UCLA 2021-2022


I really don't understand them.
They are aware of their position. Whatever I think of that ranking, it matters.
Most of the top schools have a deadline of April 1 for securing a spot.
Given that UCLA does not have big scholarship offers (as far as I know), I don't know how they think they are in the same competition with other private top schools (and most of them already announced their decisions).

And I am saying this because I think UCLA would be a great school for me, but then again, I am not sure if I would gamble with the scholarships I've already received.


I can guess, but I’m not entirely sure what the reasons for the delay are. In any case: yes, they know what they are doing. 

All those US law school rankings are based on the JD curriculum, not the LLM one. And it’s no secret that some T14 schools treat their LLMs as pure cash cows for the JD students (so that they can keep their rankings). I guess those JD  rankings are not all that matters to some LLM students... 

And actually, UCLA’s ranking is quite good. It has consistently ranked among the top 20 US law schools. The difference in academia between UCLA and a lower T14 school is almost insignificant. Despite not being in the T14, UCLA attracts great faculty and great students. I know of some JD students who earned their Bachelor’s degrees from Princeton and Harvard. In my LLM class, I know of 2 classmates who were admitted to Stanford in the application cycle but decided to go to UCLA. Another classmate earned his first degree in law from the University of Cambridge. 

UCLA law grads, both JDs and LLMs, do well afterwards. Most LLMs return to their home countries, and have great career prospects. Only roughly 10% stay in the US afterwards. Some even enroll in the JD program. For the JDs, those who want to go into big law get their big law jobs (in California mostly, and a few on the East Coast), the rest mostly go into public interest (some are very (very) passionate about this). 

So, yeah, they know what they are doing...

[Edited by PiecesCookie on Feb 25, 2021]

[quote]I really don't understand them.<br>They are aware of their position. Whatever I think of that ranking, it matters.<br>Most of the top schools have a deadline of April 1 for securing a spot.<br>Given that UCLA does not have big scholarship offers (as far as I know), I don't know how they think they are in the same competition with other private top schools (and most of them already announced their decisions).<br><br>And I am saying this because I think UCLA would be a great school for me, but then again, I am not sure if I would gamble with the scholarships I've already received. [/quote]<br><br>I can guess, but I’m not entirely sure what the reasons for the delay are. In any case: yes, they know what they are doing.&nbsp;<br><br>All those US law school rankings are based on the JD curriculum, not the LLM one. And it’s no secret that some T14 schools treat their LLMs as pure cash cows for the JD students (so that they can keep their rankings). I guess those JD&nbsp; rankings are not all that matters to some LLM students...&nbsp;<br><br>And actually, UCLA’s ranking is quite good. It has consistently ranked among the top 20 US law schools. The difference in academia between UCLA and a lower T14 school is almost insignificant. Despite not being in the T14, UCLA attracts great faculty and great students. I know of some JD students who earned their Bachelor’s degrees from Princeton and Harvard. In my LLM class, I know of 2 classmates who were admitted to Stanford in the application cycle but decided to go to UCLA. Another classmate earned his first degree in law from the University of Cambridge.&nbsp;<br><br>UCLA law grads, both JDs and LLMs, do well afterwards. Most LLMs return to their home countries, and have great career prospects. Only roughly 10% stay in the US afterwards. Some even enroll in the JD program. For the JDs, those who want to go into big law get their big law jobs (in California mostly, and a few on the East Coast), the&nbsp;rest mostly go into public interest (some are very (very) passionate about this).&nbsp;<br><br>So, yeah, they know what they are doing...
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realxzl

Any news?I remember somebody said the decision would be made in late February.
So anxious...1f627

Any news?I remember somebody said the decision would be made in late February.<br>So anxious...:anguished:<br>
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Niyati

Any news?I remember somebody said the decision would be made in late February.
So anxious...1f627

No news yet ... 2639

[quote]Any news?I remember somebody said the decision would be made in late February.<br>So anxious...:anguished:<br> [/quote]<br>No news yet ...&nbsp;:frowning-face:
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PrincipeAz...

I really don't understand them.
They are aware of their position. Whatever I think of that ranking, it matters.
Most of the top schools have a deadline of April 1 for securing a spot.
Given that UCLA does not have big scholarship offers (as far as I know), I don't know how they think they are in the same competition with other private top schools (and most of them already announced their decisions).

And I am saying this because I think UCLA would be a great school for me, but then again, I am not sure if I would gamble with the scholarships I've already received.


I can guess, but I’m not entirely sure what the reasons for the delay are. In any case: yes, they know what they are doing. 

All those US law school rankings are based on the JD curriculum, not the LLM one. And it’s no secret that some T14 schools treat their LLMs as pure cash cows for the JD students (so that they can keep their rankings). I guess those JD  rankings are not all that matters to some LLM students... 

And actually, UCLA’s ranking is quite good. It has consistently ranked among the top 20 US law schools. The difference in academia between UCLA and a lower T14 school is almost insignificant. Despite not being in the T14, UCLA attracts great faculty and great students. I know of some JD students who earned their Bachelor’s degrees from Princeton and Harvard. In my LLM class, I know of 2 classmates who were admitted to Stanford in the application cycle but decided to go to UCLA. Another classmate earned his first degree in law from the University of Cambridge. 

