Though I joined the group... I kinda agree, we will be the 2013 batch.
Oxford BCL/MJur 2012-2013
Posted Mar 22, 2012 17:31
Posted Mar 22, 2012 18:57
Ok. then let's do "Class 2013". However, I see a lot of former BCL/MJUR students in that group........
So, maybe they just change the name every year.....
So, maybe they just change the name every year.....
Posted Mar 22, 2012 19:12
Another MJur here.
Me too :)
Me too :)
Posted Mar 22, 2012 20:49
Has anyone of you already accepted his/her offer for the MJur? If not, why?
PS: I am actually not on facebook but it might make sense to join that group...
PS: I am actually not on facebook but it might make sense to join that group...
Posted Mar 22, 2012 21:37
Just wanted to clarify funding issues. Will accept my MJur offer next week.
Posted Mar 23, 2012 05:30
Guys there's a new group! Oxford BCl and Mjur- Class of 2013! Do join :)
Posted Mar 23, 2012 15:03
As far as I understand, college places are designated to BCL/MJur applicants by an individual college's tutors in law. Given the fact that, later on, BCL/MJur students in most cases aren't tought by the tutors in law of their own college, I do wonder whether preference is given to those applicants who indicated in their application those areas of interest the tutors in law of the preferred college are working in themselves? For example: If I had stated in my application that I would like to specialise in company law during my BCL/MJur would that hamper my chances of getting admitted to college X if most of college X's tutors in law were specialising in jurisprudence?
Posted Mar 27, 2012 16:41
I have been admitted to the Oxon MJur two weeks ago, it is my absolute dream university and program and I am really looking forward to relocating to Oxfordshire this September.
Should I still worry about the fact that - as opposed to an "LLM" - in my home country (Germany, Switzerland) even many lawyers won't know what (and how great actually) an "MJur" is and how hard it is to get offered a place there?
(I am not quite sure whether I will finally end up in academia, advocacy, public service or somewhere else.)
Any thoughts most appreciated!
Should I still worry about the fact that - as opposed to an "LLM" - in my home country (Germany, Switzerland) even many lawyers won't know what (and how great actually) an "MJur" is and how hard it is to get offered a place there?
(I am not quite sure whether I will finally end up in academia, advocacy, public service or somewhere else.)
Any thoughts most appreciated!
Posted Mar 27, 2012 16:48
One further thought: The same scepticism should/could be applied to the Cambridge "MCL" also, as the degree obtained won't be an "LLM".
Posted Mar 27, 2012 17:01
One further thought: The same scepticism should/could be applied to the Cambridge "MCL" also, as the degree obtained won't be an "LLM".
I guess everything depends on what kind of job/employer you are aiming at.. Most partners and/or recruitment officers in major international law firms (i.e. magic circle law firms, mainly) know what a BCL/MJur or an MCL/MLF is (having Oxbridge on your CV is a huge asset anyway, even though the programme you've undertaken is not a standard LLM).. but I guess in smaller (national) firms, this might be a bit more complicated (at least if the recruitment officer reading your CV doesn't know how to use wikipedia ;)) ..
I guess everything depends on what kind of job/employer you are aiming at.. Most partners and/or recruitment officers in major international law firms (i.e. magic circle law firms, mainly) know what a BCL/MJur or an MCL/MLF is (having Oxbridge on your CV is a huge asset anyway, even though the programme you've undertaken is not a standard LLM).. but I guess in smaller (national) firms, this might be a bit more complicated (at least if the recruitment officer reading your CV doesn't know how to use wikipedia ;)) ..
Posted Mar 27, 2012 17:36
I would not hesitate for a moment about the nomenclature involved.
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.
Posted Mar 27, 2012 17:37
Also, as to your speculation on college placements, I understand that the tutors who are involved in this selection do so based on merit & suitability so a plethora of factors will come into play & I daresay speculation will only increase your apprehension! College place is truly a minor matter when it comes to the MJur.
Posted Mar 27, 2012 22:07
I would not hesitate for a moment about the nomenclature involved.
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.
Many thanks for your encouraging statement and for putting things in the right perspective, this helps a lot! It seems there is a certain danger to lose that right perspective and to misjudge things substantially when focussing too much on this whole postgraduate stuff...
