Cambridge LLM 2015-16


heslawclar
Hi guys! Has anyone, either this year or previously, been rejected yet after a status change to awaiting BoGS decision? I'm paranoid, lmao.


Same here! Getting really worried, it has been 8 days since my BoGS.
<blockquote>Hi guys! Has anyone, either this year or previously, been rejected yet after a status change to awaiting BoGS decision? I'm paranoid, lmao.</blockquote>

Same here! Getting really worried, it has been 8 days since my BoGS.
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petitjaune
I had the same concerns last year, and asked the same question on last year's thread. As far as I am aware, no one on this forum has ever provided a concrete example of anyone not getting an offer after getting BoGS.

In addition, replies this year indicate that Ms Wade herself has said that it is largely a formality. I am of the view that the BoGS will not make an offer only in extreme circumstances - for instance if references/transcripts are forged, or there is some other fundamental issue with an application.

Happy to be corrected if anyone else has more information.
I had the same concerns last year, and asked the same question on last year's thread. As far as I am aware, no one on this forum has ever provided a concrete example of anyone not getting an offer after getting BoGS.

In addition, replies this year indicate that Ms Wade herself has said that it is largely a formality. I am of the view that the BoGS will not make an offer only in extreme circumstances - for instance if references/transcripts are forged, or there is some other fundamental issue with an application.

Happy to be corrected if anyone else has more information.
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silverage
Happy to be corrected if anyone else has more information.


Well, here's to hoping you remain uncorrected, haha!

It is fairly nerve-racking, this process, with the ominous Board of Graduate Studies suddenly in the mix. It seems the offers took a while after the status changed for various people, but on the other hand, Cambridge aims at taking out the decisions by March 15th. So I guess the two-day wait, at the very least, is obligatory for now.
<blockquote>Happy to be corrected if anyone else has more information. </blockquote>

Well, here's to hoping you remain uncorrected, haha!

It is fairly nerve-racking, this process, with the ominous Board of Graduate Studies suddenly in the mix. It seems the offers took a while after the status changed for various people, but on the other hand, Cambridge aims at taking out the decisions by March 15th. So I guess the two-day wait, at the very least, is obligatory for now.
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petitjaune
Happy to be corrected if anyone else has more information.


Well, here's to hoping you remain uncorrected, haha!

It is fairly nerve-racking, this process, with the ominous Board of Graduate Studies suddenly in the mix. It seems the offers took a while after the status changed for various people, but on the other hand, Cambridge aims at taking out the decisions by March 15th. So I guess the two-day wait, at the very least, is obligatory for now.


Yes that is right - though it is now 17:32 on Friday afternoon in Cambridge and I very much doubt anything will change now until Monday!
<blockquote><blockquote>Happy to be corrected if anyone else has more information. </blockquote>

Well, here's to hoping you remain uncorrected, haha!

It is fairly nerve-racking, this process, with the ominous Board of Graduate Studies suddenly in the mix. It seems the offers took a while after the status changed for various people, but on the other hand, Cambridge aims at taking out the decisions by March 15th. So I guess the two-day wait, at the very least, is obligatory for now.</blockquote>

Yes that is right - though it is now 17:32 on Friday afternoon in Cambridge and I very much doubt anything will change now until Monday!
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2014llm
I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though.


What is this supposed to mean...?


This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.
<blockquote><blockquote>I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though. </blockquote>

What is this supposed to mean...?</blockquote>

This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.
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Bubbles_24
Well finally my status has changed to "awaiting decision by the Board of Graduate Studies". I hope I get an offer soon. Best of luck to the ones who are still waiting.
Well finally my status has changed to "awaiting decision by the Board of Graduate Studies". I hope I get an offer soon. Best of luck to the ones who are still waiting.
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I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though.


What is this supposed to mean...?


This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.


I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though. </blockquote>

What is this supposed to mean...?</blockquote>

This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.</blockquote>

I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.
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Bubbles_24
I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though.


What is this supposed to mean...?