UCLA law grads, both JDs and LLMs, do well afterwards. Most LLMs return to their home countries, and have great career prospects. Only roughly 10% stay in the US afterwards. Some even enroll in the JD program. For the JDs, those who want to go into big law get their big law jobs (in California mostly, and a few on the East Coast), the rest mostly go into public interest (some are very (very) passionate about this). 

So, yeah, they know what they are doing...


I think you are misunderstanding original authors post.  Sure, UCLA is a great school and you will get a great legal education from them.  I also don’t think you quite understand the ranking issue.  LL.M programs are not ranked.  The rank relies on the strength of the JD program because it is the same professors, institutions, and network.  Therefore, it is completely relevant that UCLA is not a T14.  That distinction is HUGE in employment opportunities in the United States.  However, that doesn’t mean that because your at UCLA you can’t get employed or find an amazing job. (which you seem to be arguing)

Yale, undisputedly the best law school in the United States has made its class decisions.  U Chicago, a top 5 school has made its decisions.  NYU continues to make decisions on a rolling basis.  Many other T14 schools have made their decisions (FOLLOWING WHAT THEY TOLD APPLICANTS WHEN THEY WOULD RENDER DECISIONS).  

UCLA, TOLD APPLICANTS, they would start making decisions on a rolling basis starting the end of January.  That is what the applicants were not only expecting, but counting on.  Now, they are telling some students that it would be by the end of February (this was not said to every student just those at certain “prospective student events” and those that have emailed the office of admissions).  That also seems to not be the case.  If I was not on this forum I would have no idea what is going on at UCLA.  

This is about professionalism.  You don’t get to use the COVID excuse.  We have been in the pandemic for a year now.  The schools very much knew all the admissions would be done remotely; however, UCLA continued to tell applicants that they would make decisions starting the end of January and nothing has happened. 

UCLA is my top choice program even though it is not the highest raked school I have gotten into.  It is because of the specific program it has related to my career field.  But again, it is unprofessional to keep applicants in the dark about when decisions will be made especially when they told applicants decisions would come much sooner.  Again, they have not updated the general application pool.  Select individuals have gotten information from the office of admissions; however, it does not take a lot of effort for UCLA to send out an email updating the applicant pool that decisions are delayed or whatever excuse they want to use. Everyone has to make decisions regarding their school choice and UCLA hiding the ball doesn’t help anyone make that decision.    

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[quote][quote]I really don't understand them.<br>They are aware of their position. Whatever I think of that ranking, it matters.<br>Most of the top schools have a deadline of April 1 for securing a spot.<br>Given that UCLA does not have big scholarship offers (as far as I know), I don't know how they think they are in the same competition with other private top schools (and most of them already announced their decisions).<br><br>And I am saying this because I think UCLA would be a great school for me, but then again, I am not sure if I would gamble with the scholarships I've already received. [/quote]<br><br>I can guess, but I’m not entirely sure what the reasons for the delay are. In any case: yes, they know what they are doing.&nbsp;<br><br>All those US law school rankings are based on the JD curriculum, not the LLM one. And it’s no secret that some T14 schools treat their LLMs as pure cash cows for the JD students (so that they can keep their rankings). I guess those JD&nbsp; rankings are not all that matters to some LLM students...&nbsp;<br><br>And actually, UCLA’s ranking is quite good. It has consistently ranked among the top 20 US law schools. The difference in academia between UCLA and a lower T14 school is almost insignificant. Despite not being in the T14, UCLA attracts great faculty and great students. I know of some JD students who earned their Bachelor’s degrees from Princeton and Harvard. In my LLM class, I know of 2 classmates who were admitted to Stanford in the application cycle but decided to go to UCLA. Another classmate earned his first degree in law from the University of Cambridge.&nbsp;<br><br>UCLA law grads, both JDs and LLMs, do well afterwards. Most LLMs return to their home countries, and have great career prospects. Only roughly 10% stay in the US afterwards. Some even enroll in the JD program. For the JDs, those who want to go into big law get their big law jobs (in California mostly, and a few on the East Coast), the&nbsp;rest mostly go into public interest (some are very (very) passionate about this).&nbsp;<br><br>So, yeah, they know what they are doing... [/quote]<br><br>I think you are misunderstanding original authors post. &nbsp;Sure, UCLA is a great school and you will get a great legal education from them. &nbsp;I also don’t think you quite understand the ranking issue. &nbsp;LL.M programs are not ranked. &nbsp;The rank relies on the strength of the JD program because it is the same professors, institutions, and network. &nbsp;Therefore, it is completely relevant that UCLA is not a T14. &nbsp;That distinction is HUGE in employment opportunities in the United States. &nbsp;However, that doesn’t mean that because your at UCLA you can’t get employed or find an amazing job. (which you seem to be arguing)<br><br>Yale, undisputedly the best law school in the United States has made its class decisions. &nbsp;U Chicago, a top 5 school has made its decisions. &nbsp;NYU continues to make decisions on a rolling basis. &nbsp;Many other T14 schools have made their decisions (FOLLOWING WHAT THEY TOLD APPLICANTS WHEN THEY WOULD RENDER DECISIONS). &nbsp;<br><br>UCLA, TOLD APPLICANTS, they would start making decisions on a rolling basis starting the end of January. &nbsp;That is what the applicants were not only expecting, but counting on. &nbsp;Now, they are telling some students that it would be by the end of February (this was not said to every student just those at certain “prospective student events” and those that have emailed the office of admissions). &nbsp;That also seems to not be the case. &nbsp;If I was not on this forum I would have no idea what is going on at UCLA. &nbsp;<br><br>This is about professionalism. &nbsp;You don’t get to use the COVID excuse. &nbsp;We have been in the pandemic for a year now. &nbsp;The schools very much knew all the admissions would be done remotely; however, UCLA continued to tell applicants that they would make decisions starting the end of January and nothing has happened.&nbsp;<br><br>UCLA is my top choice program even though it is not the highest raked school I have gotten into. &nbsp;It is because of the specific program it has related to my career field. &nbsp;But again, it is unprofessional to keep applicants in the dark about when decisions will be made especially when they told applicants decisions would come much sooner. &nbsp;Again, they have not updated the general application pool. &nbsp;Select individuals have gotten information from the office of admissions; however, it does not take a lot of effort for UCLA to send out an email updating the applicant pool that decisions are delayed or whatever excuse they want to use. Everyone has to make decisions regarding their school choice and UCLA hiding the ball doesn’t help anyone make that decision. &nbsp; &nbsp;
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@PrincipeAzteca - Make no mistake, I understand the frustration. I was an applicant myself not so long ago, so I totally understand how you feel right now. 

