Indian Tribes as US Jurisdictions of law attorney admission?


So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this.

So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this.
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jwpetterch...

First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.

Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.

If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.

So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this.

First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.<br><br>Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.<br><br>If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.<br><br>[quote]So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this. [/quote]
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First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.

Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.

If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.

So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this.


I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules. 

[quote]First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.<br><br>Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.<br><br>If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.<br><br>[quote]So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this. [/quote] [/quote]<br><br>I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules.&nbsp;
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jwpetterch...

He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.



First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.

Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.

If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.

So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this.


I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules. 

He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.<br><br><br><br>[quote][quote]First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.<br><br>Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.<br><br>If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.<br><br>[quote]So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this. [/quote] [/quote]<br><br>I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules.&nbsp; [/quote]
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But Indian Tribes are US territories if I am reading that letter right. US jurisdiction language at least looks promising for a lot of this stuff 

He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.



First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.

Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.

If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.



I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules. 

<br>But Indian Tribes are US territories if I am reading that letter right. US jurisdiction language at least looks promising for a lot of this stuff&nbsp;<br>[quote]He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.<br><br><br><br>[quote][quote]First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.<br><br>Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.<br><br>If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.<br><br>[quote]So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this. [/quote] [/quote]<br><br>I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules.&nbsp; [/quote] [/quote]
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jwpetterch...

The territories are Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas and American Samoa. They are sovereign and have a different constitutional status. Indian tribes are Indian tribes- they're domestic dependent nations. You;re misunderstanding this. This argument will go nowhere with bar authorities. Good luck with it though.


But Indian Tribes are US territories if I am reading that letter right. US jurisdiction language at least looks promising for a lot of this stuff 
He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.





I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules. 

The territories are Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas and American Samoa. They are sovereign and have a different constitutional status. Indian tribes are Indian tribes- they're domestic dependent nations. You;re misunderstanding this. This argument will go nowhere with bar authorities. Good luck with it though.<br><br>[quote]<br>But Indian Tribes are US territories if I am reading that letter right. US jurisdiction language at least looks promising for a lot of this stuff&nbsp;<br>[quote]He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.<br><br><br><br>[quote][quote]First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.<br><br>Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.<br><br>If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.<br><br>[quote]So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this. [/quote] [/quote]<br><br>I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules.&nbsp; [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
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The territories are Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas and American Samoa. They are sovereign and have a different constitutional status. Indian tribes are Indian tribes- they're domestic dependent nations. You;re misunderstanding this. This argument will go nowhere with bar authorities. Good luck with it though.


But Indian Tribes are US territories if I am reading that letter right. US jurisdiction language at least looks promising for a lot of this stuff 
He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.





The guy wrote a law review article which argues you're wrong: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5008518

[quote]The territories are Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas and American Samoa. They are sovereign and have a different constitutional status. Indian tribes are Indian tribes- they're domestic dependent nations. You;re misunderstanding this. This argument will go nowhere with bar authorities. Good luck with it though.<br><br>[quote]<br>But Indian Tribes are US territories if I am reading that letter right. US jurisdiction language at least looks promising for a lot of this stuff&nbsp;<br>[quote]He cannot practice in Federal Courts on that basis. He will not be admitted on that basis alone, you must be admitted to a state or territorial bar to practice in a federal district or appellate court. That includes immigration/bankruptcy courts.<br><br><br><br>[quote][quote]First off, his admission on Florida is as in-house counsel, and has limited license to practice law as such. Most states will let out of state attorneys register for limited license purposes if they are working for a company with multiple out of state locations, but their license to practice law is still limited to advising the company on more general corporate matters, and they *cannot* appear in court and definitely not on behalf of other clients.<br><br>Secondly, even though most Native American Indian tribes operate their own court systems and admit attorney separate from state/federal courts, sometimes even without law degrees from ABA law schools, they do not just admit any random person who comes along. You need to be known to the tribe and actually going to be active at the tribe's bar to gain license there.<br><br>If you have an LLB degree or are licensed to practice in your home jurisdiction, there are states where you can take the bar exam already.<br><br>[quote]So I came across this post on an Indian law blog called turtle talk: https://turtletalk.blog/2023/02/17/florida-state-bar-authorizes-practices-of-lawyer-admitted-in-st-croix-tribal-court/

I found the guys in house counsel page, so it seems legitimate:
https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-afah/profile/?num=1040046

I wonder this would allow me to practice immigration law in this country with my LLB. Would love to hear some thoughts or if anyone else has looked into this. [/quote] [/quote]<br><br>I see. I would rather give an Indian Tribe $ for a licensing fee though than take the bar or get an LLM degree. What brought my attention to this is it is a US Jurisdiction which means he might be able to practice federally depending on admission rules.&nbsp; [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]

The guy wrote a law review article which argues you're wrong: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5008518
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