Oxford 2023-2024 BCL/MSCs/MJUR/MPHIL/MLF Applicants


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I understand the anger and disappointment but its important to understand that aside from the marks its highly subjective, it is very difficult for us to understand the decisions without having the full application before us to compare and even then we can't be sure. 


That’s what I said, we see them as random because that’s the external observer’s view of a biased and prejudicial system which misrepresents the rules… If the stated rules were the true rules, we wouldn’t have that perception

[quote]I understand the anger and disappointment but its important to understand that aside from the marks its highly subjective, it is very difficult for us to understand the decisions without having the full application before us to compare and even then we can't be sure.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>That’s what I said, we see them as random because that’s the external observer’s view of a biased and prejudicial system which misrepresents the rules… If the stated rules were the true rules, we wouldn’t have that perception
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If this is how you reason, then not only am I not surprised you didn’t get into Oxford. I’m surprised you went to any law school at all


Coming from someone who apparently doesn’t reason at all, I see your comment as a compliment.


*Cough* only one of us couldn’t get into Oxford mate. Stay well :)


Joke’s on you mate, I got into Oxford and Cambridge too. See you on campus this autumn!

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]<div>[quote]Bro, you have no ideia what you’re talking about. I am absolutely certain that I am better qualified than a person who got in *by every possible and imaginable metric*. You have no ideia of the recommendations I got, the glaring difference between our law schools, and many other metrics. I wouldn’t be so pissed if it were a “hard case”, but this situation absolutely isn’t. I am gonna file a request for data and I will absolutely sue these liars.<br></div><div>Their selection has NOTHING to do with academic merit. That’s complete and utter bullsh*t. It’s shameful. I really should sue them for prejudice and bias, because that’s the only explanation for this outrageous decision.[/quote]If we examine a few metrics, you probably are more qualified than me to do the BCL/MJur! For example:<br><br>
</div><br><div>- I failed my LNAT. Like I literally got below the national average for the law admissions test for the UK. That's a terrible omen to one's legal career ambitions if there ever was one</div><br><div>- I flopped my Cambridge undergrad interview and didn't get an offer</div><br><div>- I failed to even meet the A Level requirements for the university I ended up going (they let me in because they softened the requirements lmao)<br>
</div><br><div>- I got a 2:2 in one of my first year modules</div><br><br><div>With your assertions, I should be another one of your case studies for why the admissions system is rigged because there's no way an incompetent bumbling idiot like me could ever get into Oxford.</div><br><br><div>I can understand why you're really upset and quite angry right now. I've been in your situation before and I've been there more than once. If you applied to the MJur programme, you probably have the same dreams and aspirations as all of us – to get into Oxford (and/or Cambridge). And it can be heartbreaking and devastating when we're told we're not good enough to get in.</div><br><br>But it's really unfair for you to diminish the achievements of others because you are in no position to make an unbiased and impartial academic judgment on who is more qualified to get into the MJur programme and who isn't. If you only knew me by the four things I listed in this post, you would think I am grossly unqualified to be an offer holder. But you know, and I know, that those four things aren't the only things that underpin my qualifications and skills. Likewise, you don't know all of the cards that this other person holds.<br><br><br>You go to a better law school? So what? Do you think Oxford admission tutors should start yeeting all applications from ex-poly applicants simply because they can't compare to your superior LMU München, Sorbonne, or Columbia University and so these ex-polys should not even bother?<br><br><br>You got superior recommendations? So what? Not everyone has had an equal opportunity to study at a top university like you and so not everyone will have references from superstars of the legal world. Should all applicants who don't have references from top LSE, National University of Singapore, or Tsinghua professors just give up there and then because they'll never be good enough for Oxford?<br><br><br>I'm not saying you can't feel sad about being rejected. I would be a hypocrite if I said otherwise. But being this toxic isn't going to help you improve your application or academic performance. [/quote]<br><br>I perfectly get your point.<br><br>And they can do that. It’s their Uni, they decide.<br><br>But they just shouldn’t claim to have an admissions sustém based on academic merit if that’s how admissions unfold. If you’re gonna cut some slack for applicants because they didn’t go into top law schools, that’s alright, just not meritocratic.<br><br>What bothers me is the lying. The falsehood about the selection criteria. The lack of intellectual honesty on their website and the whole pretending to be serious and decent act they play. [/quote]<br><br>Oxford is probably the most meritocratic University in the world, still. [/quote]<br><br>That’s definitely not true for law. [/quote]<br><br>If this is how you reason, then not only am I not surprised you didn’t get into Oxford. I’m surprised you went to any law school at all [/quote]<br><br>Coming from someone who apparently doesn’t reason at all, I see your comment as a compliment. [/quote]<br><br>*Cough* only one of us couldn’t get into Oxford mate. Stay well :) [/quote]<br><br>Joke’s on you mate, I got into Oxford and Cambridge too. See you on campus this autumn!
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Bandicoot

Rejected, so Cambridge it is.

