-covered walls of one college or another, or why you've not heard from college "A" whereas your pal has heard already from college "B".

And for 99.99% of classes and individuals, the college you end up in will not affect your BCL/Mjur classes or education at all. That is to say, everyone goes to the same seminars and classes and tutorials.

You'll all get into a college of the University of Oxford, and you'll all have a great year.

As someone who has been through the BCL whirlpool:

The Colleges will make their decisions at radically different times and in radically different ways. They are different and quite autonomous institutions with their own processes.

It is a waste of time and energy to worry about what is going on behind the ivy-covered walls of one college or another, or why you've not heard from college "A" whereas your pal has heard already from college "B".

And for 99.99% of classes and individuals, the college you end up in will not affect your BCL/Mjur classes or education at all. That is to say, everyone goes to the same seminars and classes and tutorials.

You'll all get into a college of the University of Oxford, and you'll all have a great year.

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domi88

Thanks, this was helpful:)

Thanks, this was helpful:)
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psyfi

I got a conditional offer for the Mjur, and also offers from the LSE and UCL...Im still not completely sure which one to accept...I am a bit afraid of the rigour of Oxford, and the 'tutorials' with only 2 or 3 students and 1 professor..especially that I was trained under Civil Law where teaching is completely different and I'm not a native speaker...Anyone who already completed the Mjur can give me any advice?:)


Know what you mean. I actually have had similar thoughts, especially concerning language proficiency. However, as they 'only' require a 7.5 overall in the IELTS, I guess they know they can't expect the same standard as native speakers - especially, as the MJur is geared to non-natives.

<blockquote>I got a conditional offer for the Mjur, and also offers from the LSE and UCL...Im still not completely sure which one to accept...I am a bit afraid of the rigour of Oxford, and the 'tutorials' with only 2 or 3 students and 1 professor..especially that I was trained under Civil Law where teaching is completely different and I'm not a native speaker...Anyone who already completed the Mjur can give me any advice?:)</blockquote>

Know what you mean. I actually have had similar thoughts, especially concerning language proficiency. However, as they 'only' require a 7.5 overall in the IELTS, I guess they know they can't expect the same standard as native speakers - especially, as the MJur is geared to non-natives.
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