This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.


Well in my country the Oxford BCL is considered to be the best taught postgraduate programme for law students maybe because it is tailor made for students from common law countries. But then the Cambridge LLM is also an excellent programme and I know quite a few bright students who were rejected by Cambridge. My first preference is the Oxford BCL but if I get rejected there I would be more than happy to go to Cambridge. And I also think that it's wrong to say that many who come to Cambridge are the ones who have been rejected by Oxford. Someone I know had only applied to Cambridge and eventually went there although his credentials were good enough to have got him an offer from Oxford.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though. </blockquote>

What is this supposed to mean...?</blockquote>

This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.</blockquote>

Well in my country the Oxford BCL is considered to be the best taught postgraduate programme for law students maybe because it is tailor made for students from common law countries. But then the Cambridge LLM is also an excellent programme and I know quite a few bright students who were rejected by Cambridge. My first preference is the Oxford BCL but if I get rejected there I would be more than happy to go to Cambridge. And I also think that it's wrong to say that many who come to Cambridge are the ones who have been rejected by Oxford. Someone I know had only applied to Cambridge and eventually went there although his credentials were good enough to have got him an offer from Oxford.
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Bubbles_24
Actually the Oxford BCL has 90 places available and the MJur 50.

Actually the Oxford BCL has 90 places available and the MJur 50.
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petitjaune
I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though.


What is this supposed to mean...?


This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.


I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.


That is a really interesting statistic. It means that Oxford get 4.1 applications for every BCL acceptance, whereas Cambridge get 4.63 applications for every LLM acceptance.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though. </blockquote>

What is this supposed to mean...?</blockquote>

This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.</blockquote>

I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.</blockquote>

That is a really interesting statistic. It means that Oxford get 4.1 applications for every BCL acceptance, whereas Cambridge get 4.63 applications for every LLM acceptance.
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Bubbles_24
I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though.


What is this supposed to mean...?


This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.


I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.


That is a really interesting statistic. It means that Oxford get 4.1 applications for every BCL acceptance, whereas Cambridge get 4.63 applications for every LLM acceptance.


Oxford accepts a total of 140 candidates (BCL+MJur)
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though. </blockquote>

What is this supposed to mean...?</blockquote>

This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.</blockquote>

I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.</blockquote>

That is a really interesting statistic. It means that Oxford get 4.1 applications for every BCL acceptance, whereas Cambridge get 4.63 applications for every LLM acceptance. </blockquote>

Oxford accepts a total of 140 candidates (BCL+MJur)
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petitjaune
On reflection those statistics must be wrong. There aren't 252 places on the cam LLM, nor are there 281 places on the BCL.

I think those figures must encompass undergrads and/or phds etc
On reflection those statistics must be wrong. There aren't 252 places on the cam LLM, nor are there 281 places on the BCL.

I think those figures must encompass undergrads and/or phds etc
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I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though.


What is this supposed to mean...?


This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.


I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.


That is a really interesting statistic. It means that Oxford get 4.1 applications for every BCL acceptance, whereas Cambridge get 4.63 applications for every LLM acceptance.


Oxford accepts a total of 140 candidates (BCL+MJur)


Yes, the numbers I provided were for the entire Law faculty, for the graduate taught programmes (no number for BCL/MJur/LLM separately unfortunately)
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>I checked my CamSIS today after a week and found the BGS status update. It seems I am in too.

Nothing to be proud of, though. </blockquote>

What is this supposed to mean...?</blockquote>

This is supposed to mean that Cambridge seems to be the UPenn of English law schools where about half of those who apply get an offer. Many who join the course are the ones who don't get into the BCL program.

While I am not unmoved by my Cambridge offer its hardly a cause for celebration. Anyway I'm 99% certain of not taking up this offer, for the benefit of those on the waitlist (yes I know what the website says but there is an informal waitlist - who get notified of an offer quite late).