I was not making an excuse for the delay, I was responding to "I don't know how they think they are in the same competition with other private top schools" and the constant bashing UCLA receives on LLM Guide. 

Re employment perspective in the US, I get what you are saying (that's what an admission officer at a T10 told me too). But again, I would take the rankings with a grain of salt. Fordham is #27 right now, it has an impressive network and offers great employment perspectives for its LLM graduates.

The schools you mentioned had application deadlines in December, that is not the case for UCLA. I agree with you that they shouldn't have said that they will start releasing the results by the end of January if they could not send some results by that time. I don't think you can completely shrug off the COVID situation for this 2021-2022 application cycle though, considering many 2020-2021 admitted students deferred entry because of COVID. So it's not totally business as usual yet. I think it has an impact on the number of admission/scholarship offers they release (unlike some schools you mentioned, all scholarship offers are sent with the admission letters); they wouldn't be able to use the same parameters they had used the years prior to have the exact number of students they need, and release the offers shortly after the application deadline as they used to. I'm not working for UCLA, so this is just a guess. But I think they were way too ambitious for this unusual cycle if they really intended to release some results by the end of January, and created a lot of confusion by saying they would.

Another reason why they might not be informing you yet is because they also said that offers will be sent on a rolling basis through April, so they have not committed to a release date "strictly speaking". If anything, this is exactly what the NY bar did to applicants last December with the bar results: almost all UBE jurisdictions had released their results in November and early December, except NY... NY kept us in the dark and did not commit to a release date, but no one wanted to have the results just a few days before Christmas!! So everyone was so anxious for weeks until the results finally came out. 

All that being said, I'm sorry you have to wait this long, and wish you all the best in your applications! 

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@PrincipeAzteca - Make no mistake, I understand the frustration. I was an applicant myself not so long ago, so I totally understand how you feel right now.&nbsp;<div><br>
</div><div>I was not making an excuse for the delay, I was responding to "I don't know how they think they are in the same competition with other private top schools" and the constant bashing UCLA receives on LLM Guide.&nbsp;</div><br><br><div>Re employment perspective in the US, I get what you are saying (that's what an admission officer at a T10 told me too). But again, I would take the rankings with a grain of salt. Fordham is #27 right now, it has an impressive network and offers great employment perspectives for its LLM graduates.</div><br><br><div>The schools you mentioned had application deadlines in December, that is not the case for UCLA. I agree with you that they shouldn't have said that they will start releasing the results by the end of January if they could not send some results by that time. I don't think you can completely shrug off the COVID situation for this 2021-2022 application cycle though, considering many 2020-2021 admitted students deferred entry because of COVID. So it's not totally business as usual yet. I think it has an impact on the number of admission/scholarship offers they release (unlike some schools you mentioned, all scholarship offers are sent with the admission letters); they wouldn't be able to use the same parameters they had used the years prior to have the exact number of students they need, and release the offers shortly after the application deadline as they used to. I'm not working for UCLA, so this is just a guess. But I think they were way too ambitious for this unusual cycle if they really intended to release some results by the end of January, and created a lot of confusion by saying they would.</div><br><br><div>Another reason why they might not be informing you yet is because they also said that offers will be sent on a rolling basis through April, so they have not committed to a release date "strictly speaking". If anything, this is exactly what the NY bar did to applicants last December with the bar results: almost all UBE jurisdictions had released their results in November and early December, except NY... NY kept us in the dark and did not commit to a release date, but no one wanted to have the results just a few days before Christmas!! So everyone was so anxious for weeks until the results finally came out.&nbsp;</div><br><br><div>All that being said, I'm sorry you have to wait this long, and wish you all the best in your applications!&nbsp;</div>
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Bry


