NYU vs Duke


anchal

Hi everyone... ive been admiited to NYU and Duke.. i want to pursue LLM in Corporation Laws.. Both the universities are gud in corporation laws...so.. m confused whr to land... kindly give me ur suggestions.

Hi everyone... ive been admiited to NYU and Duke.. i want to pursue LLM in Corporation Laws.. Both the universities are gud in corporation laws...so.. m confused whr to land... kindly give me ur suggestions.
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hybrid

Hi everyone... ive been admiited to NYU and Duke.. i want to pursue LLM in Corporation Laws.. Both the universities are gud in corporation laws...so.. m confused whr to land... kindly give me ur suggestions.

Choose NYU unless you care about money issue.

<blockquote>Hi everyone... ive been admiited to NYU and Duke.. i want to pursue LLM in Corporation Laws.. Both the universities are gud in corporation laws...so.. m confused whr to land... kindly give me ur suggestions. </blockquote>
Choose NYU unless you care about money issue.
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Santa

NYU is a solid choice, but consider Duke if you want a smaller LLM group, warmer weather, friendly people. If these are things that matter to you, go to Duke, which is also a very good school.

NYU is a solid choice, but consider Duke if you want a smaller LLM group, warmer weather, friendly people. If these are things that matter to you, go to Duke, which is also a very good school.
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anchal

NYU is a solid choice, but consider Duke if you want a smaller LLM group, warmer weather, friendly people. If these are things that matter to you, go to Duke, which is also a very good school.


Thanx for ur advice... i will consider it.

<blockquote>NYU is a solid choice, but consider Duke if you want a smaller LLM group, warmer weather, friendly people. If these are things that matter to you, go to Duke, which is also a very good school. </blockquote>

Thanx for ur advice... i will consider it.
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Qjung

so obvous...
must be NYU!!!

so obvous...
must be NYU!!!
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spikesf

I am dealing with the same dilemma and will probably go for Duke because it has a smaller program, courses with JD's and a lot more courses to choose from (however, it is not all corporate law that I am looking).

I am dealing with the same dilemma and will probably go for Duke because it has a smaller program, courses with JD's and a lot more courses to choose from (however, it is not all corporate law that I am looking).

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nicktracy

NYU is better than Duke.... If corporate law is your focus, than there is no dilemma... NYU will be the first choice...

NYU : total fees is $5,000 higher, Far better city experience, Great faculty in corporate .. Job market is better than Duke.... However Duke has good jjob market too.

Duke: Great Campus for those who do LLM for fun, good in International law

NYU is better than Duke.... If corporate law is your focus, than there is no dilemma... NYU will be the first choice...

NYU : total fees is $5,000 higher, Far better city experience, Great faculty in corporate .. Job market is better than Duke.... However Duke has good jjob market too.

Duke: Great Campus for those who do LLM for fun, good in International law
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Devil_Cat

Well, if you don't care about the employment opportunities after your llm degree, go DUKE. If you do care, go NYU. Also, if you are a city boy/girl, just like me, I prefer NYC...

Well, if you don't care about the employment opportunities after your llm degree, go DUKE. If you do care, go NYU. Also, if you are a city boy/girl, just like me, I prefer NYC...
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Oldtimer

To the annoyance of JDs, most LlMs take clases with the JDs at NYU (the "comparative" law program is the only one isolated, but it is the exception rather than the rule). So, that is not a reason for choosing Duke. This doesn't mean, of course, that the other reasons are not good enough to choose Duke over NYU. But it's really up to you.

To the annoyance of JDs, most LlMs take clases with the JDs at NYU (the "comparative" law program is the only one isolated, but it is the exception rather than the rule). So, that is not a reason for choosing Duke. This doesn't mean, of course, that the other reasons are not good enough to choose Duke over NYU. But it's really up to you.
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MAB79

Well, if you don't care about the employment opportunities after your llm degree, go DUKE. If you do care, go NYU. Also, if you are a city boy/girl, just like me, I prefer NYC...