Oxford's BCL/MJur is the most rigorous taught postgrad qualification in law anywhere.
It is indicative of its worth that it is separated from the standard LLMs by a different accreditation.
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Many thanks for your encouraging statement and for putting things in the right perspective, this helps a lot! It seems there is a certain danger to lose that right perspective and to misjudge things substantially when focussing too much on this whole postgraduate stuff...
Posted Mar 27, 2012 22:11
Also, as to your speculation on college placements, I understand that the tutors who are involved in this selection do so based on merit & suitability so a plethora of factors will come into play & I daresay speculation will only increase your apprehension! College place is truly a minor matter when it comes to the MJur.
Many thanks also in this regard! I will try to calm down a little bit, enjoy my lucky, privileged situation and see what happens next. :-)
Many thanks also in this regard! I will try to calm down a little bit, enjoy my lucky, privileged situation and see what happens next. :-)
Posted Mar 28, 2012 22:20
As strange as it may seem, I finally got an offer today (after a rejection two weeks ago...)
Surprised, but still happy. Now I'll have to choose between Oxford and Cambridge.
Surprised, but still happy. Now I'll have to choose between Oxford and Cambridge.
Posted Mar 30, 2012 15:13
I got a conditional offer for the Mjur, and also offers from the LSE and UCL...Im still not completely sure which one to accept...I am a bit afraid of the rigour of Oxford, and the 'tutorials' with only 2 or 3 students and 1 professor..especially that I was trained under Civil Law where teaching is completely different and I'm not a native speaker...Anyone who already completed the Mjur can give me any advice?:)
I received an offer from Wolfson, I had no college preference because I dont know much about colleges in Oxford. But does the college matters in the case of BCL/MJur ? I thought that the classes are the same for everyone, am I wrong?
I received an offer from Wolfson, I had no college preference because I dont know much about colleges in Oxford. But does the college matters in the case of BCL/MJur ? I thought that the classes are the same for everyone, am I wrong?
Posted Mar 30, 2012 15:35
Has anyone else received news from colleges? I haven't yet :(
Posted Mar 30, 2012 15:53
As someone who has been through the BCL whirlpool:
The Colleges will make their decisions at radically different times and in radically different ways. They are different and quite autonomous institutions with their own processes.
It is a waste of time and energy to worry about what is going on behind the ivy-covered walls of one college or another, or why you've not heard from college "A" whereas your pal has heard already from college "B".
And for 99.99% of classes and individuals, the college you end up in will not affect your BCL/Mjur classes or education at all. That is to say, everyone goes to the same seminars and classes and tutorials.
You'll all get into a college of the University of Oxford, and you'll all have a great year.
The Colleges will make their decisions at radically different times and in radically different ways. They are different and quite autonomous institutions with their own processes.
It is a waste of time and energy to worry about what is going on behind the ivy-covered walls of one college or another, or why you've not heard from college "A" whereas your pal has heard already from college "B".
And for 99.99% of classes and individuals, the college you end up in will not affect your BCL/Mjur classes or education at all. That is to say, everyone goes to the same seminars and classes and tutorials.
You'll all get into a college of the University of Oxford, and you'll all have a great year.
Posted Mar 30, 2012 15:58
Thanks, this was helpful:)
Posted Mar 30, 2012 20:41
I got a conditional offer for the Mjur, and also offers from the LSE and UCL...Im still not completely sure which one to accept...I am a bit afraid of the rigour of Oxford, and the 'tutorials' with only 2 or 3 students and 1 professor..especially that I was trained under Civil Law where teaching is completely different and I'm not a native speaker...Anyone who already completed the Mjur can give me any advice?:)
Know what you mean. I actually have had similar thoughts, especially concerning language proficiency. However, as they 'only' require a 7.5 overall in the IELTS, I guess they know they can't expect the same standard as native speakers - especially, as the MJur is geared to non-natives.
Know what you mean. I actually have had similar thoughts, especially concerning language proficiency. However, as they 'only' require a 7.5 overall in the IELTS, I guess they know they can't expect the same standard as native speakers - especially, as the MJur is geared to non-natives.
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