@PrincipeAztecaThanks for this, so I don't need to clarify once again. The point was exactly that they are unprofessional. 
And while I do think UCLA is a great school they are not in the same basket with the top 10. So that dramatic CIA thriller tone "they know exactly what they are doing..." might apply to Yale or Harvard- they can announce their decisions whenever they want because most of the people will enroll.
Those stories of people picking UCLA over Harvard/Yale/Stanford- probably happened but that's not common. UCLA is not in the same position with the top 5 nor with Duke, Michigan, Northwestern, GT. 

And not academically, but money-wise. There are top 10 schools offering 50k or more and UCLA has the same tuition as a hardcore private school. On the other hand, UCLA does not have many funding options. 

So, why would anyone who got an admission offer and a good financial deal from a T14 choose UCLA instaed? 

Of course, there will be exceptions but generally no way. They are slow, unprofessional.

And still an excellent school lol

 


<div><br></div><div>@PrincipeAzteca</div><div>Thanks for this, so I don't need to clarify once again. The point was exactly that they are unprofessional.&nbsp;</div><br>And while I do think UCLA is a great school they are not in the same basket with the top 10. So that dramatic CIA thriller tone "they know exactly what they are doing..." might apply to Yale or Harvard- they can announce their decisions whenever they want because most of the people will enroll.<br>Those stories of people picking UCLA over Harvard/Yale/Stanford- probably happened but that's not common. UCLA is not in the same position with the top 5 nor with Duke, Michigan, Northwestern, GT.&nbsp;<br><br>And not academically, but money-wise. There are top 10 schools offering 50k or more and UCLA has the same tuition as a hardcore private school. On the other hand, UCLA does not have many funding options.&nbsp;<br><br>So, why would anyone who got an admission offer and a good financial deal from a T14 choose UCLA instaed?&nbsp;<br><br>Of course, there will be exceptions but generally no way. They are slow, unprofessional.<br><br>And still an excellent school lol<br><br>&nbsp;<div>
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There are top 10 schools offering 50k or more (...) why would anyone who got an admission offer and a good financial deal from a T14 choose UCLA instaed?




I'm curious to know how many students you think receive 50k scholarships at T10. And sure, 50k is a lot of money. But if the law school's cost of attendance is around 100-120k, you still have to cover for 50-70k. Not everyone can afford that or to pay sticker.


Up until now, UCLA offered scholarships to a large portion of admitted students so as to attract those students who can't afford to pay sticker for a T14. COA at UCLA is still lower than most T14 schools (around 85k, while T14s start at 90-95k). This is why the people I mentioned earlier chose UCLA over Stanford, they literally could not afford to pay 100k+.


 
So that dramatic CIA thriller tone "they know exactly what they are doing..." might apply to Yale or Harvard- they can announce their decisions whenever they want because most of the people will enroll.


They're going for students who are looking for an affordable LLM program, that has always been their strategy. It's just basic supply and demand; there will still be hundreds of international students looking for a good LLM program at an affordable price, and that is UCLA's niche. Yes, some students get offered big scholarships at T14 but that is not the norm. The vast majority of students there pay close to 100k, while most UCLA students simply don't. Also, for most LLM students who intend to return to their home countries, location is a super important factor. They very well know Los Angeles is a desirable location, it's one of their key marketing point.


Those better-ranked schools also had earlier application deadlines. Granted, UCLA shouldn't have said they would start releasing the results by the end of January when they couldn't. Saying however that they will not be able to retain good candidates shows a misconception of the higher education market for international students.



 
UCLA is not in the same position with the top 5 nor with Duke, Michigan, Northwestern, GT.


Of course Harvard/Yale/Stanford are in a league of their own. And sure, UCLA law school is not in the same position as the other law schools domestically. Internationally, I'm not so sure... See THE ranking https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2021/subject-ranking/law#!/page/0/length/25/locations/US/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats and Shanghai ranking http://www.shanghairanking.com/Shanghairanking-Subject-Rankings/law.html

A T14 school admission officer told me they didn't use to have admitted students choose UCLA instead a few years back, but that this has been a trend lately. Internationally, UCLA has a momentum. It really depends on your financial situation and career objectives. 

