Some of the information and numbers being thrown around in this thread shouldn't be taken as holy writ.

I can only speak for Oxford, and about Canadians, but this idea that your class rank needs to be tied to the "rank" of your school isn't anything I've observed. There are at least 6 Canadians in the BCL this year, and we're all from different schools, spanning the (largely imaginary) range of Canadian institutions. We're not all gold medalists, and I don't think there's a publication between us. We ran a relatively narrow gauntlet of work experience, from 4 years to none.

So far as I can tell, the idea that a country's "second-best" applicant will necessarily be bumped in favour of another country's "first-best" applicant is most likely a hallucination brought about by writing too many internet forum posts.

Moderation in all things, people.

Exception is----- your work ex. for top law schools in USA if you do not have LSAC top grade with top class rank (top 15 %)..

Some of the information and numbers being thrown around in this thread shouldn't be taken as holy writ.

I can only speak for Oxford, and about Canadians, but this idea that your class rank needs to be tied to the "rank" of your school isn't anything I've observed. There are at least 6 Canadians in the BCL this year, and we're all from different schools, spanning the (largely imaginary) range of Canadian institutions. We're not all gold medalists, and I don't think there's a publication between us. We ran a relatively narrow gauntlet of work experience, from 4 years to none.

So far as I can tell, the idea that a country's "second-best" applicant will necessarily be bumped in favour of another country's "first-best" applicant is most likely a hallucination brought about by writing too many internet forum posts.

Moderation in all things, people.

A lot of bullshit is being thrown around in this thread imo.

Bottomline is this: If you meet the conditions/requirements that they have laid down, you have a chance.

HLS/SLS/LSE/CLS/Yale: Work-ex with strong academics.

Oxbridge: First Class with "top 10% of high rank uni/ top5% of 2nd tier/ a first or second position from 3rd tier".

Penn/Northwestern and rest of law schools (among top 15)
- LSAC 'A' grade with 2 year work ex.

frien.. so far i have written in my posts regarding the system existing with and within a country, that how a university choose a student from a country.... i have no where talked about in my post regarding the fight between toppers from different countries and i have specifically said that i will also continue on that topic ( see first page)... so please read it again...however there can be 6 Canadian students in Oxford BCL as you have said... that can be true as 80% population of Canada have European ethnic origin.. like to be or study in EU... and so far Uk is there first choice.... Am i right...?

Jagsmehn: "Bottomline is this... [for] Oxbridge: First Class with top 10% of high rank uni/ top5% of 2nd tier/ a first or second position from 3rd tier".

Bender: "No".

Jagsmehn: "There are too many varying examples to know a set pattern. Apply and see for yourself".

Bender: "I think you just claimed to know a set pattern, and posted as much on the internet, for everyone to see."

Jagsmehn: "Bottomline is this... [for] Oxbridge: First Class with top 10% of high rank uni/ top5% of 2nd tier/ a first or second position from 3rd tier".

Bender: "No".

Jagsmehn: "There are too many varying examples to know a set pattern. Apply and see for yourself".

Bender: "I think you just claimed to know a set pattern, and posted as much on the internet."

No.. we have never claimed that we are the most authentic or true regarding our discussion.... because we are not in the admission committee.. we just opined some facts... we also need your suggestions buddy.. do not take it personal.... so please take a look on it again and put some light...

for NYU- they prefer lawyers ( for grades i cant say, they prefer work ex)

(success rate- 20%, because they have many seats so every applicant apply)

And please it is only my openion... not a universal truth....

haha...

you must use the line as a statutory warning in every post for it may hurt and bend someone's tender feelings

ha ha... true.. as i have witnessed this incident on this post...

Moderation in all things, people.

:) thanks to tel us some valid points as you have made.. i have already discussed your luck factor.. but i was unaware of that "personal connections trump nearly all of the factors discussed in thread" . please put some more light on related topic for the interest of readers so that they may not be misguided...