Hmm, at the moment I wouldn't care about the employment opportunities no matter where you are! The job market is very, very bad! So, I guess you should look what dou you really want from your year and where do you wanna go in your future. Then, look, which school matches your interest best. I mean NYU is a great school, but the class sizes are maybe too large for what you are looking for...NYC is one of the greatest cities in the world, but maybe you would like to be in a smaller place, where you find the southern charm rather than the global mixture of people. Last but not least: Can you afford NYC? Do not forget that NYC is way more expensive than North Carolina...even if you need a car there...Duke is a great school with a long tradition as well and therefore, the Duke LL.M. will be an asset as well.

<blockquote>Well, if you don't care about the employment opportunities after your llm degree, go DUKE. If you do care, go NYU. Also, if you are a city boy/girl, just like me, I prefer NYC...</blockquote>

Hmm, at the moment I wouldn't care about the employment opportunities no matter where you are! The job market is very, very bad! So, I guess you should look what dou you really want from your year and where do you wanna go in your future. Then, look, which school matches your interest best. I mean NYU is a great school, but the class sizes are maybe too large for what you are looking for...NYC is one of the greatest cities in the world, but maybe you would like to be in a smaller place, where you find the southern charm rather than the global mixture of people. Last but not least: Can you afford NYC? Do not forget that NYC is way more expensive than North Carolina...even if you need a car there...Duke is a great school with a long tradition as well and therefore, the Duke LL.M. will be an asset as well.
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nicktracy

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nicktracy

I will say there are more reason to choose NYU.

1) Due to New York State Bar exam , you will have to come to New York and i hardly believe that they will teach you New York State laws in Duke. New York State laws are the important part for the Bar exam and BarBri, PMBR gives a NY Bar oriented course, which you may hardly get in Duke.
Again, you will have to come to New York for bar exam and it will be expensive affair.

2) Most of the U.S. law firms have their headoffice in NYC, there will be great chance of networking that Duke can not offer.

3) NYU corporate law program itself hase than more 200 subjects in Corporate law, and additionally you may get chance to study at Stern Business school ; and you may choose any regular MBA courses there. Means out of 450 LLM's only 80 will be in Corporate law LLM program, for 200 subjects, So class size there is hardly 20 student per course including JD's.

4) Faculty in NYU is far better in corporate and i dont feel to argue on this issue.

5) NYC city is way better


Now it is up to you...

2)

I will say there are more reason to choose NYU.

1) Due to New York State Bar exam , you will have to come to New York and i hardly believe that they will teach you New York State laws in Duke. New York State laws are the important part for the Bar exam and BarBri, PMBR gives a NY Bar oriented course, which you may hardly get in Duke.
Again, you will have to come to New York for bar exam and it will be expensive affair.

2) Most of the U.S. law firms have their headoffice in NYC, there will be great chance of networking that Duke can not offer.

3) NYU corporate law program itself hase than more 200 subjects in Corporate law, and additionally you may get chance to study at Stern Business school ; and you may choose any regular MBA courses there. Means out of 450 LLM's only 80 will be in Corporate law LLM program, for 200 subjects, So class size there is hardly 20 student per course including JD's.

4) Faculty in NYU is far better in corporate and i dont feel to argue on this issue.

5) NYC city is way better


Now it is up to you...

2)
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MAB79

I will say there are more reason to choose NYU.

1) Due to New York State Bar exam , you will have to come to New York and i hardly believe that they will teach you New York State laws in Duke. New York State laws are the important part for the Bar exam and BarBri, PMBR gives a NY Bar oriented course, which you may hardly get in Duke.
Again, you will have to come to New York for bar exam and it will be expensive affair.

2) Most of the U.S. law firms have their headoffice in NYC, there will be great chance of networking that Duke can not offer.

3) NYU corporate law program itself hase than more 200 subjects in Corporate law, and additionally you may get chance to study at Stern Business school ; and you may choose any regular MBA courses there. Means out of 450 LLM's only 80 will be in Corporate law LLM program, for 200 subjects, So class size there is hardly 20 student per course including JD's.

4) Faculty in NYU is far better in corporate and i dont feel to argue on this issue.

5) NYC city is way better


Now it is up to you...

