Cambridge LL.M. 2014 - 2015 Applicants


there's a lot of hating on this page

there's a lot of hating on this page
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law01

haha, i hate no-one...i just don't like people giving out wrong information, and whatever i say has a friendly note in it...at least this is my goal! :)

haha, i hate no-one...i just don't like people giving out wrong information, and whatever i say has a friendly note in it...at least this is my goal! :)
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x-man

Thanks for the information! What do you mean with "qualified lawyer"? If advanced degree, which says I'm a lawyer, than yes, however if you mean - attorney, than no. Anyway, if we're going back to the original question - so basically Cambridge is a pretty name with no guarantees I can practice law in a law firm as I will not be a UK barrister (as it concerns the UK), nor it directly guarantees a spot in EU institutions in Brussels, right?

Thanks for the information! What do you mean with "qualified lawyer"? If advanced degree, which says I'm a lawyer, than yes, however if you mean - attorney, than no. Anyway, if we're going back to the original question - so basically Cambridge is a pretty name with no guarantees I can practice law in a law firm as I will not be a UK barrister (as it concerns the UK), nor it directly guarantees a spot in EU institutions in Brussels, right?
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law01

By qualified we mean having the right to practice in your country, therefore not just having a degree. I believe that working in EU institutions would be possible, as Cambridge is one of the best universities in the world... I believe that it is only in the UK that an LLM is considered useless.

By qualified we mean having the right to practice in your country, therefore not just having a degree. I believe that working in EU institutions would be possible, as Cambridge is one of the best universities in the world... I believe that it is only in the UK that an LLM is considered useless.
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Linas

Well, the "unless it is a Harvard LLM or an Oxford BCL" part seems completely arbitrary to me. In fact, so arbitrary so as to call into question the rest of the post. Surely, there are lots of schools, fields of law and employers, and generalizing all of that does not at all seem accurate to me.

x-man: In any event, you should probably be careful about getting career advice on Internet forums.

Well, the "unless it is a Harvard LLM or an Oxford BCL" part seems completely arbitrary to me. In fact, so arbitrary so as to call into question the rest of the post. Surely, there are lots of schools, fields of law and employers, and generalizing all of that does not at all seem accurate to me.

x-man: In any event, you should probably be careful about getting career advice on Internet forums.
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law01

Well, the "unless it is a Harvard LLM or an Oxford BCL" part seems completely arbitrary to me. In fact, so arbitrary so as to call into question the rest of the post. Surely, there are lots of schools, fields of law and employers, and generalizing all of that does not at all seem accurate to me.

x-man: In any event, you should probably be careful about getting career advice on Internet forums.


Linas, from what i understand you don't live in the uk, therefore please don't give your opinion unless you can back it up. I have experience from mini pupillages in several chambers, furthermore i have talked with barristers in several events. An llm adds nothing to your application! The oxford bcl and te harvard llm are considered to be the 2 best post graduate courses and therefore the do count for something as they show that you have high intellectual ability as it is exteemely hard to get accepted! Any other llm adds nothing! And this comes from someone who has a secured pupillage in the UK

<blockquote>Well, the "unless it is a Harvard LLM or an Oxford BCL" part seems completely arbitrary to me. In fact, so arbitrary so as to call into question the rest of the post. Surely, there are lots of schools, fields of law and employers, and generalizing all of that does not at all seem accurate to me.

x-man: In any event, you should probably be careful about getting career advice on Internet forums.</blockquote>

Linas, from what i understand you don't live in the uk, therefore please don't give your opinion unless you can back it up. I have experience from mini pupillages in several chambers, furthermore i have talked with barristers in several events. An llm adds nothing to your application! The oxford bcl and te harvard llm are considered to be the 2 best post graduate courses and therefore the do count for something as they show that you have high intellectual ability as it is exteemely hard to get accepted! Any other llm adds nothing! And this comes from someone who has a secured pupillage in the UK
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Optimistic...

