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Banking & Securities LLM - BU or UPenn?
Posted Mar 21, 2007 16:25
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Posted Mar 21, 2007 20:56
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Welcome to this thread, yueping clone 2! Strange coincidence to have a first-time poster coming here just to post about Penn Law's rankings!
(Note to new Penn Law readers: There is a history and a context behind the above post, and older forum members know it's not a snipe against Penn Law.)
By the way, someone mentioned money and compromises. As a general statement, I think advice here has consistently held to put money at the very bottom of your considerations. An additional $10 to 20K will not be relevant in the long term, and meaningless if you aim to get a job and get one (unless you really can't get it before your LLM and your school extends no aid).
If you want to pay for a more "prestigious" institution and get its brand name for life (for the many valid reasons discussed, including rankings, unfortunately), you should look at the big picture when thinking about money.
Now this is some warm welcome !
no, I am not yuping 2 or whatever (is that a name or a thinly veiled insult ?) - if I was some other person who already knew this board before, I would certainly have written MUCH before and given the person my opinion sooner, since the deadlines are expiring soon (if they have not already). Notice that the initial message was posted by malda on Feb 23, which was one month ago.
Since apparently we are not allowed to talk about Penn on this board for some reason, I will simply state that "brand name' is important, and you should not only focus on how the institution is perceived in your home country. You are going to a school in the US after all, so what matters is how the school is viewed in the US. And who knows what the future may hold ? You may end up wanting to work either in the US or in some other country, and therefore basing yourself only on the supposed reputation of a school in your country may eventually lead to closing some doors.
Someone mentionned a similar debate - NYU v. Cornell - and to that person I would tell him to read what I just said above. I am not going to bother to pull the ranking numbers of these schools (especially since we are aparently not allowed to post about a school's rankings!) so I suggest you look those out yourself.
<blockquote>Welcome to this thread, yueping clone 2! Strange coincidence to have a first-time poster coming here just to post about Penn Law's rankings!
(Note to new Penn Law readers: There is a history and a context behind the above post, and older forum members know it's not a snipe against Penn Law.)
By the way, someone mentioned money and compromises. As a general statement, I think advice here has consistently held to put money at the very bottom of your considerations. An additional $10 to 20K will not be relevant in the long term, and meaningless if you aim to get a job and get one (unless you really can't get it before your LLM and your school extends no aid).
If you want to pay for a more "prestigious" institution and get its brand name for life (for the many valid reasons discussed, including rankings, unfortunately), you should look at the big picture when thinking about money.</blockquote>
Now this is some warm welcome !
no, I am not yuping 2 or whatever (is that a name or a thinly veiled insult ?) - if I was some other person who already knew this board before, I would certainly have written MUCH before and given the person my opinion sooner, since the deadlines are expiring soon (if they have not already). Notice that the initial message was posted by malda on Feb 23, which was one month ago.
Since apparently we are not allowed to talk about Penn on this board for some reason, I will simply state that "brand name' is important, and you should not only focus on how the institution is perceived in your home country. You are going to a school in the US after all, so what matters is how the school is viewed in the US. And who knows what the future may hold ? You may end up wanting to work either in the US or in some other country, and therefore basing yourself only on the supposed reputation of a school in your country may eventually lead to closing some doors.
Someone mentionned a similar debate - NYU v. Cornell - and to that person I would tell him to read what I just said above. I am not going to bother to pull the ranking numbers of these schools (especially since we are aparently not allowed to post about a school's rankings!) so I suggest you look those out yourself.
(Note to new Penn Law readers: There is a history and a context behind the above post, and older forum members know it's not a snipe against Penn Law.)
By the way, someone mentioned money and compromises. As a general statement, I think advice here has consistently held to put money at the very bottom of your considerations. An additional $10 to 20K will not be relevant in the long term, and meaningless if you aim to get a job and get one (unless you really can't get it before your LLM and your school extends no aid).
If you want to pay for a more "prestigious" institution and get its brand name for life (for the many valid reasons discussed, including rankings, unfortunately), you should look at the big picture when thinking about money.</blockquote>
Now this is some warm welcome !
no, I am not yuping 2 or whatever (is that a name or a thinly veiled insult ?) - if I was some other person who already knew this board before, I would certainly have written MUCH before and given the person my opinion sooner, since the deadlines are expiring soon (if they have not already). Notice that the initial message was posted by malda on Feb 23, which was one month ago.
Since apparently we are not allowed to talk about Penn on this board for some reason, I will simply state that "brand name' is important, and you should not only focus on how the institution is perceived in your home country. You are going to a school in the US after all, so what matters is how the school is viewed in the US. And who knows what the future may hold ? You may end up wanting to work either in the US or in some other country, and therefore basing yourself only on the supposed reputation of a school in your country may eventually lead to closing some doors.
Someone mentionned a similar debate - NYU v. Cornell - and to that person I would tell him to read what I just said above. I am not going to bother to pull the ranking numbers of these schools (especially since we are aparently not allowed to post about a school's rankings!) so I suggest you look those out yourself.
Posted Mar 21, 2007 23:46
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Take nyu any day.
It has one of the highest,if not the highest employability rates for llms in the US (together with Columbia) especially for corporate law firms-lots of money,ignoring the dreary hours.