[quote]&nbsp;<br><br>There are top 10 schools offering 50k or more (...) why would anyone who got an admission offer and a good financial deal from a T14 choose UCLA instaed?<br><br>[/quote]<br><br><br>I'm curious to know how many students you think receive 50k scholarships at T10. And sure, 50k is a lot of money. But if the law school's cost of attendance is around 100-120k, you still have to cover for 50-70k. Not everyone can afford that or to pay sticker.<br><br><br>Up until now, UCLA offered scholarships to a large portion of admitted students so as to attract those students who can't afford to pay sticker for a T14. COA at UCLA is still lower than most T14 schools (around 85k, while T14s start at 90-95k). This is why the people I mentioned earlier chose UCLA over Stanford, they literally could not afford to pay 100k+.<br><br><br>[quote]&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>So that dramatic CIA thriller tone "they know exactly what they are doing..." might apply to Yale or Harvard- they can announce their decisions whenever they want because most of the people will enroll.</div><div><br></div><div>[/quote]</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>They're going for students who are looking for an affordable LLM program, that has always been their strategy. It's just basic supply and demand; there will still be hundreds of international students looking for a good LLM program at an affordable price, and that is UCLA's niche. Yes, some students get offered big scholarships at T14 but that is not the norm. The vast majority of students there pay close to 100k, while most UCLA students simply don't. Also, for most LLM students who intend to return to their home countries, location is a super important factor. They very well know Los Angeles is a desirable location, it's one of their key marketing point.<br><br><br>Those better-ranked schools also had earlier application deadlines. Granted, UCLA shouldn't have said they would start releasing the results by the end of January when they couldn't. Saying however that they will not be able to retain good candidates shows a misconception of the higher education market for international students.<br><br><br><br>[quote]&nbsp;</div><br><div>UCLA is not in the same position with the top 5 nor with Duke, Michigan, Northwestern, GT.</div><br>[/quote]<br><br><div>Of course Harvard/Yale/Stanford are in a league of their own. And sure, UCLA law school is not in the same position as the other law schools domestically. Internationally, I'm not so sure... See THE ranking https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2021/subject-ranking/law#!/page/0/length/25/locations/US/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats and Shanghai ranking http://www.shanghairanking.com/Shanghairanking-Subject-Rankings/law.html</div><br><br>A T14 school admission officer told me they didn't use to have admitted students choose UCLA instead a few years back, but that this has been a trend lately. Internationally, UCLA has a momentum. It really depends on your financial situation and career objectives.&nbsp;<br>
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Bry

@PiecesCookie


"I'm curious to know how many students you think receive 50k scholarships at T10. And sure, 50k is a lot of money. But if the law school's cost of attendance is around 100-120k, you still have to cover for 50-70k. Not everyone can afford that or to pay sticker."

I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k. And in those WhatsApp groups that the schools organized for us, quite a lot of people got very high scholarships.

But I do talk about people who are admitted to other schools. So that percentage, in general, is certainly lower.

I think you have some miscalculations about costs at UCLA.

UCLA: Tuition: $64,046.
Compare with:
Harvard: $65,875
UPenn:$63,610Berkeley: $66,530
Duke:$66,000
Yale: $65,792
Stanford: $64,350
Chicago: $68,652Virginia:$68,500Michigan:$68,160
I am not sure how you base your "affordability" argument here?
There is a fact that that UCLA estimates costs of attendance at 27k. That's more than 90k.

And that's pretty much the same tuition/CoA as at Duke or Michigan. I am not sure that living in Durham/Ann Arbor and in Los Angeles is the same price.
On the other hand, for example, Northwestern estimates CoA at 30k. That's a bit strange, cause it's hard to argue that living in LA is cheaper than living in Chicago.
Yet, my point here is that I am not sure about the affordability moment.
The reputation of UCLA is not questionable at all. In my field, UCLA is a better school than Stanford for example.Internationally, definitely, saying UCLA (at least in the Western Europe where I live) is bigger than saying Virginia or Cornell.

I am not sure if you understand what I am trying to say.

I am anxious because UCLA is one of my top choices. But if they release their decisions in Mid March (and my deadline with other schools to accept scholarship offer is April 1), they don't leave me with much time to really consider my options and I don't want to gamble 50k.












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@PiecesCookie<div><br>
<br>"I'm curious to know how many students you think receive 50k scholarships at T10. And sure, 50k is a lot of money. But if the law school's cost of attendance is around 100-120k, you still have to cover for 50-70k. Not everyone can afford that or to pay sticker."<br><br>I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k. And in those WhatsApp groups that the schools organized for us, quite a lot of people got very high scholarships.<br><br>But I do talk about people who are admitted to other schools. So that percentage, in general, is certainly lower.<br><br>I think you have some miscalculations about costs at UCLA.<br><br>UCLA: Tuition: $64,046.<br>Compare with:<br>Harvard: $65,875<br>UPenn:$63,610<div>Berkeley: $66,530<br>Duke:$66,000<br>Yale: $65,792<br>Stanford: $64,350<br>Chicago: $68,652<div>Virginia:$68,500</div><div>Michigan:$68,160</div><div><div><br></div><div><div>I am not sure how you base your "affordability" argument here?</div><br>There is a fact that that UCLA estimates costs of attendance at 27k. That's more than 90k.<br><br>And that's pretty much the same tuition/CoA as at Duke or Michigan. I am not sure that living in Durham/Ann Arbor and in Los Angeles is the same price.<br>On the other hand, for example, Northwestern estimates CoA at 30k. That's a bit strange, cause it's hard to argue that living in LA is cheaper than living in Chicago.<br><div>Yet, my point here is that I am not sure about the affordability moment.</div><div><br><div>The reputation of UCLA is not questionable at all. In my field, UCLA is a better school than Stanford for example.</div>Internationally, definitely, saying UCLA (at least in the Western Europe where I live) is bigger than saying Virginia or Cornell.<br><br>I am not sure if you understand what I am trying to say.<br><br>I am anxious because UCLA is one of my top choices. But if they release their decisions in Mid March (and my deadline with other schools to accept scholarship offer is April 1), they don't leave me with much time to really consider my options and I don't want to gamble 50k.<br><br><br><br><br><div><br></div><div><br><br>
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cefcoco