2)


As I said...it's up to you...the reasons nicktracy gave are propably what you are looking for. If not, NYU is not necessarily the better choice for you...however, keep in mind: law firms do not hire at the moment!

<blockquote>I will say there are more reason to choose NYU.

1) Due to New York State Bar exam , you will have to come to New York and i hardly believe that they will teach you New York State laws in Duke. New York State laws are the important part for the Bar exam and BarBri, PMBR gives a NY Bar oriented course, which you may hardly get in Duke.
Again, you will have to come to New York for bar exam and it will be expensive affair.

2) Most of the U.S. law firms have their headoffice in NYC, there will be great chance of networking that Duke can not offer.

3) NYU corporate law program itself hase than more 200 subjects in Corporate law, and additionally you may get chance to study at Stern Business school ; and you may choose any regular MBA courses there. Means out of 450 LLM's only 80 will be in Corporate law LLM program, for 200 subjects, So class size there is hardly 20 student per course including JD's.

4) Faculty in NYU is far better in corporate and i dont feel to argue on this issue.

5) NYC city is way better


Now it is up to you...

2) </blockquote>

As I said...it's up to you...the reasons nicktracy gave are propably what you are looking for. If not, NYU is not necessarily the better choice for you...however, keep in mind: law firms do not hire at the moment!
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Gabria

How can you compare NYU with Duke ?

Reason 1) Duke offers you general LLM and they do not have any corporate program, NYU give you a strong Corporate law course. Duke is good in Public international law. If not agree see these links

http://www.law.duke.edu/centersprograms/

http://www.law.nyu.edu/llmjsd/llmnewyork/corporationlaw/index.htm

http://w4.stern.nyu.edu/clb/

http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/sternschoolofbusinesspreferentialcourses/index.htm

http://www.law.nyu.edu/llmjsd/llmnewyork/internationalbusinessregulationlitigationandarbitration/index.htm

2) Nicktracy, how you can say that it is up to the person. May be the fee is the consideration but you may see that there is not much difference. it is just for $ 4000 difference. And nicktracy here made a valid point that we do need to give NY Bar exam in New York so such $ 4000 savings won't count at all.


See http://www.law.duke.edu/admis/tuition

http://www.law.nyu.edu/financialaid/budgetandbudgeting/studentexpensebudget/index.htm

3) In NYU you may choose the 200 subjects in Corporate law i.e. M & A in law School, M & A in Stern Business School, Negotiating M & A , Accounting for M & A, Tax for M & A,... and there are many in NYU.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/sternschoolofbusinesspreferentialcourses/spring2010courses/index.htm
http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/sternschoolofbusinesspreferentialcourses/fall2009courses/index.htm
http://www.law.nyu.edu/llmjsd/llmnewyork/corporationlaw/degreerequirements/index.htm
https://its.law.nyu.edu/cms/public/schedules/index.cfm?fuseaction=Public.Show&Semester=Fall&TermYear=2009&CourseIDRoot=L03.&showall=1
https://its.law.nyu.edu/cms/public/schedules/index.cfm?fuseaction=Public.Show&Semester=Spring&TermYear=2010&CourseIDRoot=L03.&showall=1

4) One can also Study in Columbia from NYU

see http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/columbialawschoolnyuschooloflawexchange/index.htm


5) At Duke the city is dead but NYC is vibrant
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham,_North_Carolina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University

I believe that NYU is way better... as i have never seen anyone rejected NYU over Duke. So it is not up to you, but NYU is a wise choice.

How can you compare NYU with Duke ?

Reason 1) Duke offers you general LLM and they do not have any corporate program, NYU give you a strong Corporate law course. Duke is good in Public international law. If not agree see these links

http://www.law.duke.edu/centersprograms/

http://www.law.nyu.edu/llmjsd/llmnewyork/corporationlaw/index.htm

http://w4.stern.nyu.edu/clb/

http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/sternschoolofbusinesspreferentialcourses/index.htm

http://www.law.nyu.edu/llmjsd/llmnewyork/internationalbusinessregulationlitigationandarbitration/index.htm

2) Nicktracy, how you can say that it is up to the person. May be the fee is the consideration but you may see that there is not much difference. it is just for $ 4000 difference. And nicktracy here made a valid point that we do need to give NY Bar exam in New York so such $ 4000 savings won't count at all.


