Working in EU after LLM (being non-EU citizen)


rclam
Hello everyone.
I'm currently searching for a LLM in Europe, but I want to focus in a country and field that would be more open to starting a career in Europe, so I'd like to know if you have any experiences or ideas.

For now, I'm looking for IP/IT/Media and Entertainment Law field, which I'm mostly interested in. Also, Alternative Dispute Resolution and a general EU/International Law is not off the table, but would be my second choice.

Anyway, what I really want to know if anyone could help me deciding where/what to do, considering that my goal is to work and live in Europe after the LLM. Not necessarily in the same country of the LLM, but preferably. Remembering that I'm not from EU, so that's not helpful.

The LLMs I'm mostly interested are these, but I'd like other opinion:
Tilburg
KU Leuven
Liège
Ireland (Cork, Dublin)

Others, like those in Sweden in Germany seem good, but I'm not sure. UK would be a good choice, but I'm not sure I could afford.

Anyway, I hope someone can help me.
Thanks.
Hello everyone.
I'm currently searching for a LLM in Europe, but I want to focus in a country and field that would be more open to starting a career in Europe, so I'd like to know if you have any experiences or ideas.

For now, I'm looking for IP/IT/Media and Entertainment Law field, which I'm mostly interested in. Also, Alternative Dispute Resolution and a general EU/International Law is not off the table, but would be my second choice.

Anyway, what I really want to know if anyone could help me deciding where/what to do, considering that my goal is to work and live in Europe after the LLM. Not necessarily in the same country of the LLM, but preferably. Remembering that I'm not from EU, so that's not helpful.

The LLMs I'm mostly interested are these, but I'd like other opinion:
Tilburg
KU Leuven
Liège
Ireland (Cork, Dublin)

Others, like those in Sweden in Germany seem good, but I'm not sure. UK would be a good choice, but I'm not sure I could afford.

Anyway, I hope someone can help me.
Thanks.
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Duncan
Language skills are really important for legal work. I suggest focussing on whichever region you have the best language skills in. If you speak Swedish, then Sweden sounds pretty good but not if you don't.
Language skills are really important for legal work. I suggest focussing on whichever region you have the best language skills in. If you speak Swedish, then Sweden sounds pretty good but not if you don't.
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rclam
Language skills are really important for legal work. I suggest focussing on whichever region you have the best language skills in. If you speak Swedish, then Sweden sounds pretty good but not if you don't.


Thanks for answering, Duncan!
Definitely I do not speak Swedish hehe but I'm studying french and german, but Im still a beginner.. My perspective is landing a job in an international firm/company, otherwise I'm aware that I'd have a hard time without the language..

I speak portuguese and english, but I'm not sure if Portugal would be a good choice for LLM and UK seems expensive, although the Universities are renowned. Canada could be a good choice aswell, but I'm focused in UK/Europe.
[quote]Language skills are really important for legal work. I suggest focussing on whichever region you have the best language skills in. If you speak Swedish, then Sweden sounds pretty good but not if you don't. [/quote]

Thanks for answering, Duncan!
Definitely I do not speak Swedish hehe but I'm studying french and german, but Im still a beginner.. My perspective is landing a job in an international firm/company, otherwise I'm aware that I'd have a hard time without the language..

I speak portuguese and english, but I'm not sure if Portugal would be a good choice for LLM and UK seems expensive, although the Universities are renowned. Canada could be a good choice aswell, but I'm focused in UK/Europe.
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Ribben
Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well.
Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well.
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rclam
Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well.


Thanks for answering, Ribben!
About Ireland, any suggestion about the Universities?
[quote]Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well. [/quote]

Thanks for answering, Ribben!
About Ireland, any suggestion about the Universities?
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Ribben
Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well.


Thanks for answering, Ribben!
About Ireland, any suggestion about the Universities?


I studied at Trinity College Dublin myself for a year on Erasmus exchange and I found the level of education very good. It also has a beautiful campus and Dublin is a vibrant and young city with plenty to do. Would definitely recommend. I have no doubt in my mind they have a good LLM program in IT/IP law, and Dublin itself is the European headquarter to Amazon, Google, and IBM amongst others if I'm not mistaken.

