Hello, everybody,
I need your help.
I am student from Armenia, and I have posed my candidatures for Assas and Sorbonne. In Armenia we have a state program which funds studying in the "top" universities. I really want to study in Assas but I don't know how to prove that Assas has an international reputation. I have found Sorbonne in the ranking of top Universities(e.g. at this site). But nothing about Assas as being prestigious worldwide in the field of law. So, can anybody tell me is there any ranking where Assas is considered as a top university or any other proof? I would be very grateful to you.

Hello, everybody,
I need your help.
I am student from Armenia, and I have posed my candidatures for Assas and Sorbonne. In Armenia we have a state program which funds studying in the "top" universities. I really want to study in Assas but I don't know how to prove that Assas has an international reputation. I have found Sorbonne in the ranking of top Universities(e.g. at this site). But nothing about Assas as being prestigious worldwide in the field of law. So, can anybody tell me is there any ranking where Assas is considered as a top university or any other proof? I would be very grateful to you.

Thank you very much for your response.
You said that there is no official ranking of French law schools. But maybe there is a ranking of law schools worldwide where Assas figures?
This is what I need.
beforehand thanks.

Hi. Unfortunately I cannot do better than that... to my knowledge there is no such international rankings featuring Assas. Sorry...

Hey,

If you ask any french person they will all tell you that Assas is the best law school in France, and mayB even further.
I was searching for some rankings on that, but was unable to find. I always get the impression that the world uni rankings are total B...S...
While the Sorbonne has very high prestige abroad, in France, Sorbonne is not viewed very positively. La Sorbonne is still living on its old prestige it had 100 years ago, nothing else.
That is not known very well abroad, every1 is astonished when they hear u finished the Sorbonne, while, in France it's rly not a big deal, on the contrary, it's bad.
But, having in mind that you have to prove that it is one of the best law schools to your country, mayB you could give a call to the french embassy in ARM, see if they can help you, or even contact Assas and ask for help.
Hope that helps

I absolutely have to agree with the above. As a (foreign) graduate in International and European law at the Sorbonne, the prestige of the school has played a substantial role in my employment opportunities - internationally, Sorbonne is considered to rank up with Oxbridge and the American Ivy League schools. However, in France, the Sorbonne is considered almost a joke, and is viewed as 'resting on its laurels.' Assas is absolutely revered in comparison to the Sorbonne in France, though it's practically unknown internationally.

Thus, if you are planning a career internationally or in your home state I would recommend sticking with the Sorbonne because it is a household name that almost all employers will be impressed with, whereas they will be unlikely to know the actually better school, Assas. However, if you plan to undertake a career in France, then it would be much better to pursue your degree at Assas than at the Sorbonne.

Well I'm a french law student so I knw a little about this; i think the situation is : Assas is probably the best french university for law BUT when I speak with professionnels (french), they don't always have the same opinion, for some it's the Sorbonne, for others it's Assas. What is definitly sure is that both are the best in France : best teachers (there is a high concentration of famous law scholars in both universities), best masters. And another thing, and I'm speaking from a student's point of view, the level is definitly higher than other french universities (it's not that students are more intelligent, but the exam are much more difficult). So to sum up, i think Assas is the best (and for you know i'm a Sorbonne student), but it's more a double first-place ranking than anything.

I am sorry to say that but I have never heard so many bullshit !
It is really easy to see that people who answered that topic are student and no professionnals.
Paris I and II are well considered in France. Just look up in the most famous law firm in France (From US, UK or even french), and it will be obvious that the 2 universities are in France at the same level. I workes in two of the most prestigious law firm in Paris (one UK and one US), and I can say that a huge number of partners and associates studied at Paris I or 2.
And people who said that Paris I is poorly regarded in France are just student from Assas, without any knowledge of the employment market.
Just 2 examples: in international business law, public economics law and comparative law, Paris I is at the forefront. Not to mention in businees law.
Regarding the SMBG ranking, I can say 2 signs (I did a master which was ranking first in finance) and I can tell it's a joke: you have to apply to this ranking to appear (and a lot of professors are not interested, because their program is already recognised by professionnals) and the ranking is made by the students (I know it, SMBG got in touch with me and my classmate for the new ranking).