I think something may happen today.

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Yes, I really hope you'll get some results in the coming days! This is the most stressful time, but whatever school you choose (and all the admin stuff are out), you will really enjoy it! :) 


I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k. 




Congrats!!! That's huge! Know that UCLA scholarships are negotiable... to a certain extent. The highest scholarship at UCLA I know of was 33k, so that's half tuition. 

The "cost of attendance" amount is what you need to have on your bank accounts by May/June to begin your visa request. Last year, UCLA's estimated COA was 85k (it was 86.5k the year before), and I was surprised too! But that's all you need on your bank accounts for your i-20 to be processed, and that made quite a difference to me because I didn't receive some funds until late June/early July, and December. I can't guarantee that will be the case again this year. As you've pointed out, they've been raising tuition by a lot over the past few years.


Other LLMs COA
Harvard: $100,416 https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/graduate-program/llm-tuition-and-financial-aid/
UPenn: $98,920 https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/grad/tuition-fees.php
Berkeley: $100,000+ https://www.law.berkeley.edu/academics/llm/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/coa-traditional-and-thesis-tracks/
Duke: $91,789 https://law.duke.edu/apply/tuition/
Northwestern: $101,415 https://chicagofinancialaid.northwestern.edu/tuition/pritzker-school-of-law.html#llm18Yale: $92,098 https://law.yale.edu/admissions/cost-financial-aid/cost-attendance
Stanford: $105,849 https://law.stanford.edu/apply/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/
Chicago: $100,506 https://www.law.uchicago.edu/financialaid/budgetVirginia: $91,156 https://www.law.virginia.edu/graduatestudies/tuition-and-fees-llm-and-sjd
Michigan: $91,560 https://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestudents/graduate/Pages/financialaid.aspx

[Edited by PiecesCookie on Feb 26, 2021]

Yes, I really hope you'll get some results in the coming days!&nbsp;This is the most stressful time, but whatever school you choose (and all the admin stuff are out), you will really enjoy it! :)&nbsp;<br><br>[quote]<div><br>I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k.&nbsp;<br><br>[/quote]<br><br><br>Congrats!!! That's huge! Know that UCLA scholarships are negotiable... to a certain extent. The highest scholarship at UCLA I know of was 33k, so that's half tuition.&nbsp;<br><br>The "cost of attendance" amount is what you need to have on your bank accounts by May/June to begin your visa request. Last year, UCLA's estimated COA was 85k (it was 86.5k the year before), and I was surprised too! But that's all you need on your bank accounts for your i-20 to be processed, and that made quite a difference to me because I didn't receive some funds until late June/early July, and December. I can't guarantee that will be the case again this year. As you've pointed out, they've been raising tuition by a lot over the past few years.<br><br><br>Other LLMs COA</div><br><div>Harvard: $100,416 https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/graduate-program/llm-tuition-and-financial-aid/<br>UPenn: $98,920 https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/grad/tuition-fees.php<br><div>Berkeley: $100,000+ https://www.law.berkeley.edu/academics/llm/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/coa-traditional-and-thesis-tracks/<br>Duke: $91,789 https://law.duke.edu/apply/tuition/<br>Northwestern: $101,415 https://chicagofinancialaid.northwestern.edu/tuition/pritzker-school-of-law.html#llm18</div><div>Yale: $92,098 https://law.yale.edu/admissions/cost-financial-aid/cost-attendance<br>Stanford: $105,849 https://law.stanford.edu/apply/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/<br>Chicago: $100,506 https://www.law.uchicago.edu/financialaid/budget</div><div>Virginia: $91,156 https://www.law.virginia.edu/graduatestudies/tuition-and-fees-llm-and-sjd<br><div>Michigan: $91,560 https://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestudents/graduate/Pages/financialaid.aspx</div></div></div>
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Minion

Yes, I really hope you'll get some results in the coming days! This is the most stressful time, but whatever school you choose (and all the admin stuff are out), you will really enjoy it! :) 


I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k. 




Congrats!!! That's huge! Know that UCLA scholarships are negotiable... to a certain extent. The highest scholarship at UCLA I know of was 33k, so that's half tuition. 

