NYU vs. Upenn vs. Berkeley


arwa
Hello everyone,

So as the title suggests I've been accepted to these great schools! and as the deadline for accepting their offers is approaching I feel more stressed and confused!
I'm interested in business and corporation law courses, that's why I'm leaning towards Upenn but regarding international reputation it seems to me that NYU and Berkeley come first!
what do you guys think?
your comments would be highly appreciated

Thank you
Hello everyone,

So as the title suggests I've been accepted to these great schools! and as the deadline for accepting their offers is approaching I feel more stressed and confused!
I'm interested in business and corporation law courses, that's why I'm leaning towards Upenn but regarding international reputation it seems to me that NYU and Berkeley come first!
what do you guys think?
your comments would be highly appreciated

Thank you
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Would you be taking the Wharton certificate at UPenn?
Would you be taking the Wharton certificate at UPenn?
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arwa
Would you be taking the Wharton certificate at UPenn?


Yes!
<blockquote>Would you be taking the Wharton certificate at UPenn?</blockquote>

Yes!
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Ok then, Upenn might not have the strongest international reputation as a law school, but Wharton does have a very strong reputation as a business school.

If you are going to look for work on the corporate area (ie work for a company or a very specialized international law firm) the persons who will hire you will most certainly know Wharton, they might even have applied to it's MBA program, and thus that would be, I think, your best alternative.

Furthermore, the Wharton certificate will give you not only prestige but also knowledge that will be very usefull for your professional carreer, and that is an important plus to the corporate law courses that you will be able to take as a regular LLM student at any other university.

Best of luck!
Ok then, Upenn might not have the strongest international reputation as a law school, but Wharton does have a very strong reputation as a business school.

If you are going to look for work on the corporate area (ie work for a company or a very specialized international law firm) the persons who will hire you will most certainly know Wharton, they might even have applied to it's MBA program, and thus that would be, I think, your best alternative.

Furthermore, the Wharton certificate will give you not only prestige but also knowledge that will be very usefull for your professional carreer, and that is an important plus to the corporate law courses that you will be able to take as a regular LLM student at any other university.

Best of luck!
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meco
I agree 100% with stratochelo. Like you I was admitted to NYU and Penn and will chose Penn Law. I might also add that the recruiters in big corporate law firms know how good Penn Law is. Also, the LL.M class at Penn is one of the smallest (with Duke I think...) which for me is something to take into account as well.
I agree 100% with stratochelo. Like you I was admitted to NYU and Penn and will chose Penn Law. I might also add that the recruiters in big corporate law firms know how good Penn Law is. Also, the LL.M class at Penn is one of the smallest (with Duke I think...) which for me is something to take into account as well.
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arwa
Ok then, Upenn might not have the strongest international reputation as a law school, but Wharton does have a very strong reputation as a business school.

If you are going to look for work on the corporate area (ie work for a company or a very specialized international law firm) the persons who will hire you will most certainly know Wharton, they might even have applied to it's MBA program, and thus that would be, I think, your best alternative.

Furthermore, the Wharton certificate will give you not only prestige but also knowledge that will be very usefull for your professional carreer, and that is an important plus to the corporate law courses that you will be able to take as a regular LLM student at any other university.

Best of luck!


Thank you very much! you're absolutely right, the Wharton certificate is a huge bonus!
btw where are you going?
<blockquote>Ok then, Upenn might not have the strongest international reputation as a law school, but Wharton does have a very strong reputation as a business school.

If you are going to look for work on the corporate area (ie work for a company or a very specialized international law firm) the persons who will hire you will most certainly know Wharton, they might even have applied to it's MBA program, and thus that would be, I think, your best alternative.

Furthermore, the Wharton certificate will give you not only prestige but also knowledge that will be very usefull for your professional carreer, and that is an important plus to the corporate law courses that you will be able to take as a regular LLM student at any other university.

Best of luck!
</blockquote>

Thank you very much! you're absolutely right, the Wharton certificate is a huge bonus!
btw where are you going?
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arwa
I agree 100% with stratochelo. Like you I was admitted to NYU and Penn and will chose Penn Law. I might also add that the recruiters in big corporate law firms know how good Penn Law is. Also, the LL.M class at Penn is one of the smallest (with Duke I think...) which for me is something to take into account as well.