If you are interested in a specific area of law, just look in the big law firms to know where the lawyers studied, and what they studied. And for having been interviewed by the top law firm in Paris, I can say Paris I is a very good University. And abroad you can't compare Paris I and II.

Both are good.

hello to everyone!
any informations about the reputation of the university of montpellier 1?does anyone has studied there? its masters are considered as difficut or easier than in others universities of france (especially compering with the university of bourdeaux)
thanks in advance!

Hi. I find it really funny to see foreigner talk like that. You discuss like french. (no comment about my english, please.)

I'm a law student in Assas. I'm a really fair person, so trust me. Obviously, Assas is the best law university in France. The level of exam, is really superior than la Sorbonne. And, obviously, la Sorbonne is more famous than Assas abroad.

You know, Lessons in assas are really hard, and teachers are too much strict. That's not the same in la Sorbonne. It's easier. For example, I've a friend who came in la Sorbonne (she was so bad at school), she succeed her first year with a really good grade (13/20), then, she came in Assas. She stopped law 1 years later, because the level was so higher for her.

Assas' reputation is the best. In national test, assas student have the best scores.

The truth is, and no French person will say this among foreigners, is that Assas is conservative and less diverse and Sorbonne is liberal and more diverse.

Assas is seen as attracting fascist students and welcoming a white / reactionary faculty, and Sorbonne is seen as attracting socialist students and welcoming a racially diverse / progressive faculty.

Go ahead, reread the posts above by the French students, you'll detect a clear undertone of racism when they say which school is "superior".

So next time you read which school is "superior", keep in mind that both Assas and Sorbonne share the same building, occupy the same site at the Faculté de Droit. So, it's like two brothers who hate each other, who are envious of each other, and who can't wait to kill off the other, like Cain and Abel.

I think that when assessing reputation it really depends on whose opinion it is that you care about. For example, UCL might be traditionally ranked higher than LSE, so many Brits may prefer to bank on the reputation of UCL instead of LSE. In Canada however, (where I am from) LSE has much broader recognition than UCL (which is rarely even mentioned) so if reputation were the important factor in my choice, it would be wiser to go to LSE.

So to the original poster - if you are Armenian and intend to practice in Armenia and the reputation of schools is important to you, maybe it would be better to get a better understanding of how Armenians themselves view the reputations of the schools instead of focusing on how other individuals across the globe view the situation. As mentioned above, in France, discussions about which school is better just goes in circles and everyone is going to have a different opinion. In my part of the world, Assas does not have the same name-brand recognition of the Sorbonne. See how it is in the circles *you* intend to be frequenting, because that's really the only place the answer is going to matter.

Assas (Paris 2) is the best law school in France.
Sorbonne is good too (and defo catches up at postgrad/masters level) but Assas will open all doors, in France at least.

You say you really want to study in Assas, go you! I'm studying there atm : )
But I don't think it would make a big difference to be in the Sorbonne either.

Assas is considered the best law school in France but it's true that abroad most people would know the Sorbonne best. Its organisation is far better than Sorbonne too, ie the administration is much more available, the website is better, the exams are better organised etc... it really makes a difference especially if you're foreign. They are never onb strike too, contrary to the sorbonne.
BUT be prepared to study quite a lot (even though Erasmus tend to take it easy). Some say that the student life isn't great either.

But the sorbonne isn't bad either. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that even if you don't get into Assas, do go to the Sorbonne, you'll still have a great time : )

The truth is, and no French person will say this among foreigners, is that Assas is conservative and less diverse and Sorbonne is liberal and more diverse.

