was just a stupid joke...where I work I'm already among French people and I love it! by the way, I've applied to 8 schools, in order to be granted with some generous scholarship somewhere. for me it's gonna be only a $ issue... so I cannot rely just on HLS or YLS...I've also to apologise 'cause I thought you were talking about people that already earned thier PhD...I decided not to apply to NYU, CLS and UPenn...I regret only UPenn honestly...

For which reasons you decided not to apply to NYU and CLS ? (There's a topic about NYU where people say it's like an industry and a money maker), but what about CLS ?

Hi hopefor: Might I ask you why some people are saying that NYU i"t's like an industry and a money maker"?
Thanks!

I didn't apply to either NYU or Columbia 'cause I've been recently in NYC and I didn't enjoy their setting. Beyond doubt their faculty quality is terrific, but I won't go there if admitted to HLS, YLS, UChicago and Berkeley, and paying $185 (hope to remember the exact application fee) for another backplan doesn't worth that money...trying to give Jenny a meaningful reply, I think it's due to their approach towards students...if you're looking for a school where to weave links with faculties, perhaps CLS and NYU are not the best place where to...let's say they have a business approach, which is not exactly the one you can find if admitted to Harvard or Yale...lastly, think about the size of LL.M class: Yale 25(!), Chicago 50, UVA 50, Cornell 55-65, Duke76,Harvard 150, CLS 210, NYU not found (but should be quite high too)

Thanks Stagista!
So you think that the LLM in CLS and NYU works more like a bussines than as a School no (in other words, that they are trying only to make money)? About the size, yes, I can understand your concern..
Btw, NYU has 425 -450 LLM students (including many US citizens) Cheers!

what?! are you sure about these numbers? almost impossible to believe...(don't want to doubt your words, it was just for emphasizing). that's definitively the reason why they complain about the afore-mentionened schools...is a further evidence they want to make money selling their brand to foreign students...how to compare YLS with NYU/CLS? they're ranked 4th and 5th, but they alone admit far more students than the other 15 top schools togheter...

"the Law School received more than 2,000 applications for full-time programs for a New York City class of about 425 students "
http://www.law.nyu.edu/llmjsd/graduateadmissions/faqs/allgraduatellmjsdandadvancedcertificateapplicants/index.htm

means you have 20% chance to get into NYU, against a 2,5% at Yale or a 4% at Stanford...I didn't know about this...but it's plausible that's the main reason to call them a production line...[$40.000 tuitions + 10.000 (or more) life expenses] x 425 students = BIG MONEY!= $21,250,000

I'm a little bit worried about LSAC, none of the law school I've applied for requested my transcripts yet.
If I chek at "Account status" and "reports and letter", is it the right place where I can check if the law schools asked for my report ?

Hi hopefor!

I use LSAC for 3 universities namely, NYU, Stanford and Columbia.

NYU had already requested and received a credential report from LSAC. If I'm not wrong, NYU requested my report within a week after they received my online application.

However, Columbia and Stanford haven't requested LSAC report yet...but it's only been a week since I submitted my application. So I guess I have to wait and see too! :)

Hope this help.

Well the PhD thing is incorrect. A LLM is a post graduate program, you can compare it to a MBA... and actually a lot of schools expect you to have work experience either... you don't have worse chances, just because you finished your studies. On the contrary! A lot of professional lawyers apply and most of them get admitted. I know for a fact for example that a lot of german students (actually most of them) who get admitted to HLS hold PhDs already. HLS seems to prefer those candidates... at least when you apply from Germany, thats what I can tell.

sorry but I disagree. if you're talking about law and law only, it will be difficult to be admitted to a LL.M program after you already earned your PhD in law (SJD)...the LL.M is also seen as the first year of an eventual SJD...if instead you have studied at the business school, sure you can apply to a master in laws. by the way, MBA is for business school waht JD is for law...not LL.M...

Well how come you need to have 2 years of work experience for a MBA and for a JD you don't?

Well I can tell you that when it comes to Germany post PhD students have way better chances to get into HLS, YLS, SLS, etc. then those without a PhD. Its a fact. You are def. wrong on this one.

Isnt the German version more like an extended MA thesis? Nearly 75% of the German lawyers you meet hold a PhD Purely for that fact, I have a hard time equating the German PhD with the American SJD/JSD. Significant scholarly contribution is key, of course, and I just dont see that happening with that many contributions.

oh yeah you are totally right! Its not comparable at all. Its more like a publication of a very extended master thesis.
Its called "doctorate" Dr. and it has around 200-400 pages (depends on the student, professor and topic) and you don't have to teach during that! Its not comparable to an american PhD, SJD...or whatever. Its not comparable to a polish doctorate either... a polish one is more like an american one...way higher standards!
Still doesn't change the fact that MOST german students WITH a doctorate have better chances to get into a llm program in those top schools I mentioned. I guess the schools see it like a significant publication. But not more..not less either.
And it most certainly doesn't blow your chances of getting admitted...

sorry but I still disagree. first of all, business is not law, and secondly, I think you're confusing JD with SJD (that is the PhD). JD is the graduate program that allows you to take the bar exam and then become a lawyer. if you wanna get into Yale, Harvard, ecc., you're likely to need some work experience as judge clerk or similar. it's not rare, however, to step into the law school right after your bachelor. That said, I think you're confused, but of course I could be the one mistaken

I know the american system...
and still... german students have BETTER chances to get into a llm program in HLS, YLS, SLS, etc. WITH a dotorate (Dr.)...which is similar to the PhD, SJD etc. It makes your chances BETTER, and not worse...

I kinda second Map2009 here, a friend of mine got admitted to YLS after his PhD and apparently many people had a PhD in his class. maybe YLS is special, i don't know... i don't really know about HLS though...
I guess it actually really depends on many factors, e.g. dedication to your studies, and having a PhD is a good proof that you are a good student :)

I'm having big trouble, I've called one of the law schools I've applied to : University of Pennsylvania and they said my LSAC number (starting with an L and 8 digits after) does not exist ! I have checked and it is the correct number ! I don't understand. Do you think I forgot to do something after having the summary ? Like ordering additional reports in order to have a different number to give to the law schools ?
Thank you for your help.

I found the problem, I registered for a LSAC account number (by clicking "apply to law schools", in fact it is for JD applicants and for LLM applicants we must go to "special interests" which I did not see), and I did not register for a LLM Credential assembly service account number, I have to send a new LSAC number to the law schools. I heard from LSAC, that it often happen. Do you know if it is a problem with the law schools deadlines if I provide them with an LSAC number two weeks after the deadline (december 1st) ? Is there anyone who had the same problem ?