Well, the "unless it is a Harvard LLM or an Oxford BCL" part seems completely arbitrary to me. In fact, so arbitrary so as to call into question the rest of the post. Surely, there are lots of schools, fields of law and employers, and generalizing all of that does not at all seem accurate to me.

x-man: In any event, you should probably be careful about getting career advice on .

Linas, from what i understand you don't live in the uk, therefore please don't give your opinion unless you can back it up. I have experience from mini pupillages in several chambers, furthermore i have talked with barristers in several events. An llm adds nothing to your application! The oxford bcl and te harvard llm are considered to be the 2 best post graduate courses and therefore the do count for something as they show that you have high intellectual ability as it is exteemely hard to get accepted! Any other llm adds nothing! And this comes from someone who has a secured pupillage in the UK



Ok. Someone is clearly trolling. You gave your opinion and she gave hers so let's move on. I hv friends that have done the Cambridge LLM and gone on to get pupillages in some of the best law firms rated by Global Chambers. Your assertion that a Cambridge LLM adds nothing is laughable seeing as you applied for one. Cambridge is Cambridge and btw, it is not hard to get into Harvard. That is a lie. As an intnl student, 6 of my classmates have been admitted there this year with grade points of 2.2. As long as they could show that they could pay the fees. Cambridge rejected them but harvard took them.
Anyway I hope we can get back to other things other than trolling. My two cents.

<blockquote><blockquote>Well, the "unless it is a Harvard LLM or an Oxford BCL" part seems completely arbitrary to me. In fact, so arbitrary so as to call into question the rest of the post. Surely, there are lots of schools, fields of law and employers, and generalizing all of that does not at all seem accurate to me.

x-man: In any event, you should probably be careful about getting career advice on .

Linas, from what i understand you don't live in the uk, therefore please don't give your opinion unless you can back it up. I have experience from mini pupillages in several chambers, furthermore i have talked with barristers in several events. An llm adds nothing to your application! The oxford bcl and te harvard llm are considered to be the 2 best post graduate courses and therefore the do count for something as they show that you have high intellectual ability as it is exteemely hard to get accepted! Any other llm adds nothing! And this comes from someone who has a secured pupillage in the UK</blockquote>


Ok. Someone is clearly trolling. You gave your opinion and she gave hers so let's move on. I hv friends that have done the Cambridge LLM and gone on to get pupillages in some of the best law firms rated by Global Chambers. Your assertion that a Cambridge LLM adds nothing is laughable seeing as you applied for one. Cambridge is Cambridge and btw, it is not hard to get into Harvard. That is a lie. As an intnl student, 6 of my classmates have been admitted there this year with grade points of 2.2. As long as they could show that they could pay the fees. Cambridge rejected them but harvard took them.
Anyway I hope we can get back to other things other than trolling. My two cents.
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Linas

I am a 'he', not a 'she'.

Indeed, the admission rates to the Mjur/BCL and the Cambridge LLM seem to be pretty similar, actually, and there are plenty of examples of people not getting into the Cambridge LLM but getting into the Harvard one on this forum alone if you search well.

In any case, you don't have to have done a lot of research to understand that 'Any other llm adds nothing!' is more than just an overstatement. At the end of the day, all depends on the individual and their circumstances.

I am a 'he', not a 'she'.

Indeed, the admission rates to the Mjur/BCL and the Cambridge LLM seem to be pretty similar, actually, and there are plenty of examples of people not getting into the Cambridge LLM but getting into the Harvard one on this forum alone if you search well.

In any case, you don't have to have done a lot of research to understand that 'Any other llm adds nothing!' is more than just an overstatement. At the end of the day, all depends on the individual and their circumstances.
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Balkys

I'm not British but I've studied law in the UK and I intend to qualify as a lawyer in England.

