LLM Class of 2008

Lit

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Posted Sep 20, 2007 17:05

Again, it's one thing to ask her what she bases her opinion of a certain School on, because should such an opinion prove to be baseless, she'll be exposed. It's another thing altogether to attack her person. I agree with you that some people on this board have been out of line in terms of how condescending or arrogant they are, and those people have been put in-line. I honestly do not think that ED is one of those, I just think she is vehement on her opinions, some of which might be a bit strong, but when one looks at the intention behind this board, I do not think that her views are harmful, and I'd go so far as to say some have been helpful to many people.

Where her views are baselessly contrary to your own, expose her on that basis and not personally. Poor woman (I don't mean that condescendingly, just trying to bring some humour to this thread) is still asleep while we rage on about her.

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Posted Sep 20, 2007 22:53

It is in our nature as lawyers to descend into the arena and where you feel someone has stepped out of line it is very well in order to rein them back in by stating facts and in some cases thier mistakes. This in no way is supportive of personal attacks, but CD's point which started all of this has clearly been been made.

ED has even (rather dissapointingly) quickly dissasociated herself from all the uninformed statements about NYU:
"Note that this term was used by many others before me and denoted the huge number of LLM's which, the argument goes, means it is arguably......"

A few facts:

Cambridge University gets, according to it, about a thousand (1000) LLM applications every year and they number of LLM intakes is between a hundred and twoo hundred
NYU gets well over two thousand (2000) LLM applications for different specialisations hence the size of its LLM class. Also the attraction of studying in New York (for different reasons including job opportinities and taking the NY bar) Obviously increases the net present value of making an investment to study at NYU.

I have often heard a lot of negative things said about top schools like NYU, Harvard etc but the reality is you know the value of a painting by the amount of ill spoken about it.

P.S I am neither an NYU alumni nor current student but I will certainly not mind going there. Cheers!

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equity's d...

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Posted Sep 21, 2007 00:53

I dont know if the rest of you have read her last 2000 offensive posts... everyone is entitled to their opinions, sure. But it gets abit repetitive when she goes on and on about NYU being a 'supermarket', a 'factory,' and that those who are in NYU got rejected by the 'better' schools like Harvard and Columbia. Having professed that she does not actually know ANYONE in NYU, I am wondering how she forms these baseless assumptions? on the mere intake of the students? I would say that such sweeping generalizations are ridiculous and pathetic.

It's nice to see you pointing to facts rather than just ad hominem attacks, although it is an unfair misrepresentation to suggest that I go "on and on" about NYU being a factory and a supermarket (I'll leave the comment about 2000 other posts aside as that is obviously hyperbolic and not meant to be taken seriously).

It is true that I have called NYU both a factory and a supermarket, but I believe I may have had two posts to that effect--hardly going on and on by any reasonable standard.

And the suggestion that I've said negative things about other schools is just plain untrue. I can't recall ever saying anything negative about ny other schools except the NYU comment above, which, i remind you again, was a comment made by several others before me and simply repeated by me.

Now, I still believe that NYU is less competative than other tip ranked schools like harv, yale, colombia, and oxbridge. I believe this follows from the fact that that have a huge entering class and from the fact that I suspect most of the very, very best students that also apply to harv, yale, and are accpeted at those schools tend to accept there.
How do I know this? I don't, it's just my guess. Could I be wrong? Sure. Are the exceptions (ie candidateas accepted to Harv that instead chose NYU) of course. But none of that detracts from my firm view that most of the 400 people accpeted into NYU probably woudn't get into harv or yale.
Why do I believe this even though I don't have any proof of it? Common sense. Ask yourselves, honestly, whether you would turn down harv or yale for NYU? Even if the answer is yes, I still think you're in the minority.

But none of this is a slight against NYU. It's one of the best unis in the world. Because many of its students couldn't get into harvard doesn't mean that their somehow second class students. That's like saying jack nicklaus is a second class gokfer because tiger could probably beta him. I think, as a lawyer, it is incumbant upon you to think your points through before running to the extreme interpetation of an opinion and then attacking the writer personally.

Oh, and I stand byt my statement that harvard is a better school than NYU. You find this offensive?
And about me supposedly bragging about my CV, go read the post above mine where the person asks specifically about my background. I provided in abbreviated form an answer to a direct question.