Thank you, it is great to hear from someone who's in the same situation!
<blockquote>I agree 100% with stratochelo. Like you I was admitted to NYU and Penn and will chose Penn Law. I might also add that the recruiters in big corporate law firms know how good Penn Law is. Also, the LL.M class at Penn is one of the smallest (with Duke I think...) which for me is something to take into account as well. </blockquote>
Thank you, it is great to hear from someone who's in the same situation!
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Thank you very much! you're absolutely right, the Wharton certificate is a huge bonus!
btw where are you going?


You are very welcome.

I havn't decided yet, I'm waiting for fellowship decisions from Cornell to make up my mind.
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Thank you very much! you're absolutely right, the Wharton certificate is a huge bonus!
btw where are you going?</blockquote>

You are very welcome.

I havn't decided yet, I'm waiting for fellowship decisions from Cornell to make up my mind.

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Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference.
Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference.
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idodee
Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference.


Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.
<blockquote>Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference. </blockquote>

Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.
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Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference.


Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.


Well I do agree with idodee that there are schools which are not IVY but are really good such as Stanford, MIT (though not for law), Berkley, NYU et al. But going by the current thread on NYU v. Upeen v. Berkley, one should take an informed decision looking at all scenarios and not only one. Also, dismissing the fact that the term IVY league is bullshit is a little extreme, the concept of IVY league obviously was for north eastern US colleges, which is an age old concept. Nevertheless, choosing the college only because its an IVY league is not wise. One should take a lot of things into consideration specially financial aid, how expensive is the city vis-a-vis cost of living, prospects after LLM (obviously getting a job in US is close to utopia), the reputation,et al.

Well there are other considerations too..but I guess taking extreme views about one thing would be unwise. Please do correct me if I am wrong.

Regards
<blockquote><blockquote>Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference. </blockquote>

Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.</blockquote>

Well I do agree with idodee that there are schools which are not IVY but are really good such as Stanford, MIT (though not for law), Berkley, NYU et al. But going by the current thread on NYU v. Upeen v. Berkley, one should take an informed decision looking at all scenarios and not only one. Also, dismissing the fact that the term IVY league is bullshit is a little extreme, the concept of IVY league obviously was for north eastern US colleges, which is an age old concept. Nevertheless, choosing the college only because its an IVY league is not wise. One should take a lot of things into consideration specially financial aid, how expensive is the city vis-a-vis cost of living, prospects after LLM (obviously getting a job in US is close to utopia), the reputation,et al.

Well there are other considerations too..but I guess taking extreme views about one thing would be unwise. Please do correct me if I am wrong.

Regards
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Alipay
FYI Upenn admits 50 ppl from China this year. Enjoy.
FYI Upenn admits 50 ppl from China this year. Enjoy.
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bluecrown
Hi,

Based on your profile, I would agree with everybody and go with Penn Law for several reasons. Penn Law ranks well as a law school (7th in the US News Rankings, next to NYU--take rankings with a grain of salt but it still gives you a rough idea about a school's pedigree or standing). Coupled with a Wharton Certificate, it is in my opinion, more impressive than an NYU or Berkeley LLM. Among the 3, I would say that Penn is also most known in business and corporate law (also because of the Wharton influence). The Wharton courses that are available to LLM students are very varied and interesting. That is also another thing to consider. I also agree that the Ivy League tag does not really speak of academic prestige. It is after all, a sporting/athletic event. But it still does give out that appeal--certainly not a factor to consider when choosing a school, but nice to have as a cherry on top. P.S. NYU Law also has a tie up with Stern School of Business (similar to the Penn Law+Wharton tandem). But Wharton's prestige is in my opinion, way better than Stern (even if Stern is also a great business school). And unless your law focus is trade (in the more general business/corp. sense), I don't think NYU Law is strong on business/corp. law. Just my 2 cents. Hope that helps.
Hi,

Based on your profile, I would agree with everybody and go with Penn Law for several reasons. Penn Law ranks well as a law school (7th in the US News Rankings, next to NYU--take rankings with a grain of salt but it still gives you a rough idea about a school's pedigree or standing). Coupled with a Wharton Certificate, it is in my opinion, more impressive than an NYU or Berkeley LLM. Among the 3, I would say that Penn is also most known in business and corporate law (also because of the Wharton influence). The Wharton courses that are available to LLM students are very varied and interesting. That is also another thing to consider. I also agree that the Ivy League tag does not really speak of academic prestige. It is after all, a sporting/athletic event. But it still does give out that appeal--certainly not a factor to consider when choosing a school, but nice to have as a cherry on top. P.S. NYU Law also has a tie up with Stern School of Business (similar to the Penn Law+Wharton tandem). But Wharton's prestige is in my opinion, way better than Stern (even if Stern is also a great business school). And unless your law focus is trade (in the more general business/corp. sense), I don't think NYU Law is strong on business/corp. law. Just my 2 cents. Hope that helps.
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arwa
Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference.