From the information I've gathered about Oxford's BCL and Cambridge's LLM, I'm afraid the BCL is clearly seen as a better degree in the UK. While they are both fantastic programmes, they are not quite in the same league. It is virtually unheard of, or at the very least rare, for Oxbridge undergraduate law students to follow Cam's LLM, but many Oxbridge law graduates (especially those with an interest in proceeding to the Bar) then go to Oxford for the BCL.

As a matter of fact, the BCL IS more demanding (by its very structure). This doesn't mean that Cambridge's LLM isn't prestigious - I think it's an excellent and highly-regarded programme. To be honest if you intend to practise as a lawyer in your home country, in most cases it won't make the slightest difference as both law schools have stellar international reputations. However, if your aim is to stay in the UK, the BCL would put you in a better position to secure a job. A LLM does NOT qualify you to become a lawyer in the UK, but Oxford's BCL would arguably give you an edge.

If you don't believe me - please ask any knowledgeable UK student, lecturer or practioner and they will pretty much tell you the same thing. A LLM does not really improve your job prospects in the UK legal market unless it proves exceptional intellectual abilities (which the BCL tends to do). I have yet to meet anyone from the UK who would rather attend Cambridge's LLM, if given the choice (financial considerations aside).

Please don't believe that I am in any way bashing Cambridge's LLM: I do think it's an outstanding programme, with exceptional students from outstanding backgrounds. I wouldn't have applied if I thought otherwise. I was lucky enough to get offers from both Cambridge and Oxford: it is extremely likely that I will end up in Cambridge as the BCL is so much more expensive, and my chances of getting enough funding are slim. I will be very happy to go to Cambridge and I intend to benefit from all the LLM has to offer - it doesn't change the fact that the BCL "has the edge" in the UK.

I'm not British but I've studied law in the UK and I intend to qualify as a lawyer in England.

From the information I've gathered about Oxford's BCL and Cambridge's LLM, I'm afraid the BCL is clearly seen as a better degree in the UK. While they are both fantastic programmes, they are not quite in the same league. It is virtually unheard of, or at the very least rare, for Oxbridge undergraduate law students to follow Cam's LLM, but many Oxbridge law graduates (especially those with an interest in proceeding to the Bar) then go to Oxford for the BCL.

As a matter of fact, the BCL IS more demanding (by its very structure). This doesn't mean that Cambridge's LLM isn't prestigious - I think it's an excellent and highly-regarded programme. To be honest if you intend to practise as a lawyer in your home country, in most cases it won't make the slightest difference as both law schools have stellar international reputations. However, if your aim is to stay in the UK, the BCL would put you in a better position to secure a job. A LLM does NOT qualify you to become a lawyer in the UK, but Oxford's BCL would arguably give you an edge.

If you don't believe me - please ask any knowledgeable UK student, lecturer or practioner and they will pretty much tell you the same thing. A LLM does not really improve your job prospects in the UK legal market unless it proves exceptional intellectual abilities (which the BCL tends to do). I have yet to meet anyone from the UK who would rather attend Cambridge's LLM, if given the choice (financial considerations aside).

Please don't believe that I am in any way bashing Cambridge's LLM: I do think it's an outstanding programme, with exceptional students from outstanding backgrounds. I wouldn't have applied if I thought otherwise. I was lucky enough to get offers from both Cambridge and Oxford: it is extremely likely that I will end up in Cambridge as the BCL is so much more expensive, and my chances of getting enough funding are slim. I will be very happy to go to Cambridge and I intend to benefit from all the LLM has to offer - it doesn't change the fact that the BCL "has the edge" in the UK.
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Linas

There is a separate thread on this forum with more comparisons of the two:
http://www.llm-guide.com/board/108698/last

There is a separate thread on this forum with more comparisons of the two:
http://www.llm-guide.com/board/108698/last
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law01

I'm not British but I've studied law in the UK and I intend to qualify as a lawyer in England.