The "cost of attendance" amount is what you need to have on your bank accounts by May/June to begin your visa request. Last year, UCLA's estimated COA was 85k (it was 86.5k the year before), and I was surprised too! But that's all you need on your bank accounts for your i-20 to be processed, and that made quite a difference to me because I didn't receive some funds until late June/early July, and December. I can't guarantee that will be the case again this year. As you've pointed out, they've been raising tuition by a lot over the past few years.


Other LLMs COA
Harvard: $100,416 https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/graduate-program/llm-tuition-and-financial-aid/
UPenn: $98,920 https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/grad/tuition-fees.php
Berkeley: $100,000+ https://www.law.berkeley.edu/academics/llm/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/coa-traditional-and-thesis-tracks/
Duke: $91,789 https://law.duke.edu/apply/tuition/
Northwestern: $101,415 https://chicagofinancialaid.northwestern.edu/tuition/pritzker-school-of-law.html#llm18Yale: $92,098 https://law.yale.edu/admissions/cost-financial-aid/cost-attendance
Stanford: $105,849 https://law.stanford.edu/apply/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/
Chicago: $100,506 https://www.law.uchicago.edu/financialaid/budgetVirginia: $91,156 https://www.law.virginia.edu/graduatestudies/tuition-and-fees-llm-and-sjd
Michigan: $91,560 https://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestudents/graduate/Pages/financialaid.aspx


Wow do you need the full “cost of attendance”-amount on your bank account by May/June? I truly did not know that!!

[quote]Yes, I really hope you'll get some results in the coming days!&nbsp;This is the most stressful time, but whatever school you choose (and all the admin stuff are out), you will really enjoy it! :)&nbsp;<br><br>[quote]<div><br>I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k.&nbsp;<br><br>[/quote]<br><br><br>Congrats!!! That's huge! Know that UCLA scholarships are negotiable... to a certain extent. The highest scholarship at UCLA I know of was 33k, so that's half tuition.&nbsp;<br><br>The "cost of attendance" amount is what you need to have on your bank accounts by May/June to begin your visa request. Last year, UCLA's estimated COA was 85k (it was 86.5k the year before), and I was surprised too! But that's all you need on your bank accounts for your i-20 to be processed, and that made quite a difference to me because I didn't receive some funds until late June/early July, and December. I can't guarantee that will be the case again this year. As you've pointed out, they've been raising tuition by a lot over the past few years.<br><br><br>Other LLMs COA</div><br><div>Harvard: $100,416 https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/graduate-program/llm-tuition-and-financial-aid/<br>UPenn: $98,920 https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/grad/tuition-fees.php<br><div>Berkeley: $100,000+ https://www.law.berkeley.edu/academics/llm/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/coa-traditional-and-thesis-tracks/<br>Duke: $91,789 https://law.duke.edu/apply/tuition/<br>Northwestern: $101,415 https://chicagofinancialaid.northwestern.edu/tuition/pritzker-school-of-law.html#llm18</div><div>Yale: $92,098 https://law.yale.edu/admissions/cost-financial-aid/cost-attendance<br>Stanford: $105,849 https://law.stanford.edu/apply/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/<br>Chicago: $100,506 https://www.law.uchicago.edu/financialaid/budget</div><div>Virginia: $91,156 https://www.law.virginia.edu/graduatestudies/tuition-and-fees-llm-and-sjd<br><div>Michigan: $91,560 https://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestudents/graduate/Pages/financialaid.aspx</div></div></div> [/quote]<br><br>Wow do you need the full “cost of attendance”-amount on your bank account by May/June? I truly did not know that!!
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Bry

Yes, I really hope you'll get some results in the coming days! This is the most stressful time, but whatever school you choose (and all the admin stuff are out), you will really enjoy it! :) 


I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k. 




Congrats!!! That's huge! Know that UCLA scholarships are negotiable... to a certain extent. The highest scholarship at UCLA I know of was 33k, so that's half tuition. 

The "cost of attendance" amount is what you need to have on your bank accounts by May/June to begin your visa request. Last year, UCLA's estimated COA was 85k (it was 86.5k the year before), and I was surprised too! But that's all you need on your bank accounts for your i-20 to be processed, and that made quite a difference to me because I didn't receive some funds until late June/early July, and December. I can't guarantee that will be the case again this year. As you've pointed out, they've been raising tuition by a lot over the past few years.


Other LLMs COA
Harvard: $100,416 https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/graduate-program/llm-tuition-and-financial-aid/
UPenn: $98,920 https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/grad/tuition-fees.php
Berkeley: $100,000+ https://www.law.berkeley.edu/academics/llm/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/coa-traditional-and-thesis-tracks/
Duke: $91,789 https://law.duke.edu/apply/tuition/
Northwestern: $101,415 https://chicagofinancialaid.northwestern.edu/tuition/pritzker-school-of-law.html#llm18Yale: $92,098 https://law.yale.edu/admissions/cost-financial-aid/cost-attendance
Stanford: $105,849 https://law.stanford.edu/apply/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/
Chicago: $100,506 https://www.law.uchicago.edu/financialaid/budgetVirginia: $91,156 https://www.law.virginia.edu/graduatestudies/tuition-and-fees-llm-and-sjd
Michigan: $91,560 https://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestudents/graduate/Pages/financialaid.aspx


Thanks :)

I get your point. Those 100k+, that's like man, are you being serious lol

Definitely important as I won't have some additional governmental scholarship results before the end of June, I guess. So 20k might make a difference. 
The thing is people that are accepted to various schools with nice scholarships are in the biggest danger, cause although they might be the top candidates they need to weigh different factors (most importantly money). 

