Cambridge LLM 2015-16


On a similar tangent, has anybody got any thoughts on which of the two (Oxford/Cambridge) is better for the field of international law?


It depends which aspect of international law, though in general Cambridge is miles ahead of BCL in terms of international law (thanks in large part to the lauterpacht centre) - although unfortunately Cambridge has lost professor Crawford to the ICJ


Haha, well I think it's a good sign if you can 'lose' your professors to the ICJ! But yes, I've heard similar what's particularly interesting is listening to podcasts from the LCIL (as they record a lot of the lectures they host it seems).

<blockquote><blockquote>On a similar tangent, has anybody got any thoughts on which of the two (Oxford/Cambridge) is better for the field of international law?</blockquote>

It depends which aspect of international law, though in general Cambridge is miles ahead of BCL in terms of international law (thanks in large part to the lauterpacht centre) - although unfortunately Cambridge has lost professor Crawford to the ICJ </blockquote>

Haha, well I think it's a good sign if you can 'lose' your professors to the ICJ! But yes, I've heard similar – what's particularly interesting is listening to podcasts from the LCIL (as they record a lot of the lectures they host it seems).
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2014llm

http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here


Interesting, thanks! Don't suppose you've found the admission statistics for just the Cambridge LLM (as opposed to all graduate taught programmes in the Law faculty) as well?


According to http://www.llm.law.cam.ac.uk/about-the-cambridge-llm-programme/courses.html

Cambridge LLM by numbers
approximately 1,000 applications
approximately 160-180 students take the LLM each academic year
40-50 countries represented
10-15 average size of small group class


I dont wish to argue this point further but if you look at one of the older threads on Cambridge there is a post which gives one of the older 'Cambridge by numbers' where the number of *offers* is shown as 450+. I think Cambridge has since removed that particular statistic (understandable) from their website, in other words there's a nearly 50% chance of getting an offer and less than half of those BGSed accept eventually.

Personally I rate Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia / Oxford as far superior to Cambridge on most counts except maybe tuition and living expenses.

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here</blockquote>

Interesting, thanks! Don't suppose you've found the admission statistics for just the Cambridge LLM (as opposed to all graduate taught programmes in the Law faculty) as well?</blockquote>

According to http://www.llm.law.cam.ac.uk/about-the-cambridge-llm-programme/courses.html

Cambridge LLM by numbers
approximately 1,000 applications
approximately 160-180 students take the LLM each academic year
40-50 countries represented
10-15 average size of small group class</blockquote>

I dont wish to argue this point further but if you look at one of the older threads on Cambridge there is a post which gives one of the older 'Cambridge by numbers' where the number of *offers* is shown as 450+. I think Cambridge has since removed that particular statistic (understandable) from their website, in other words there's a nearly 50% chance of getting an offer and less than half of those BGSed accept eventually.

Personally I rate Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia / Oxford as far superior to Cambridge on most counts except maybe tuition and living expenses.
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Optimistic...

I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.

I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.
quote

Is it likely that they are going to notify all those who have been BOGS'ed of any possible offers before the 15th, or will we have to wait until after that to find out?

Is it likely that they are going to notify all those who have been BOGS'ed of any possible offers before the 15th, or will we have to wait until after that to find out?
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LLM2015/16

I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.


Totally agree!
The question of which program is better has its merits but it is a subject for a separate thread.

<blockquote>I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.</blockquote>

Totally agree!
The question of which program is better has its merits but it is a subject for a separate thread.
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petitjaune

Is it likely that they are going to notify all those who have been BOGS'ed of any possible offers before the 15th, or will we have to wait until after that to find out?


As I said above, its the weekend now, so nothing will happen until Monday.

<blockquote>Is it likely that they are going to notify all those who have been BOGS'ed of any possible offers before the 15th, or will we have to wait until after that to find out? </blockquote>

As I said above, its the weekend now, so nothing will happen until Monday.
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petitjaune

I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.


Amen.

<blockquote>I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.</blockquote>

Amen.
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Mr SU

I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.


Very wise words! I adopt these as mine!

<blockquote>I personally do not care what some applicant says about Cambridge. I am going to Cambridge and I will turn down any university in the world for Cambridge including Oxford and Harvard. I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. But I guess, this is the order of the day.

Let us all keep the hope alive that we shall meet in Cambridge. Offers are pouring in now.</blockquote>

Very wise words! I adopt these as mine!
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MGrace

Just got my conditional offer!!!!