From the information I've gathered about Oxford's BCL and Cambridge's LLM, I'm afraid the BCL is clearly seen as a better degree in the UK. While they are both fantastic programmes, they are not quite in the same league. It is virtually unheard of, or at the very least rare, for Oxbridge undergraduate law students to follow Cam's LLM, but many Oxbridge law graduates (especially those with an interest in proceeding to the Bar) then go to Oxford for the BCL.

As a matter of fact, the BCL IS more demanding (by its very structure). This doesn't mean that Cambridge's LLM isn't prestigious - I think it's an excellent and highly-regarded programme. To be honest if you intend to practise as a lawyer in your home country, in most cases it won't make the slightest difference as both law schools have stellar international reputations. However, if your aim is to stay in the UK, the BCL would put you in a better position to secure a job. A LLM does NOT qualify you to become a lawyer in the UK, but Oxford's BCL would arguably give you an edge.

If you don't believe me - please ask any knowledgeable UK student, lecturer or practioner and they will pretty much tell you the same thing. A LLM does not really improve your job prospects in the UK legal market unless it proves exceptional intellectual abilities (which the BCL tends to do). I have yet to meet anyone from the UK who would rather attend Cambridge's LLM, if given the choice (financial considerations aside).

Please don't believe that I am in any way bashing Cambridge's LLM: I do think it's an outstanding programme, with exceptional students from outstanding backgrounds. I wouldn't have applied if I thought otherwise. I was lucky enough to get offers from both Cambridge and Oxford: it is extremely likely that I will end up in Cambridge as the BCL is so much more expensive, and my chances of getting enough funding are slim. I will be very happy to go to Cambridge and I intend to benefit from all the LLM has to offer - it doesn't change the fact that the BCL "has the edge" in the UK.


Hi, thank you for backing what i said! I agree with you on every point, even though i was called a 'troller' by some because they did not agree with this!

<blockquote>I'm not British but I've studied law in the UK and I intend to qualify as a lawyer in England.

From the information I've gathered about Oxford's BCL and Cambridge's LLM, I'm afraid the BCL is clearly seen as a better degree in the UK. While they are both fantastic programmes, they are not quite in the same league. It is virtually unheard of, or at the very least rare, for Oxbridge undergraduate law students to follow Cam's LLM, but many Oxbridge law graduates (especially those with an interest in proceeding to the Bar) then go to Oxford for the BCL.

As a matter of fact, the BCL IS more demanding (by its very structure). This doesn't mean that Cambridge's LLM isn't prestigious - I think it's an excellent and highly-regarded programme. To be honest if you intend to practise as a lawyer in your home country, in most cases it won't make the slightest difference as both law schools have stellar international reputations. However, if your aim is to stay in the UK, the BCL would put you in a better position to secure a job. A LLM does NOT qualify you to become a lawyer in the UK, but Oxford's BCL would arguably give you an edge.

If you don't believe me - please ask any knowledgeable UK student, lecturer or practioner and they will pretty much tell you the same thing. A LLM does not really improve your job prospects in the UK legal market unless it proves exceptional intellectual abilities (which the BCL tends to do). I have yet to meet anyone from the UK who would rather attend Cambridge's LLM, if given the choice (financial considerations aside).

Please don't believe that I am in any way bashing Cambridge's LLM: I do think it's an outstanding programme, with exceptional students from outstanding backgrounds. I wouldn't have applied if I thought otherwise. I was lucky enough to get offers from both Cambridge and Oxford: it is extremely likely that I will end up in Cambridge as the BCL is so much more expensive, and my chances of getting enough funding are slim. I will be very happy to go to Cambridge and I intend to benefit from all the LLM has to offer - it doesn't change the fact that the BCL "has the edge" in the UK.
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Hi, thank you for backing what i said! I agree with you on every point, even though i was called a 'troller' by some because they did not agree with this!
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greg2006

Hello everybody

It looks as if Trinity College has started determining who to admit from the LLM applicants. I received an acceptance (via Camsis) yesterday. Has anybody else heard from them to this effect? I must say I didn't expect to get in.