Assas is seen as attracting fascist students and welcoming a white / reactionary faculty, and Sorbonne is seen as attracting socialist students and welcoming a racially diverse / progressive faculty.

Go ahead, reread the posts above by the French students, you'll detect a clear undertone of racism when they say which school is "superior".

So next time you read which school is "superior", keep in mind that both Assas and Sorbonne share the same building, occupy the same site at the Faculté de Droit. So, it's like two brothers who hate each other, who are envious of each other, and who can't wait to kill off the other, like Cain and Abel.

I think that when assessing reputation it really depends on whose opinion it is that you care about. For example, UCL might be traditionally ranked higher than LSE, so many Brits may prefer to bank on the reputation of UCL instead of LSE. In Canada however, (where I am from) LSE has much broader recognition than UCL (which is rarely even mentioned) so if reputation were the important factor in my choice, it would be wiser to go to LSE.

So to the original poster - if you are Armenian and intend to practice in Armenia and the reputation of schools is important to you, maybe it would be better to get a better understanding of how Armenians themselves view the reputations of the schools instead of focusing on how other individuals across the globe view the situation. As mentioned above, in France, discussions about which school is better just goes in circles and everyone is going to have a different opinion. In my part of the world, Assas does not have the same name-brand recognition of the Sorbonne. See how it is in the circles *you* intend to be frequenting, because that's really the only place the answer is going to matter.

Adrianna75, I'm just going to presume that you quoted my post by accident and that your "that's not totally true" comment has nothing to do with what I wrote above it.
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For the record, I have to agree with Adrianna75 that if you are expecting to work and study in the gorgeous, historic classrooms of the Sorbonne that we see photos of online, in movies, and on television, think again. While the Pantheon campus is gorgeous on the outside and has many beautiful architectural features, including some richly decorated rooms, those are not the classrooms you will study in. The Sorbonne campuses (whether at Tolbiac or Rene Cassin or even the Pantheon) reminded me of an inner city high school. Graffiti everywhere, poorly stocked libraries, uncleanliness, broken desks/chairs, no access to computers, etc. The beautiful rooms of the Sorbonne are reserved for conferences and other events, but certainly not for law students, so don't let that be a factor in your decision.

This is Bullshit. "not serious", "a joke" you really have an inferiority complex.

If you have the choice between Paris 1 and 2 i would choose the sorbonne without any doubt.

Paris 1 :
- quality
- prestige
- the new sorbonne law school ( ecolededroitdelasorbonne.univ-paris1.fr/)
- partnership with other universities

Paris 2 :
- quality and partnership.

But : Paris 2 is not Famous... and they have have an inferiority complex (always saying that they are the best...) It's even written in the website of paris 2... But if you look closer Paris 1 is better. The "agence pour l'évaluation et de la recherche" evalues every year french universities.

This is for paris 1
www.aeres-evaluation.fr/index.php/Etablissements/U

This is for Paris 2 :
www.aeres-evaluation.fr/index.php/Etablissements/U

And every year it is Paris 1 which wins the the "prix de la chancellerie" (best PhD)/ This year 10 for Paris 1 and 2 for Paris... 2.

Paris 2 is very good in communication not paris 1 it is the reason why a lot a people are saying that paris 2 is better. It's a very good university but not the best.

If you want to have a job which is very international : choose Paris 1... If you want to work in France choose Paris 1 or paris 2. The choice is a question of mentality too. Paris 2 is much more conservative than Paris 1 and you can feel it as a student... in the library for example.


I studied 4 years in Paris 1 and 1 year in Paris 2. My heart is in paris 1.

Hier the results :

http://www.ac-paris.fr/portail/upload/docs/application/pdf/2009-01/chancellerie_des_universites_de_paris.pdf

But where is paris 2 ?????

Benou, glad you enjoyed Paris 1.
Instead of linking to scholarships granted by the Sorbonne to students, why don't you link to competitive exam results (agregation) or rankings (SMBG)?