Got BOGS-ed around early March, and just found out about the conditional offer 5 minutes ago! Am so very excited and best of luck to all :)


Congratulations!!!!! :)


Has anyone heard about Colleges yet? I just found out I was accepted into Jesus College.

Good luck to everyone else still waiting!!


Hi CharlieJames! May I ask you if you have already accepted your offer? It's just to understand if they allocate colleges upon acceptance. Thank you very much!



Hi :)

Yeah, I accepted the offer. My conditions were financial undertaking, visa declaration, upload passport, upload updated academic transcript, and college membership. I did the first three straight way, but all my conditions (except college membership and 'accept offer') are still there - it says it takes a few days for conditions to disappear from CAMSIS.



Thank you very much :)

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Just got my conditional offer!!!!

Got BOGS-ed around early March, and just found out about the conditional offer 5 minutes ago! Am so very excited and best of luck to all :)</blockquote>

Congratulations!!!!! :)


Has anyone heard about Colleges yet? I just found out I was accepted into Jesus College.

Good luck to everyone else still waiting!!</blockquote>

Hi CharlieJames! May I ask you if you have already accepted your offer? It's just to understand if they allocate colleges upon acceptance. Thank you very much!</blockquote>


Hi :)

Yeah, I accepted the offer. My conditions were financial undertaking, visa declaration, upload passport, upload updated academic transcript, and college membership. I did the first three straight way, but all my conditions (except college membership and 'accept offer') are still there - it says it takes a few days for conditions to disappear from CAMSIS.

</blockquote>

Thank you very much :)
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jsd

I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view.


Here is an informed view for you.

In the league of the elite law schools, cambridge is at the bottom on pretty much every known academic parameter.

I spent a summer during my 1/2 year JSD in oxbridge and studied the LLM courses, the trainers and the student demo. In addition to the frequent visits during my undergrad days.

But no need to be ashamed. Cambridge is still a good law school, better than most and appears respectable on a resume.

<blockquote> I have really never understood the rationale behind someone coming onto a Cambridge LLM Forum to tell fellow applicants how going to Cam means you were rejected by Ox or how the Cam LLM is not worth it in instances where no one asked for their opinion and when they have never gone through all the programmes in issue in order to advice from an informed view. </blockquote>

Here is an informed view for you.

In the league of the elite law schools, cambridge is at the bottom on pretty much every known academic parameter.

I spent a summer during my 1/2 year JSD in oxbridge and studied the LLM courses, the trainers and the student demo. In addition to the frequent visits during my undergrad days.

But no need to be ashamed. Cambridge is still a good law school, better than most and appears respectable on a resume.
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petitjaune

This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law

This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law
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johnsdemi

According to the website, we will be notified of decisions by 15 March 2015. So, are we expecting to receive the reply within these two days (weekend) , or Monday morning?

According to the website, we will be notified of decisions by 15 March 2015. So, are we expecting to receive the reply within these two days (weekend) , or Monday morning?
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Dear friends,

Cambridge is as prestigious as Oxford or it would not be paired with Oxford as Oxbridge!

Dear friends,

Cambridge is as prestigious as Oxford or it would not be paired with Oxford as Oxbridge!


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jsd

This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law


The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.

<blockquote>This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law</blockquote>

The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.

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Optimistic...

This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law


The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.



Why are you struggling so hard to convince us that Cambridge is a wrong choice or how it is not worth it or whatever it is? It is our money and our choice so quit trolling because it is not funny anymore. We chose Cambridge for a reason and unless you are paying our tuition and expenses, your views are immaterial.

To the rest of us heading to Cambridge, look forward to seeing you.

<blockquote><blockquote>This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law</blockquote>

The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.

</blockquote>

Why are you struggling so hard to convince us that Cambridge is a wrong choice or how it is not worth it or whatever it is? It is our money and our choice so quit trolling because it is not funny anymore. We chose Cambridge for a reason and unless you are paying our tuition and expenses, your views are immaterial.

To the rest of us heading to Cambridge, look forward to seeing you.
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law01

This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law


The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.



I agree with you on this 100%; rankings are inconsistent; and should be ignored really..
Further to this, even though Cambridge is an amazing University and may even be better than Cambridge in general BUT... as someone who intends to practice law and who has had contact with numerous barristers/solicitors they all told me the same thing, if you want to do a postgrad with the intend to strengthen your CV in order to get a TC/Pupillage then only two courses can do this: the BCL or the Harvard LLM. Hence, even though the Cambridge LLM is an amazing course if you want to go to academia or practice back in your country, it is not as strong compared to BCL or Harvard if you want to practice in the UK.

<blockquote><blockquote>This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law</blockquote>

The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.