See http://www.law.duke.edu/admis/tuition

http://www.law.nyu.edu/financialaid/budgetandbudgeting/studentexpensebudget/index.htm

3) In NYU you may choose the 200 subjects in Corporate law i.e. M & A in law School, M & A in Stern Business School, Negotiating M & A , Accounting for M & A, Tax for M & A,... and there are many in NYU.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/sternschoolofbusinesspreferentialcourses/spring2010courses/index.htm
http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/sternschoolofbusinesspreferentialcourses/fall2009courses/index.htm
http://www.law.nyu.edu/llmjsd/llmnewyork/corporationlaw/degreerequirements/index.htm
https://its.law.nyu.edu/cms/public/schedules/index.cfm?fuseaction=Public.Show&Semester=Fall&TermYear=2009&CourseIDRoot=L03.&showall=1
https://its.law.nyu.edu/cms/public/schedules/index.cfm?fuseaction=Public.Show&Semester=Spring&TermYear=2010&CourseIDRoot=L03.&showall=1

4) One can also Study in Columbia from NYU

see http://www.law.nyu.edu/recordsandregistration/crossregistration/columbialawschoolnyuschooloflawexchange/index.htm


5) At Duke the city is dead but NYC is vibrant
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham,_North_Carolina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University

I believe that NYU is way better... as i have never seen anyone rejected NYU over Duke. So it is not up to you, but NYU is a wise choice.
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laiguana

Ok guys, so you know so much about this Universities - especially about job opportunities - so I guess maybe you could resolve another dilemma - Berkeley or Georgetown?
And I'm focusing on work after LLM more than anything.

Going back to the topic - in the place of author I would definitely chose NY - New York is the best place, gives lots of possibilities and maybe it's more expensive but it's really worthy.

Ok guys, so you know so much about this Universities - especially about job opportunities - so I guess maybe you could resolve another dilemma - Berkeley or Georgetown?
And I'm focusing on work after LLM more than anything.

Going back to the topic - in the place of author I would definitely chose NY - New York is the best place, gives lots of possibilities and maybe it's more expensive but it's really worthy.
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MAB79


2) Nicktracy, how you can say that it is up to the person.


With all respect: How can one say that it is not up to every single person???? Am I obliged to study in NYC if I see more advantages and fun anywhere else???? For me, CLS is my choice but still, I know there have been many reason to go to another school...

The reasons you list are good and may help, but still, an individual might see it different and therefore decide otherwise...

And I'm pretty sure that there are many former LL.M. students that rejected NYU and decided to go somewhere else...as a matter of fact, I know someone who decided to go to miami and rejected the offer of NYU...another guy I know rejected NYU and went to UCLA...for many different and legitimate reasons...they just decided that these unis suit better for their purposes...and guess what, they both work in a magic circle law firm in their home country...

and lastly, the CLS argument should not be considered as a good one: "Approximately thirty students from each school will be eligible for this opportunity this academic year. Students are permitted to take one course at the other school during their academic career." --> 30 students from all courses (J.D, LL.M. etc.) and only for ONE class!!

<blockquote>
2) Nicktracy, how you can say that it is up to the person.
</blockquote>

With all respect: How can one say that it is not up to every single person???? Am I obliged to study in NYC if I see more advantages and fun anywhere else???? For me, CLS is my choice but still, I know there have been many reason to go to another school...

The reasons you list are good and may help, but still, an individual might see it different and therefore decide otherwise...