<blockquote>I dont know if the rest of you have read her last 2000 offensive posts... everyone is entitled to their opinions, sure. But it gets abit repetitive when she goes on and on about NYU being a 'supermarket', a 'factory,' and that those who are in NYU got rejected by the 'better' schools like Harvard and Columbia. Having professed that she does not actually know ANYONE in NYU, I am wondering how she forms these baseless assumptions? on the mere intake of the students? I would say that such sweeping generalizations are ridiculous and pathetic.</blockquote>

It's nice to see you pointing to facts rather than just ad hominem attacks, although it is an unfair misrepresentation to suggest that I go "on and on" about NYU being a factory and a supermarket (I'll leave the comment about 2000 other posts aside as that is obviously hyperbolic and not meant to be taken seriously).

It is true that I have called NYU both a factory and a supermarket, but I believe I may have had two posts to that effect--hardly going on and on by any reasonable standard.

And the suggestion that I've said negative things about other schools is just plain untrue. I can't recall ever saying anything negative about ny other schools except the NYU comment above, which, i remind you again, was a comment made by several others before me and simply repeated by me.

Now, I still believe that NYU is less competative than other tip ranked schools like harv, yale, colombia, and oxbridge. I believe this follows from the fact that that have a huge entering class and from the fact that I suspect most of the very, very best students that also apply to harv, yale, and are accpeted at those schools tend to accept there.
How do I know this? I don't, it's just my guess. Could I be wrong? Sure. Are the exceptions (ie candidateas accepted to Harv that instead chose NYU) of course. But none of that detracts from my firm view that most of the 400 people accpeted into NYU probably woudn't get into harv or yale.
Why do I believe this even though I don't have any proof of it? Common sense. Ask yourselves, honestly, whether you would turn down harv or yale for NYU? Even if the answer is yes, I still think you're in the minority.

But none of this is a slight against NYU. It's one of the best unis in the world. Because many of its students couldn't get into harvard doesn't mean that their somehow second class students. That's like saying jack nicklaus is a second class gokfer because tiger could probably beta him. I think, as a lawyer, it is incumbant upon you to think your points through before running to the extreme interpetation of an opinion and then attacking the writer personally.

Oh, and I stand byt my statement that harvard is a better school than NYU. You find this offensive?
And about me supposedly bragging about my CV, go read the post above mine where the person asks specifically about my background. I provided in abbreviated form an answer to a direct question.

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Russ

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Posted Sep 21, 2007 08:56

I don't think it's offensive to call NYU a supermarket. What's so bad about supermarkets. You have more choice and more fellow customers than in the corner shop. Apart from that, NYU has such a strong position that ED's comments will not jeopardize its future.

BTW: This is Tellbucks original question to ED:
"So are you a UK student or are you from an overseas law school? and what were your grades to get into Cambridge if you don't mind me asking. Do you think I would stand a chance of getting an offer with the grade I have at the moment?"

ED was just answering this question and trying to be helpful. Not everyone would reveal his/her background in this board.

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ozman

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Posted Sep 21, 2007 13:10

very well done RUSS....! that was exactly what should have been said...

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Jaan222

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Posted Sep 23, 2007 10:22

Hello guys..................i think we r done with fighting.......................ED was totally helpful and provided great info........................and if someone doesnt like her he should go away...............................well done ED.................and good luck for LL.M appliers..............
Cheers
Hafiz

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Senator

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Posted Sep 25, 2007 21:00

ED I am surprised you even dignified such stupidity with a response.

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Torontoboy

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Posted Nov 05, 2007 14:24

I realize this is a site for LLM-related posts but I could use some assistance regarding LLB/JD's:
-I'm from Toronto and was wondering if I took an LLB in England, if I could practice in NY/TO? (job prospects, bar exam)
-Is anyone aware of the difficulty to get into an LLB/JD dual-program?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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susiee

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Posted Nov 06, 2007 03:19

If you do your llb in england, you are eligible to take the ny bar exam (without an llm). I don't know about toronto. However, it is pretty tough for foreign lawyers to get jobs in the u.s., even with an ll.m. Alternatively, you could try getting a job at a big uk city firm or u.s. firm in london, and then try to transfer to their U.S. offices after a couple of years.

I think UCL has a dual BA / JD program with Columbia, so you can get a BA in Law and a JD in 4 years. Sounds pretty good. But the catch is you have to top your class.

hope this helps!

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