The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.

Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise! 

Rejected, so Cambridge it is.<br><br>The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.<br><br>Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise!&nbsp;
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I perfectly get your point.

And they can do that. It’s their Uni, they decide.

But they just shouldn’t claim to have an admissions sustém based on academic merit if that’s how admissions unfold. If you’re gonna cut some slack for applicants because they didn’t go into top law schools, that’s alright, just not meritocratic.

What bothers me is the lying. The falsehood about the selection criteria. The lack of intellectual honesty on their website and the whole pretending to be serious and decent act they play.


I suggest that your view of 'merit' is rather narrow if you define 'merit' as 'going to a top law school'.

I go to Cambridge. I've met Cambridge (and Oxford) students who wouldn't be able to reason their way out of a paper bag even if their life depended on it. Likewise, I've met and interacted with many students from many other universities around the world — some of which I daresay are quite a bit less 'prestigious', if you will — who are amazingly competent and would absolutely put me to shame.

Going to a 'top university' isn't everything, and viewing someone's application more favourably on the basis that they went to a top university (or vice versa, as you propose) sure as hell isn't meritocratic either.


Listen, I don’t wanna go into detail here, but of course it’s not just the law school. There is class rank, recommendations, extracurriculars, and many other factors that I know that all point to same conclusion, and even reinforce it.

[quote][quote]I perfectly get your point.<br><br>And they can do that. It’s their Uni, they decide.<br><br>But they just shouldn’t claim to have an admissions sustém based on academic merit if that’s how admissions unfold. If you’re gonna cut some slack for applicants because they didn’t go into top law schools, that’s alright, just not meritocratic.<br><br>What bothers me is the lying. The falsehood about the selection criteria. The lack of intellectual honesty on their website and the whole pretending to be serious and decent act they play. [/quote]<br><br>I suggest that your view of 'merit' is rather narrow if you define 'merit' as 'going to a top law school'.<br><br>I go to Cambridge. I've met Cambridge (and Oxford) students who wouldn't be able to reason their way out of a paper bag even if their life depended on it. Likewise, I've met and interacted with many students from many other universities around the world — some of which I daresay are quite a bit less 'prestigious', if you will — who are amazingly competent and would absolutely put me to shame.<br><br>Going to a 'top university' isn't everything, and viewing someone's application more favourably on the basis that they went to a top university (or vice versa, as you propose) sure as hell isn't meritocratic either. [/quote]<br><br>Listen, I don’t wanna go into detail here, but of course it’s not just the law school. There is class rank, recommendations, extracurriculars, and many other factors that I know that all point to same conclusion, and even reinforce it.
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Inactive User

Rejected, so Cambridge it is.

The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.

Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise! 


im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day?

[quote]Rejected, so Cambridge it is.<br><br>The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.<br><br>Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise!&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day?
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Bandicoot

Yep, would have been 15.08 UK time. Australian applicant, so I was sleeping.

Rejected, so Cambridge it is.

The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.

Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise! 


im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day?

Yep, would have been 15.08 UK time. Australian applicant, so I was sleeping.<br><br>[quote][quote]Rejected, so Cambridge it is.<br><br>The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.<br><br>Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise!&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day? [/quote]
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Mate, even if we take your purported case at its very highest, your responses and (lack of) reasoning to people here very strongly suggests that the weakest link of your application is your written work...

Have you read that person's submitted writing sample?

I perfectly get your point.

And they can do that. It’s their Uni, they decide.

But they just shouldn’t claim to have an admissions sustém based on academic merit if that’s how admissions unfold. If you’re gonna cut some slack for applicants because they didn’t go into top law schools, that’s alright, just not meritocratic.

What bothers me is the lying. The falsehood about the selection criteria. The lack of intellectual honesty on their website and the whole pretending to be serious and decent act they play.


I suggest that your view of 'merit' is rather narrow if you define 'merit' as 'going to a top law school'.

I go to Cambridge. I've met Cambridge (and Oxford) students who wouldn't be able to reason their way out of a paper bag even if their life depended on it. Likewise, I've met and interacted with many students from many other universities around the world — some of which I daresay are quite a bit less 'prestigious', if you will — who are amazingly competent and would absolutely put me to shame.

Going to a 'top university' isn't everything, and viewing someone's application more favourably on the basis that they went to a top university (or vice versa, as you propose) sure as hell isn't meritocratic either.


Listen, I don’t wanna go into detail here, but of course it’s not just the law school. There is class rank, recommendations, extracurriculars, and many other factors that I know that all point to same conclusion, and even reinforce it.