Although i don't consider the ivy league brand a factor that would affect my decision, I do think it's the cherry on top!
<blockquote>Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference. </blockquote>

Although i don't consider the ivy league brand a factor that would affect my decision, I do think it's the cherry on top!
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arwa
FYI Upenn admits 50 ppl from China this year. Enjoy.


care to elaborate?
<blockquote>FYI Upenn admits 50 ppl from China this year. Enjoy.</blockquote>

care to elaborate?
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arwa
Hi,

Based on your profile, I would agree with everybody and go with Penn Law for several reasons. Penn Law ranks well as a law school (7th in the US News Rankings, next to NYU--take rankings with a grain of salt but it still gives you a rough idea about a school's pedigree or standing). Coupled with a Wharton Certificate, it is in my opinion, more impressive than an NYU or Berkeley LLM. Among the 3, I would say that Penn is also most known in business and corporate law (also because of the Wharton influence). The Wharton courses that are available to LLM students are very varied and interesting. That is also another thing to consider. I also agree that the Ivy League tag does not really speak of academic prestige. It is after all, a sporting/athletic event. But it still does give out that appeal--certainly not a factor to consider when choosing a school, but nice to have as a cherry on top. P.S. NYU Law also has a tie up with Stern School of Business (similar to the Penn Law+Wharton tandem). But Wharton's prestige is in my opinion, way better than Stern (even if Stern is also a great business school). And unless your law focus is trade (in the more general business/corp. sense), I don't think NYU Law is strong on business/corp. law. Just my 2 cents. Hope that helps.


Thank you very much! it does help!!
<blockquote>Hi,

Based on your profile, I would agree with everybody and go with Penn Law for several reasons. Penn Law ranks well as a law school (7th in the US News Rankings, next to NYU--take rankings with a grain of salt but it still gives you a rough idea about a school's pedigree or standing). Coupled with a Wharton Certificate, it is in my opinion, more impressive than an NYU or Berkeley LLM. Among the 3, I would say that Penn is also most known in business and corporate law (also because of the Wharton influence). The Wharton courses that are available to LLM students are very varied and interesting. That is also another thing to consider. I also agree that the Ivy League tag does not really speak of academic prestige. It is after all, a sporting/athletic event. But it still does give out that appeal--certainly not a factor to consider when choosing a school, but nice to have as a cherry on top. P.S. NYU Law also has a tie up with Stern School of Business (similar to the Penn Law+Wharton tandem). But Wharton's prestige is in my opinion, way better than Stern (even if Stern is also a great business school). And unless your law focus is trade (in the more general business/corp. sense), I don't think NYU Law is strong on business/corp. law. Just my 2 cents. Hope that helps.</blockquote>

Thank you very much! it does help!!
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arwa
Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference.


Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.


Of course I won't base my decision on the ivy league tag but I don't think it's " bullshit " either!!
<blockquote><blockquote>Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference. </blockquote>

Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.</blockquote>

Of course I won't base my decision on the ivy league tag but I don't think it's " bullshit " either!!
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Cassius
Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference.


Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.


Of course I won't base my decision on the ivy league tag but I don't think it's " bullshit " either!!

Let's use a more diplomatic language "Ivy League schools are no longer the only elite in US universities". Stanford and MIT are the best examples to my mind.
uPenn seems to be the right choice for you, Arwa. Good luck to you!
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Adding to the discussion. Penn Law is an Ivy League. Which I think does make a huge difference. I don't know whether people will agree, the Ivy League tag does make a huge difference. </blockquote>

Ivy League is bullshit. Of course those are good schools, but there are many schools who aren't ivy and better than most ivies. For example NYU law is better than Cornell. Moreover, ask a random person to name all the ivies and I bet you they will name Harvard Yale and that's it, and maybe some will even wrongfully name Stanford. What I'm saying is that don't make a decision just because a school is 'ivy league'.</blockquote>

Of course I won't base my decision on the ivy league tag but I don't think it's " bullshit " either!! </blockquote>
Let's use a more diplomatic language "Ivy League schools are no longer the only elite in US universities". Stanford and MIT are the best examples to my mind.
uPenn seems to be the right choice for you, Arwa. Good luck to you!
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