And I'm pretty sure that there are many former LL.M. students that rejected NYU and decided to go somewhere else...as a matter of fact, I know someone who decided to go to miami and rejected the offer of NYU...another guy I know rejected NYU and went to UCLA...for many different and legitimate reasons...they just decided that these unis suit better for their purposes...and guess what, they both work in a magic circle law firm in their home country...

and lastly, the CLS argument should not be considered as a good one: "Approximately thirty students from each school will be eligible for this opportunity this academic year. Students are permitted to take one course at the other school during their academic career." --> 30 students from all courses (J.D, LL.M. etc.) and only for ONE class!!
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Gabria

I do agree with you, but my arguments are specific to LLM Corporate law program. It is not the case for Scholarship grant and your specific requirement to choose between NYU and Duke as requested... There were no any other parameter to decide between Duke and NYU in this discussion... For an example if you want to opt for Tax program, You will opt for NYU, not even for Harvard, unless you get scholarship offers or specific reasons to go at Harvard... similarly, for international legal studies Columbia is best and NYU has 2ed best program. In the same lines, Duke University do not stand even for top 9 specialised program in any field except it got 10th rank for LLM in Intellectual Property Law.. With respect to Corporate law it does not exist even in top 15 as they dont have strong corporate law program. But Duke has overall ranking 10 in U.S. news ranking. On the other hand , NYU is in top 5 in most the programs. So we can not compare Atleast Duke with NYU in Corporate law program unless you have specific reason to have scholarship from Duke... In all terms , NYU is sane decision.

See ; http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools

I do agree with you, but my arguments are specific to LLM Corporate law program. It is not the case for Scholarship grant and your specific requirement to choose between NYU and Duke as requested... There were no any other parameter to decide between Duke and NYU in this discussion... For an example if you want to opt for Tax program, You will opt for NYU, not even for Harvard, unless you get scholarship offers or specific reasons to go at Harvard... similarly, for international legal studies Columbia is best and NYU has 2ed best program. In the same lines, Duke University do not stand even for top 9 specialised program in any field except it got 10th rank for LLM in Intellectual Property Law.. With respect to Corporate law it does not exist even in top 15 as they dont have strong corporate law program. But Duke has overall ranking 10 in U.S. news ranking. On the other hand , NYU is in top 5 in most the programs. So we can not compare Atleast Duke with NYU in Corporate law program unless you have specific reason to have scholarship from Duke... In all terms , NYU is sane decision.

See ; http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools
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Gabria

I had the same problem with $20,000 scholarship grant from Duke and i refused it for NYU and Columbia. However we can not compare these two law school at all... I believe the following links may put some more light on this issue :

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/83217

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/83217/last/#last

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/86728/last/#last

I had the same problem with $20,000 scholarship grant from Duke and i refused it for NYU and Columbia. However we can not compare these two law school at all... I believe the following links may put some more light on this issue :

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/83217

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/83217/last/#last

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/86728/last/#last
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petersta

NYU

NYU
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Gabria

I had one more deciding factor in order to choose NYU over Duke with Scholarship that i believe that Duke's Law and Entrepreneurship LLM Program is new and need a approval from American Bar Association in April. Additionally even after the approval i am not sure that i can fulfill New York State Bar exam requirement after taking this course.

See: In FAQ's at http://www.law.duke.edu/entrellm/faq


Your application indicates that the LLM program is subject to acquiescence by the American Bar Association. What does this mean?

The American Bar Association is an accrediting agency for many law schools including Duke Law. In this role, the ABA requires that when an accredited law school offers a new degree program it informs the ABA so this it can review the proposed program. Unless the ABA objects to the program, it indicates its acquiescence. The relevant ABA committee will consider the LLM program at its meeting in April and we expect to obtain the ABA's acquiescence at that time.

I had one more deciding factor in order to choose NYU over Duke with Scholarship that i believe that Duke's Law and Entrepreneurship LLM Program is new and need a approval from American Bar Association in April. Additionally even after the approval i am not sure that i can fulfill New York State Bar exam requirement after taking this course.

See: In FAQ's at http://www.law.duke.edu/entrellm/faq


Your application indicates that the LLM program is subject to acquiescence by the American Bar Association. What does this mean?

The American Bar Association is an accrediting agency for many law schools including Duke Law. In this role, the ABA requires that when an accredited law school offers a new degree program it informs the ABA so this it can review the proposed program. Unless the ABA objects to the program, it indicates its acquiescence. The relevant ABA committee will consider the LLM program at its meeting in April and we expect to obtain the ABA's acquiescence at that time.
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