Mate, even if we take your purported case at its very highest, your responses and (lack of) reasoning to people here very strongly suggests that the weakest link of your application is your written work...<br><br>Have you read that person's submitted writing sample?<br><br>[quote][quote][quote]I perfectly get your point.<br><br>And they can do that. It’s their Uni, they decide.<br><br>But they just shouldn’t claim to have an admissions sustém based on academic merit if that’s how admissions unfold. If you’re gonna cut some slack for applicants because they didn’t go into top law schools, that’s alright, just not meritocratic.<br><br>What bothers me is the lying. The falsehood about the selection criteria. The lack of intellectual honesty on their website and the whole pretending to be serious and decent act they play. [/quote]<br><br>I suggest that your view of 'merit' is rather narrow if you define 'merit' as 'going to a top law school'.<br><br>I go to Cambridge. I've met Cambridge (and Oxford) students who wouldn't be able to reason their way out of a paper bag even if their life depended on it. Likewise, I've met and interacted with many students from many other universities around the world — some of which I daresay are quite a bit less 'prestigious', if you will — who are amazingly competent and would absolutely put me to shame.<br><br>Going to a 'top university' isn't everything, and viewing someone's application more favourably on the basis that they went to a top university (or vice versa, as you propose) sure as hell isn't meritocratic either. [/quote]<br><br>Listen, I don’t wanna go into detail here, but of course it’s not just the law school. There is class rank, recommendations, extracurriculars, and many other factors that I know that all point to same conclusion, and even reinforce it. [/quote]
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RHeulwen

Congratulations to everyone with offers and to everyone who applied!!! Particularly to those from ex-poly universities like myself, it's an amazing achievement. 

My 'magic button' disappeared Wednesday morning and I still haven't heard anything, so I presume a rejection is coming my way.  

[Edited by RHeulwen on Mar 18, 2023]

Congratulations to everyone with offers and to everyone who applied!!! Particularly to those from ex-poly universities like myself, it's an amazing achievement.&nbsp;<br><br>My 'magic button' disappeared Wednesday morning and I still haven't heard anything, so I presume a rejection is coming my way.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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njl

Hi Bandicoot, fellow Australian here, do you happen to know when your button disappeared? Thanks! 

Yep, would have been 15.08 UK time. Australian applicant, so I was sleeping.

Rejected, so Cambridge it is.

The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.

Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise! 


im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day?

Hi Bandicoot, fellow Australian here, do you happen to know when your button disappeared? Thanks!&nbsp;<br><br>[quote]Yep, would have been 15.08 UK time. Australian applicant, so I was sleeping.<br><br>[quote][quote]Rejected, so Cambridge it is.<br><br>The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.<br><br>Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise!&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day? [/quote] [/quote]
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Bandicoot

Tuesday.

Hi Bandicoot, fellow Australian here, do you happen to know when your button disappeared? Thanks! 

Yep, would have been 15.08 UK time. Australian applicant, so I was sleeping.



im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day?

Tuesday.<br><br>[quote]Hi Bandicoot, fellow Australian here, do you happen to know when your button disappeared? Thanks!&nbsp;<br><br>[quote]Yep, would have been 15.08 UK time. Australian applicant, so I was sleeping.<br><br>[quote][quote]Rejected, so Cambridge it is.<br><br>The button theory seems to have held true this year but in reverse - Tuesday/Wednesday rejections, Thursday/Friday acceptances.<br><br>Best wishes to you all, whether successful or otherwise!&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>im sorry to hear this. I’m assuming you got the email earlier in the day? [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
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Andtototoo

I must say that the thing that most disappoints me about this process is the fact that, after extending offers to the “chosen ones,” Admissions sent out a few rejections and then has let the rest of us “dangle.”  As an attorney here in the United States who has been a trial lawyer for over fifteen years, and a member of three Bars, including California (which, with New York and Florida are the three hardest bars to pass in the US) my dignity has been offended.  And, yes, Phi Beta Kappa at Yale.  I wanted to take the BCL in order to make a transition to being a barrister in the UK.  I rather feel that I’ve earned my stripes and it bugs me that I am being “dissed.”  Not a way to treat people, imo.

I must say that the thing that most disappoints me about this process is the fact that, after extending offers to the “chosen ones,” Admissions sent out a few rejections and then has let the rest of us “dangle.” &nbsp;As an attorney here in the United States who has been a trial lawyer for over fifteen years, and a member of three Bars, including California (which, with New York and Florida are the three hardest bars to pass in the US) my dignity has been offended. &nbsp;And, yes, Phi Beta Kappa at Yale. &nbsp;I wanted to take the BCL in order to make a transition to being a barrister in the UK. &nbsp;I rather feel that I’ve earned my stripes and it bugs me that I am being “dissed.” &nbsp;Not a way to treat people, imo.
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Templeman2...