</blockquote>

I agree with you on this 100%; rankings are inconsistent; and should be ignored really..
Further to this, even though Cambridge is an amazing University and may even be better than Cambridge in general BUT... as someone who intends to practice law and who has had contact with numerous barristers/solicitors they all told me the same thing, if you want to do a postgrad with the intend to strengthen your CV in order to get a TC/Pupillage then only two courses can do this: the BCL or the Harvard LLM. Hence, even though the Cambridge LLM is an amazing course if you want to go to academia or practice back in your country, it is not as strong compared to BCL or Harvard if you want to practice in the UK.
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LLM2015/16

This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law


The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.



Why are you struggling so hard to convince us that Cambridge is a wrong choice or how it is not worth it or whatever it is? It is our money and our choice so quit trolling because it is not funny anymore. We chose Cambridge for a reason and unless you are paying our tuition and expenses, your views are immaterial.

To the rest of us heading to Cambridge, look forward to seeing you.


I agree with every word!
Come on guys, stop this anti-Cambridge agenda on this thread. Our purpose here is to share information for the sake of those who want to attend Cambridge.
If you want to debate which program is better please open a separate thread because your comments are not helpful here.

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law</blockquote>

The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.

</blockquote>

Why are you struggling so hard to convince us that Cambridge is a wrong choice or how it is not worth it or whatever it is? It is our money and our choice so quit trolling because it is not funny anymore. We chose Cambridge for a reason and unless you are paying our tuition and expenses, your views are immaterial.

To the rest of us heading to Cambridge, look forward to seeing you. </blockquote>

I agree with every word!
Come on guys, stop this anti-Cambridge agenda on this thread. Our purpose here is to share information for the sake of those who want to attend Cambridge.
If you want to debate which program is better please open a separate thread because your comments are not helpful here.
quote
Optimistic...

This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law


The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.



Why are you struggling so hard to convince us that Cambridge is a wrong choice or how it is not worth it or whatever it is? It is our money and our choice so quit trolling because it is not funny anymore. We chose Cambridge for a reason and unless you are paying our tuition and expenses, your views are immaterial.

To the rest of us heading to Cambridge, look forward to seeing you.


I agree with every word!
Come on guys, stop this anti-Cambridge agenda on this thread. Our purpose here is to share information for the sake of those who want to attend Cambridge.
If you want to debate which program is better please open a separate thread because your comments are not helpful here.


Thank you. No one even asked for their advice yet they will not stop. It is simply irritating. We are even diverting the post onto useless arguments.

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>This "informed view' is not supported by league tables here in the UK. See for instance:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law</blockquote>

The rankings you quote are so inconsistent with one another and with themselves that they undermine their usefulness. One puts QMUL at #9 (up from #17!! in 2014, go figure). The other puts QMUL at #3. Similarly Oxford was ranked #4 in 2014, before managing a #2 this year.

Here's one that shows UCL as #1.

http://studyinglaw.co.uk/law-school-rankings-uk/

That's why I never depend on these rankings.

That doesn't mean that a Cantab. degree is worthless. But you get the picture.

</blockquote>

Why are you struggling so hard to convince us that Cambridge is a wrong choice or how it is not worth it or whatever it is? It is our money and our choice so quit trolling because it is not funny anymore. We chose Cambridge for a reason and unless you are paying our tuition and expenses, your views are immaterial.

To the rest of us heading to Cambridge, look forward to seeing you. </blockquote>

I agree with every word!
Come on guys, stop this anti-Cambridge agenda on this thread. Our purpose here is to share information for the sake of those who want to attend Cambridge.
If you want to debate which program is better please open a separate thread because your comments are not helpful here.</blockquote>

Thank you. No one even asked for their advice yet they will not stop. It is simply irritating. We are even diverting the post onto useless arguments.
quote
johnsdemi

Exactly. Back to the topic, any updates for today? My status remains unchanged and have not heard anything yet.

Exactly. Back to the topic, any updates for today? My status remains unchanged and have not heard anything yet.
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LLM2015/16

Exactly. Back to the topic, any updates for today? My status remains unchanged and have not heard anything yet.


Good being back on the topic.

I don't think anything will change during weekend but I am sure that starting on Monday things will begin moving again.
Hold tight and good luck to you and those who are still waiting.

<blockquote>Exactly. Back to the topic, any updates for today? My status remains unchanged and have not heard anything yet. </blockquote>

Good being back on the topic.

I don't think anything will change during weekend but I am sure that starting on Monday things will begin moving again.
Hold tight and good luck to you and those who are still waiting.
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