Oxford, Cambridge, LSE Chances


No, the statement is correct. Note that most people also apply to other good universities such as Harvard, Yale, Oxford and therefore not all people accept their Cambridge offer. This year, around 200 people are taking the LLM here (highest number ever).

It's safe to say that LSE is much easier to get into. Oxford is considerably harder, and Cambridge is known to have the highest entry requirements in the UK.
(Note that I'm just talking about entry requirements, not necessarily the quality of the programme/rankings).

I would generally second that, however this may also in which country you graduated.

Speaking for Germany, Camebridge LL.M. is the hardest to get in. But LSE is considered to be more selective than Oxford. Might be the case because Germans can only apply to the MJur and not the BCL. Camebridge apparently requires a minimum of 11.5, LSE 10.0 and rumor has it that Oxford MJur only requires 9.x.
<blockquote>No, the statement is correct. Note that most people also apply to other good universities such as Harvard, Yale, Oxford and therefore not all people accept their Cambridge offer. This year, around 200 people are taking the LLM here (highest number ever).

It's safe to say that LSE is much easier to get into. Oxford is considerably harder, and Cambridge is known to have the highest entry requirements in the UK.
(Note that I'm just talking about entry requirements, not necessarily the quality of the programme/rankings).</blockquote>
I would generally second that, however this may also in which country you graduated.

Speaking for Germany, Camebridge LL.M. is the hardest to get in. But LSE is considered to be more selective than Oxford. Might be the case because Germans can only apply to the MJur and not the BCL. Camebridge apparently requires a minimum of 11.5, LSE 10.0 and rumor has it that Oxford MJur only requires 9.x.
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But LSE is considered to be more selective than Oxford. Might be the case because Germans can only apply to the MJur and not the BCL.


That's hard to believe. One shouldn't think of the Oxford MJur as "only [...] the MJur". This is a top-notch programme (that derives its specific name from the way the course is taught, namely primarily through face-to-face tutorials).
<blockquote>But LSE is considered to be more selective than Oxford. Might be the case because Germans can only apply to the MJur and not the BCL.</blockquote>

That's hard to believe. One shouldn't think of the Oxford MJur as "only [...] the MJur". This is a top-notch programme (that derives its specific name from the way the course is taught, namely primarily through face-to-face tutorials).
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Dutchman
@ legal artist: Sorry to contradict, but it's just the other way round (I'm German as well). Grades of your state exam:
Cambridge: 11,5
Oxford: 10+
LSE: 9
I know this for a fact since I'm at Cantab, a good friend of mine is at the other place and several people I know went to LSE.

For applicants from other countries: All the rankings I've seen so far state that the entry standards in Cambridge are higher than in Oxford (even if at least some of them rank Oxford higher overall).

Comparing LSE to Oxbridge is similar to comparing NYU to Berkeley/Harvard/Yale. It certainly is an excellent place to do an LL.M. but reputationwise and with regard to entry standards, it's simply not comparable.

PS: Just found this article for everyone who can speak German, proving what I stated with regard to grades.
http://www.azur-online.de/pic/azur_1-2010_LLM.pdf
@ legal artist: Sorry to contradict, but it's just the other way round (I'm German as well). Grades of your state exam:
Cambridge: 11,5
Oxford: 10+
LSE: 9
I know this for a fact since I'm at Cantab, a good friend of mine is at the other place and several people I know went to LSE.

For applicants from other countries: All the rankings I've seen so far state that the entry standards in Cambridge are higher than in Oxford (even if at least some of them rank Oxford higher overall).

Comparing LSE to Oxbridge is similar to comparing NYU to Berkeley/Harvard/Yale. It certainly is an excellent place to do an LL.M. but reputationwise and with regard to entry standards, it's simply not comparable.

PS: Just found this article for everyone who can speak German, proving what I stated with regard to grades.
http://www.azur-online.de/pic/azur_1-2010_LLM.pdf
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@ legal artist: Sorry to contradict, but it's just the other way round (I'm German as well). Grades of your state exam:
Cambridge: 11,5
Oxford: 10+
LSE: 9
I know this for a fact since I'm at Cantab, a good friend of mine is at the other place and several people I know went to LSE.

For applicants from other countries: All the rankings I've seen so far state that the entry standards in Cambridge are higher than in Oxford (even if at least some of them rank Oxford higher overall).

Comparing LSE to Oxbridge is similar to comparing NYU to Berkeley/Harvard/Yale. It certainly is an excellent place to do an LL.M. but reputationwise and with regard to entry standards, it's simply not comparable.

PS: Just found this article for everyone who can speak German, proving what I stated with regard to grades.
http://www.azur-online.de/pic/azur_1-2010_LLM.pdf


I don't want to argue about any fixed entry requirements. I know applicants with Grades between 9 and 10 who received an offer from Oxford and were rejected by LSE.