I must say that the thing that most disappoints me about this process is the fact that, after extending offers to the “chosen ones,” Admissions sent out a few rejections and then has let the rest of us “dangle.”  As an attorney here in the United States who has been a trial lawyer for over fifteen years, and a member of three Bars, including California (which, with New York and Florida are the three hardest bars to pass in the US) my dignity has been offended.  And, yes, Phi Beta Kappa at Yale.  I wanted to take the BCL in order to make a transition to being a barrister in the UK.  I rather feel that I’ve earned my stripes and it bugs me that I am being “dissed.”  Not a way to treat people, imo.


not entirely related, but wouldn’t your stream have been the MJUR since you’re from America? 

on a more related note, I think we can’t make any assumptions till maybe today or Monday to see how many get waitlisted and if any more get offers/rejections 

[quote]I must say that the thing that most disappoints me about this process is the fact that, after extending offers to the “chosen ones,” Admissions sent out a few rejections and then has let the rest of us “dangle.” &nbsp;As an attorney here in the United States who has been a trial lawyer for over fifteen years, and a member of three Bars, including California (which, with New York and Florida are the three hardest bars to pass in the US) my dignity has been offended. &nbsp;And, yes, Phi Beta Kappa at Yale. &nbsp;I wanted to take the BCL in order to make a transition to being a barrister in the UK. &nbsp;I rather feel that I’ve earned my stripes and it bugs me that I am being “dissed.” &nbsp;Not a way to treat people, imo. [/quote]<br><br>not entirely related, but wouldn’t your stream have been the MJUR since you’re from America?&nbsp;<br><br>on a more related note, I think we can’t make any assumptions till maybe today or Monday to see how many get waitlisted and if any more get offers/rejections&nbsp;
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Andtototoo

Our law is directly descended from English law.  So, no.

Our law is directly descended from English law. &nbsp;So, no.
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Hi everyone, congrats to everyone who already received their offers and commiserations to all those who have been rejected. I am an MJur applicant still waiting for a decision as well. Is it reasonable to assume this means waitlist as none of these seem to have been reported? Or do you think it will be offers/rejections as well?

Best wishes to everyone 1f917

Hi everyone, congrats to everyone who already received their offers and commiserations to all those who have been rejected.&nbsp;I am an MJur applicant still waiting for a decision as well. Is it reasonable to assume this means waitlist as none of these seem to have been reported? Or do you think it will be offers/rejections as well?<br><br>Best wishes to everyone&nbsp;:hugging-face:
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Templeman2...

Hi everyone, congrats to everyone who already received their offers and commiserations to all those who have been rejected. I am an MJur applicant still waiting for a decision as well. Is it reasonable to assume this means waitlist as none of these seem to have been reported? Or do you think it will be offers/rejections as well?

Best wishes to everyone 1f917


judging from years previous and even the MLF this year, they send out a specific email mentioning if one is in the waiting list. So neither you or myself can know where we exactly stand till we get an email from them 

[quote]Hi everyone, congrats to everyone who already received their offers and commiserations to all those who have been rejected.&nbsp;I am an MJur applicant still waiting for a decision as well. Is it reasonable to assume this means waitlist as none of these seem to have been reported? Or do you think it will be offers/rejections as well?<br><br>Best wishes to everyone&nbsp;:hugging-face: [/quote]<br><br>judging from years previous and even the MLF this year, they send out a specific email mentioning if one is in the waiting list. So neither you or myself can know where we exactly stand till we get an email from them&nbsp;
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Pmoonie

So this question might be a bit out of place for this thread but I don’t know anyone with any experience in this and am hoping someone might know here. Is Ernst & Young a good company for experience and will working here benefit me in any way for any future second chance applications? I am sorry if this is not an appropriate question for this place

So this question might be a bit out of place for this thread but I don’t know anyone with any experience in this and am hoping someone might know here. Is Ernst &amp; Young a good company for experience and will working here benefit me in any way for any future second chance applications? I am sorry if this is not an appropriate question for this place
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Inactive User

Any news today?

Any news today?
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Inactive User

Any predictions for today?

Any predictions for today?
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Rahaar

Any predictions for today?


It's awfully quiet today; not sure if Sunday has stalled the progress

[quote]Any predictions for today? [/quote]<br><br>It's awfully quiet today; not sure if Sunday has stalled the progress
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Inactive User

Any predictions for today?


It's awfully quiet today; not sure if Sunday has stalled the progress


Maybe you're right, but they processed decisions yesterday which was surprising so maybe we should be ready for decisions today!

[quote][quote]Any predictions for today? [/quote]<br><br>It's awfully quiet today; not sure if Sunday has stalled the progress [/quote]<br><br>Maybe you're right, but they processed decisions yesterday which was surprising so maybe we should be ready for decisions today!
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