On the other hand, when the cash cow is turned on, they can just pay 100k and they don't care :) 
I would share my experience here from one of the top 5 US law schools but I know they are reading us hahaha I was there for 2 months but I've seen a cash cow full force lol :)

[quote]Yes, I really hope you'll get some results in the coming days!&nbsp;This is the most stressful time, but whatever school you choose (and all the admin stuff are out), you will really enjoy it! :)&nbsp;<br><br>[quote]<div><br>I got. From 2 schools so far. 50 and 40k.&nbsp;<br><br>[/quote]<br><br><br>Congrats!!! That's huge! Know that UCLA scholarships are negotiable... to a certain extent. The highest scholarship at UCLA I know of was 33k, so that's half tuition.&nbsp;<br><br>The "cost of attendance" amount is what you need to have on your bank accounts by May/June to begin your visa request. Last year, UCLA's estimated COA was 85k (it was 86.5k the year before), and I was surprised too! But that's all you need on your bank accounts for your i-20 to be processed, and that made quite a difference to me because I didn't receive some funds until late June/early July, and December. I can't guarantee that will be the case again this year. As you've pointed out, they've been raising tuition by a lot over the past few years.<br><br><br>Other LLMs COA</div><br><div>Harvard: $100,416 https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/graduate-program/llm-tuition-and-financial-aid/<br>UPenn: $98,920 https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/grad/tuition-fees.php<br><div>Berkeley: $100,000+ https://www.law.berkeley.edu/academics/llm/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/coa-traditional-and-thesis-tracks/<br>Duke: $91,789 https://law.duke.edu/apply/tuition/<br>Northwestern: $101,415 https://chicagofinancialaid.northwestern.edu/tuition/pritzker-school-of-law.html#llm18</div><div>Yale: $92,098 https://law.yale.edu/admissions/cost-financial-aid/cost-attendance<br>Stanford: $105,849 https://law.stanford.edu/apply/tuition-financial-aid/cost-of-attendance/<br>Chicago: $100,506 https://www.law.uchicago.edu/financialaid/budget</div><div>Virginia: $91,156 https://www.law.virginia.edu/graduatestudies/tuition-and-fees-llm-and-sjd<br><div>Michigan: $91,560 https://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestudents/graduate/Pages/financialaid.aspx</div></div></div> [/quote]<br><br>Thanks :)<br><br>I get your point. Those 100k+, that's like man, are you being serious lol<br><br>Definitely important as I won't have some additional governmental scholarship results before the end of June, I guess. So 20k might make a difference.&nbsp;<br>The thing is people that are accepted to various schools with nice scholarships are in the biggest danger, cause although they might be the top candidates they need to weigh different factors (most importantly money).&nbsp;<br><br>On the other hand, when the cash cow is turned on, they can just pay 100k and they don't care :)&nbsp;<br>I would share my experience here from one of the top 5 US law schools but I know they are reading us hahaha I was there for 2 months but I've seen a cash cow full force lol :)
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zicsadi

I think something may happen today.


Nothing happened I guess 1f62a end of the frustrating February 

[quote]I think something may happen today. [/quote]<br><br>Nothing happened I guess&nbsp;:sleepy:&nbsp;end of the frustrating February&nbsp;
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Bry

results are out! 
I am in.

The scholarship email came a few minutes later as well.

[Edited by Bry on Feb 27, 2021]

results are out!&nbsp;<br>I am in.<br><br>The scholarship email came a few minutes later as well.
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Just received my admission email. 

Just received my admission email.&nbsp;
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attyp

Just received my admission email as well! Anyone get a scholarship offer?

Just received my admission email as well! Anyone get a scholarship offer?
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PrincipeAz...

I am in as well guys!

I am in as well guys!
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Bry

Just received my admission email as well! Anyone get a scholarship offer?


Yeah. But in a separate email.

[quote]Just received my admission email as well! Anyone get a scholarship offer? [/quote]<br><br>Yeah. But in a separate email.
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PrincipeAz...

Just received my admission email as well! Anyone get a scholarship offer?


Scholarship offer came about 20 minutes after acceptance.

[quote]Just received my admission email as well! Anyone get a scholarship offer? [/quote]<br><br>Scholarship offer came about 20 minutes after acceptance.
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attyp

Ooops I jumped the gun! I got a scholarship offer as well! Congratulations guys! 

Ooops I jumped the gun! I got a scholarship offer as well! Congratulations guys!&nbsp;
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