Sure, Oxford has the better reputation as it is more traditional. However, LSE targets a different folks than Oxford, and vice versa. Rankings do and can not reflect that.
<blockquote>@ legal artist: Sorry to contradict, but it's just the other way round (I'm German as well). Grades of your state exam:
Cambridge: 11,5
Oxford: 10+
LSE: 9
I know this for a fact since I'm at Cantab, a good friend of mine is at the other place and several people I know went to LSE.

For applicants from other countries: All the rankings I've seen so far state that the entry standards in Cambridge are higher than in Oxford (even if at least some of them rank Oxford higher overall).

Comparing LSE to Oxbridge is similar to comparing NYU to Berkeley/Harvard/Yale. It certainly is an excellent place to do an LL.M. but reputationwise and with regard to entry standards, it's simply not comparable.

PS: Just found this article for everyone who can speak German, proving what I stated with regard to grades.
http://www.azur-online.de/pic/azur_1-2010_LLM.pdf</blockquote>

I don't want to argue about any fixed entry requirements. I know applicants with Grades between 9 and 10 who received an offer from Oxford and were rejected by LSE.

Sure, Oxford has the better reputation as it is more traditional. However, LSE targets a different folks than Oxford, and vice versa. Rankings do and can not reflect that.
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girlindia
hey lanny! congrats on the LSE admission. have a few questions to ask. firstly how do they translate the grades you've obtained in Canada to meet their requirements. secondly, were you required to submit some academic writing (apart from your essay) and lastly did you also apply to UCL and Kings? If so why did you choose LSE (assuming you've taken LSE). thanks and good luck!


Hey.... I wanted to know if any of you have submitted a writing sample apart from your sop for application to lse?
<blockquote>hey lanny! congrats on the LSE admission. have a few questions to ask. firstly how do they translate the grades you've obtained in Canada to meet their requirements. secondly, were you required to submit some academic writing (apart from your essay) and lastly did you also apply to UCL and Kings? If so why did you choose LSE (assuming you've taken LSE). thanks and good luck! </blockquote>

Hey.... I wanted to know if any of you have submitted a writing sample apart from your sop for application to lse?
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Mac23
i don't understand why people continue to say that MJur is worse than LLM (Cambridge) or BCL...it's simply a nonsense..i am convinced that BCL and MJur should be considered exactly the same, given that both are offered by oxford with only one difference, that is the background (civil law or common law) of students..
i don't understand why people continue to say that MJur is worse than LLM (Cambridge) or BCL...it's simply a nonsense..i am convinced that BCL and MJur should be considered exactly the same, given that both are offered by oxford with only one difference, that is the background (civil law or common law) of students..
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Dutchman
I don't think most of the posts here wanted to make that statement, at least I was solely refering to entry requirements, not to rankings.
And I certainly suggest that the neverending discussion about Oxbridge rankings should be left outside of this thread, since there's not much further insight to gain from it and since it's not the question that was initially asked here.
I don't think most of the posts here wanted to make that statement, at least I was solely refering to entry requirements, not to rankings.
And I certainly suggest that the neverending discussion about Oxbridge rankings should be left outside of this thread, since there's not much further insight to gain from it and since it's not the question that was initially asked here.
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Hi all, I am an American lawyer holding a JD from a Top 20 school (ranked by USNEWS). I had a GPA of 3.7 (Top 11%) but my undergraduate grades were average (3.0) and went to an average big state university. I have worked for 2 years as a Litigator and I now work for an international known firm which I think is well recognized in England. I was not on a journal but was invited and was on moot court and did trial competitions. Does anyone know what my chances are at Oxford, Cambridge or LSE to get an LLM?? Anyone in the same boat and was accepted? Thanks.


Cobi: I had a GPA of 3.5 (Top 20%) from a top 100 law school and have just been wait listed at LSE. I was also on law review, moot court and published an article. I;ve been working for 2 years. You v. me, I'd say you're more qualified and should get into LSE. Just my opinion though.
<blockquote>Hi all, I am an American lawyer holding a JD from a Top 20 school (ranked by USNEWS). I had a GPA of 3.7 (Top 11%) but my undergraduate grades were average (3.0) and went to an average big state university. I have worked for 2 years as a Litigator and I now work for an international known firm which I think is well recognized in England. I was not on a journal but was invited and was on moot court and did trial competitions. Does anyone know what my chances are at Oxford, Cambridge or LSE to get an LLM?? Anyone in the same boat and was accepted? Thanks.</blockquote>

Cobi: I had a GPA of 3.5 (Top 20%) from a top 100 law school and have just been wait listed at LSE. I was also on law review, moot court and published an article. I;ve been working for 2 years. You v. me, I'd say you're more qualified and should get into LSE. Just my opinion though.
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cmars
In terms of quality of research output by staff, LSE has for many years outranked Oxford and Cambridge. That may or may not be reflected in the LLM teaching.
In terms of quality of research output by staff, LSE has for many years outranked Oxford and Cambridge. That may or may not be reflected in the LLM teaching.
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