Hello everybody

It looks as if Trinity College has started determining who to admit from the LLM applicants. I received an acceptance (via Camsis) yesterday. Has anybody else heard from them to this effect? I must say I didn't expect to get in.
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x-man

"Unsuccessful at Trinity College, seeking College membership"

"Unsuccessful at Trinity College, seeking College membership"
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llmuk14

I have been rejected by both Selwyn and Darwin. Still awaiting consideration. This has been my status for the past 2 weeks or so.

I have been rejected by both Selwyn and Darwin. Still awaiting consideration. This has been my status for the past 2 weeks or so.
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Optimistic...

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pippaw

Hello everybody

It looks as if Trinity College has started determining who to admit from the LLM applicants. I received an acceptance (via Camsis) yesterday. Has anybody else heard from them to this effect? I must say I didn't expect to get in.


i was rejected by them on mon/tues (i think), then rejected by gonville & caius by friday...!

congrats :)

<blockquote>Hello everybody

It looks as if Trinity College has started determining who to admit from the LLM applicants. I received an acceptance (via Camsis) yesterday. Has anybody else heard from them to this effect? I must say I didn't expect to get in.</blockquote>

i was rejected by them on mon/tues (i think), then rejected by gonville & caius by friday...!

congrats :)
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Help
I've received my conditional offer from CAM and I'm a bit confused about the condition. It said that I need to "graduate from your bachelor degree in 2014 with a GPA over 3.75 out of 4.0 in your final year". So I'm wondering whether this means I only need to have my final year GPA over 3.75 or my overall GPA?

Help
I've received my conditional offer from CAM and I'm a bit confused about the condition. It said that I need to "graduate from your bachelor degree in 2014 with a GPA over 3.75 out of 4.0 in your final year". So I'm wondering whether this means I only need to have my final year GPA over 3.75 or my overall GPA?
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llmuk14

Hi, can anyone help out with accommodation in Cambridge. Is there a private student accommodation within walking distance from West Road.

Hi, can anyone help out with accommodation in Cambridge. Is there a private student accommodation within walking distance from West Road.
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Hii All, I have two option, First I can go for Accelerated JD programme in US and later I can be A lawyer in United states. Second pursue LLM from Canadian university and Clear NCA test and I can be lawyer in Canada?

Which one has

1. Better earning
2. Quality of life
3. Easy Job or employment
4 Less expenses

Please revert positively

Kul

Hii All, I have two option, First I can go for Accelerated JD programme in US and later I can be A lawyer in United states. Second pursue LLM from Canadian university and Clear NCA test and I can be lawyer in Canada?

Which one has

1. Better earning
2. Quality of life
3. Easy Job or employment
4 Less expenses

Please revert positively

Kul
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Eppendorf

Hii All, I have two option, First I can go for Accelerated JD programme in US and later I can be A lawyer in United states. Second pursue LLM from Canadian university and Clear NCA test and I can be lawyer in Canada?

Which one has

1. Better earning
2. Quality of life
3. Easy Job or employment
4 Less expenses

Please revert positively

Kul


You might wanna ask these questions in one of the US threads.

This is the Cambridge thread.

A UK thread.

For very, very bright lawyers.

(And some not so bright lawyers who haven't noticed yet. But do notice eventually, once they get rejected.)

<blockquote>Hii All, I have two option, First I can go for Accelerated JD programme in US and later I can be A lawyer in United states. Second pursue LLM from Canadian university and Clear NCA test and I can be lawyer in Canada?

Which one has

1. Better earning
2. Quality of life
3. Easy Job or employment
4 Less expenses

Please revert positively

Kul</blockquote>

You might wanna ask these questions in one of the US threads.

This is the Cambridge thread.

A UK thread.

For very, very bright lawyers.

(And some not so bright lawyers who haven't noticed yet. But do notice eventually, once they get rejected.)
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