Good luck with your application.</blockquote>

I'm not sure this is entirely true though? Looking at the most recent admission statistics of Cambridge and Oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/media_wysiwyg/Graduate_Statistics_2012-13%281%29.pdf and http://www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.graduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/graduateadmissions_2013_2014.pdf), the numbers seem to be pretty equal. For Oxford it's 1,151 applications, 403 offers and 281 acceptances; for Cambridge 1,168 applications and 252 acceptances.</blockquote>

That is a really interesting statistic. It means that Oxford get 4.1 applications for every BCL acceptance, whereas Cambridge get 4.63 applications for every LLM acceptance. </blockquote>

Oxford accepts a total of 140 candidates (BCL+MJur)</blockquote>

Yes, the numbers I provided were for the entire Law faculty, for the graduate taught programmes (no number for BCL/MJur/LLM separately unfortunately)
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Bubbles_24
http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here
http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here
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http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here


Interesting, thanks! Don't suppose you've found the admission statistics for just the Cambridge LLM (as opposed to all graduate taught programmes in the Law faculty) as well?
<blockquote>http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here</blockquote>

Interesting, thanks! Don't suppose you've found the admission statistics for just the Cambridge LLM (as opposed to all graduate taught programmes in the Law faculty) as well?
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petitjaune
http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here


Interesting, thanks! Don't suppose you've found the admission statistics for just the Cambridge LLM (as opposed to all graduate taught programmes in the Law faculty) as well?


According to http://www.llm.law.cam.ac.uk/about-the-cambridge-llm-programme/courses.html

Cambridge LLM by numbers
approximately 1,000 applications
approximately 160-180 students take the LLM each academic year
40-50 countries represented
10-15 average size of small group class
<blockquote><blockquote>http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/bachelor-civil-law

It's available here</blockquote>

Interesting, thanks! Don't suppose you've found the admission statistics for just the Cambridge LLM (as opposed to all graduate taught programmes in the Law faculty) as well?</blockquote>

According to http://www.llm.law.cam.ac.uk/about-the-cambridge-llm-programme/courses.html

Cambridge LLM by numbers
approximately 1,000 applications
approximately 160-180 students take the LLM each academic year
40-50 countries represented
10-15 average size of small group class
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On a similar tangent, has anybody got any thoughts on which of the two (Oxford/Cambridge) is better for the field of international law?
On a similar tangent, has anybody got any thoughts on which of the two (Oxford/Cambridge) is better for the field of international law?
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petitjaune
It seems the correct figures for both programs are:

BCL: roughly 503 applicants for about 90 spots (5.59 applicants per spot)
Cam LLM: roughly 1000 applicants for 160-180 spots (5.56-6.25 applicants per spot)

It seems that based on the raw figures, both programmes are equally hard to get into.

No doubt someone will be along shortly to convince us that BCL applicants are of a higher calibre than LLM applicants!
It seems the correct figures for both programs are:

BCL: roughly 503 applicants for about 90 spots (5.59 applicants per spot)
Cam LLM: roughly 1000 applicants for 160-180 spots (5.56-6.25 applicants per spot)

It seems that based on the raw figures, both programmes are equally hard to get into.

No doubt someone will be along shortly to convince us that BCL applicants are of a higher calibre than LLM applicants!
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I've heard Cam, as it has the Lauterpracht Centre...
I've heard Cam, as it has the Lauterpracht Centre...
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petitjaune
On a similar tangent, has anybody got any thoughts on which of the two (Oxford/Cambridge) is better for the field of international law?


It depends which aspect of international law, though in general Cambridge is miles ahead of BCL in terms of international law (thanks in large part to the lauterpacht centre) - although unfortunately Cambridge has lost professor Crawford to the ICJ
<blockquote>On a similar tangent, has anybody got any thoughts on which of the two (Oxford/Cambridge) is better for the field of international law?</blockquote>

It depends which aspect of international law, though in general Cambridge is miles ahead of BCL in terms of international law (thanks in large part to the lauterpacht centre) - although unfortunately Cambridge has lost professor Crawford to the ICJ
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