Do not give up nyu or columbia for anything if you want a corporate law firm/big 4 firm in america.
Take nyu any day.
It has one of the highest,if not the highest employability rates for llms in the US (together with Columbia) especially for corporate law firms-lots of money,ignoring the dreary hours.
Do not give up nyu or columbia for anything if you want a corporate law firm/big 4 firm in america.
It has one of the highest,if not the highest employability rates for llms in the US (together with Columbia) especially for corporate law firms-lots of money,ignoring the dreary hours.
Do not give up nyu or columbia for anything if you want a corporate law firm/big 4 firm in america.
Posted Mar 22, 2007 01:26
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Thanks, Kay.
For NYU, I applied for the Trade Regulation. Do you have any information or insight on NYU's trade regulation program?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks, Kay.
For NYU, I applied for the Trade Regulation. Do you have any information or insight on NYU's trade regulation program?
Thanks in advance.
For NYU, I applied for the Trade Regulation. Do you have any information or insight on NYU's trade regulation program?
Thanks in advance.
Posted Mar 22, 2007 02:26
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Do not give up nyu or columbia for anything if you want a corporate law firm/big 4 firm in america.
Nor HLS for that matter.
<blockquote>Do not give up nyu or columbia for anything if you want a corporate law firm/big 4 firm in america.</blockquote>
Nor HLS for that matter.
Nor HLS for that matter.
Posted Mar 22, 2007 02:28
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Thanks, Ihr. :)
Thanks, Ihr. :)
Posted Mar 22, 2007 03:16
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I am in hls.Its ok,especially international reputation but in america especially the law firms/big 4 hls is not seen as being all that great.many employers think maybe hls is good for constitutional law, legal theory and ssuch courses.nyu and cls are seen as producing better corporate/taxation llm lawyers for some reason.
I dont think the program matters really.to my knowledge,in hls many corporate people in concentrations like tax and international finance are still looking for jobs.with international trade from nyu you will be ok for the newyork job market.many of my nyu and cls mates have good jobs already in ny and washington firms.good luck to you.
I am in hls.Its ok,especially international reputation but in america especially the law firms/big 4 hls is not seen as being all that great.many employers think maybe hls is good for constitutional law, legal theory and ssuch courses.nyu and cls are seen as producing better corporate/taxation llm lawyers for some reason.
I dont think the program matters really.to my knowledge,in hls many corporate people in concentrations like tax and international finance are still looking for jobs.with international trade from nyu you will be ok for the newyork job market.many of my nyu and cls mates have good jobs already in ny and washington firms.good luck to you.
I dont think the program matters really.to my knowledge,in hls many corporate people in concentrations like tax and international finance are still looking for jobs.with international trade from nyu you will be ok for the newyork job market.many of my nyu and cls mates have good jobs already in ny and washington firms.good luck to you.
Posted Mar 22, 2007 04:19
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Thanks Kay. Appreciate your insight. Good luck to you too!
Thanks Kay. Appreciate your insight. Good luck to you too!
Posted Mar 22, 2007 09:12
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I am in hls.Its ok,especially international reputation but in america especially the law firms/big 4 hls is not seen as being all that great.many employers think maybe hls is good for constitutional law, legal theory and ssuch courses.nyu and cls are seen as producing better corporate/taxation llm lawyers for some reason.
Okay, I recall your position from the "Employability" thread, but I can't see how this is possible. HLS not good for corporate law?
Also, my position that no one really looks at "concentrations" aside, you do realize that the combined number of LLMs in the Tax and International Finance concentration is something like 10% of the LLM class? And quite a number of those in the International Finance concentration aren't looking for US jobs, including almost all the older ones with significant experience?
I also think you might want to break down your reasons for, impliedly, placing a very, very high value on being in New York City itself during your job hunt.
Again, we know we have quite the opposite opinion on this, but I would prefer to dissect your broad generalizations.
<blockquote>I am in hls.Its ok,especially international reputation but in america especially the law firms/big 4 hls is not seen as being all that great.many employers think maybe hls is good for constitutional law, legal theory and ssuch courses.nyu and cls are seen as producing better corporate/taxation llm lawyers for some reason.</blockquote>
Okay, I recall your position from the "Employability" thread, but I can't see how this is possible. HLS not good for corporate law?
Also, my position that no one really looks at "concentrations" aside, you do realize that the combined number of LLMs in the Tax and International Finance concentration is something like 10% of the LLM class? And quite a number of those in the International Finance concentration aren't looking for US jobs, including almost all the older ones with significant experience?
I also think you might want to break down your reasons for, impliedly, placing a very, very high value on being in New York City itself during your job hunt.
Again, we know we have quite the opposite opinion on this, but I would prefer to dissect your broad generalizations.
Okay, I recall your position from the "Employability" thread, but I can't see how this is possible. HLS not good for corporate law?
Also, my position that no one really looks at "concentrations" aside, you do realize that the combined number of LLMs in the Tax and International Finance concentration is something like 10% of the LLM class? And quite a number of those in the International Finance concentration aren't looking for US jobs, including almost all the older ones with significant experience?
I also think you might want to break down your reasons for, impliedly, placing a very, very high value on being in New York City itself during your job hunt.
Again, we know we have quite the opposite opinion on this, but I would prefer to dissect your broad generalizations.
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