Some of the information and numbers being thrown around in this thread shouldn't be taken as holy writ.

I can only speak for Oxford, and about Canadians, but this idea that your class rank needs to be tied to the "rank" of your school isn't anything I've observed. There are at least 6 Canadians in the BCL this year, and we're all from different schools, spanning the (largely imaginary) range of Canadian institutions. We're not all gold medalists, and I don't think there's a publication between us. We ran a relatively narrow gauntlet of work experience, from 4 years to none.

So far as I can tell, the idea that a country's "second-best" applicant will necessarily be bumped in favour of another country's "first-best" applicant is most likely a hallucination brought about by writing too many internet forum posts.

Moderation in all things, people.

By far i have no where written like this as said by you in this Board
"the idea that a country's "second-best" applicant will necessarily be bumped in favour of another country's "first-best" applicant is most likely a hallucination brought about by writing too many internet forum posts."

if you know better than share with us as message board is free for all of us to share..... In fact you have not seen my post as i have written many times that what i have said is not a universal truth and anyone can correct it if he know better.... and i have no intention to break the hearts of those who are not in the race... do not take it personal my frien :)

I have also invited some more people to discuss about this topic from different Message Boards.... i hope we may get some good information by than... :)

Here is some evidence to support what i have said...

cambridge says they require among 5-10% in their class.. read para 1 in their website
visit

http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/courses/llm/academic_and_language_requirements.php


harvard law school website states that-

visit harvard at
http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/gradprogram/llm/eligibility/index.html

Admissions Criteria
Admission to the LL.M. Program is highly competitive. Last year approximately 1,500 applicants competed for around 150 places in the LL.M. Program. Most applicants are fully qualified for the program, and the Committee on Graduate Studies must select from among a large number of candidates who have excellent credentials. In evaluating applications, the Committee takes into consideration the applicant's grades and rank in his or her law and other university studies, letters of recommendation, occupational interests, professional and personal accomplishments, and other factors, including the following:

For LL.M. Applicants from Abroad
The Program is designed for intellectually curious and thoughtful candidates who come from a variety of legal systems and backgrounds and who have demonstrated an intent to return to their country to contribute to the academy or legal profession. We are equally interested in applicants pursuing careers in law teaching and research, government service, the judiciary, international organizations, non-governmental organizations and private practice.

For LL.M. Applicants from the United States
The Program is designed for graduates of U.S. law schools who have had at least two or three years of experience beyond law school and who have committed themselves to a career in law teaching. In the admissions process, the Committee focuses primarily on applicants who have excelled in their basic law school studies, who elicit strong letters of recommendation from law school teachers and others familiar with their work, and who have spent at least two years working as a law school teacher, judicial clerk, or practitioner in a public agency or private practice. Evidence of graduate education in a field other than law is also significant. Weight will be given to materials demonstrating the applicant's interest in, commitment to, and capability for a career in law teaching.

visit LSE website

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/studentRecruitment/country/Default.htm

by far i am right..... so this is the universal truth...

visit columbia law school website

"work experience is necessary"

http://www.law.columbia.edu/llm_jsd/llm/standards

Admission Standards

Strong preference is given to applicants who have at least one year of work experience after earning their first law degree. Only in exceptional circumstances are applications from candidates who are in their final year of law school considered. Applicants who have not yet graduated must demonstrate that their admission to the program would enable them to realize an immediate and specific career objective that would not otherwise be attainable.

A. Graduates of Law Schools in the United States
Admission to candidacy for the LL.M. degree is restricted, in the case of graduates of law schools in the U.S., to graduates of A.B.A.-accredited law schools who achieved honor status in their undergraduate legal studies as evidenced by very high academic standing, by membership on their law reviews, or by outstanding work in research. Generally, preference is given to candidates who have acquired at least two years of significant professional legal experience subsequent to graduation.

I need more suggestions on this topic.. may be still i am not right... :)