Coincedentally, I obtained my degree at one of the other uni's on your list, namely KU Leuven. I would also recommend this university, as the level is very good as well and Leuven itself is a cosy and fun city (although the IP LLM is taught in the Brussels campus, half an hour train ride away). If you want to do anything related with EU law then I would definitely recommend this option.

Also, more generally, since you are Brazilian, if you have the opportunity of obtaining a European citizenship (maybe you have Italian/ Portuguese grandparents or something) I would definitely try and get that if it is your plan to build your career in Europe. Once you obtain any European nationality, you can pretty much work and live anywhere inside Europe since the European Union has no internal borders.
[quote][quote]Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well. [/quote]

Thanks for answering, Ribben!
About Ireland, any suggestion about the Universities?[/quote]

I studied at Trinity College Dublin myself for a year on Erasmus exchange and I found the level of education very good. It also has a beautiful campus and Dublin is a vibrant and young city with plenty to do. Would definitely recommend. I have no doubt in my mind they have a good LLM program in IT/IP law, and Dublin itself is the European headquarter to Amazon, Google, and IBM amongst others if I'm not mistaken.

Coincedentally, I obtained my degree at one of the other uni's on your list, namely KU Leuven. I would also recommend this university, as the level is very good as well and Leuven itself is a cosy and fun city (although the IP LLM is taught in the Brussels campus, half an hour train ride away). If you want to do anything related with EU law then I would definitely recommend this option.

Also, more generally, since you are Brazilian, if you have the opportunity of obtaining a European citizenship (maybe you have Italian/ Portuguese grandparents or something) I would definitely try and get that if it is your plan to build your career in Europe. Once you obtain any European nationality, you can pretty much work and live anywhere inside Europe since the European Union has no internal borders.
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rclam
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I studied at Trinity College Dublin myself for a year on Erasmus exchange and I found the level of education very good. It also has a beautiful campus and Dublin is a vibrant and young city with plenty to do. Would definitely recommend. I have no doubt in my mind they have a good LLM program in IT/IP law, and Dublin itself is the European headquarter to Amazon, Google, and IBM amongst others if I'm not mistaken.

Coincedentally, I obtained my degree at one of the other uni's on your list, namely KU Leuven. I would also recommend this university, as the level is very good as well and Leuven itself is a cosy and fun city (although the IP LLM is taught in the Brussels campus, half an hour train ride away). If you want to do anything related with EU law then I would definitely recommend this option.

Also, more generally, since you are Brazilian, if you have the opportunity of obtaining a European citizenship (maybe you have Italian/ Portuguese grandparents or something) I would definitely try and get that if it is your plan to build your career in Europe. Once you obtain any European nationality, you can pretty much work and live anywhere inside Europe since the European Union has no internal borders.


I'm thinking about first getting a general EU/International Law LLM, and then a specific one in IP/IT Law.. not sure if I could afford two in a row.

What about this program in KU Leuven, is it really necessary to already have a LLM or a lot of experience to be admitted?

Oh, and sadly enough, I do not have a chance to get any european citizenship :/

[Edited by rclam on Feb 01, 2018]

[quote]...
I studied at Trinity College Dublin myself for a year on Erasmus exchange and I found the level of education very good. It also has a beautiful campus and Dublin is a vibrant and young city with plenty to do. Would definitely recommend. I have no doubt in my mind they have a good LLM program in IT/IP law, and Dublin itself is the European headquarter to Amazon, Google, and IBM amongst others if I'm not mistaken.

Coincedentally, I obtained my degree at one of the other uni's on your list, namely KU Leuven. I would also recommend this university, as the level is very good as well and Leuven itself is a cosy and fun city (although the IP LLM is taught in the Brussels campus, half an hour train ride away). If you want to do anything related with EU law then I would definitely recommend this option.

Also, more generally, since you are Brazilian, if you have the opportunity of obtaining a European citizenship (maybe you have Italian/ Portuguese grandparents or something) I would definitely try and get that if it is your plan to build your career in Europe. Once you obtain any European nationality, you can pretty much work and live anywhere inside Europe since the European Union has no internal borders.[/quote]

I'm thinking about first getting a general EU/International Law LLM, and then a specific one in IP/IT Law.. not sure if I could afford two in a row.

What about this program in KU Leuven, is it really necessary to already have a LLM or a lot of experience to be admitted?

Oh, and sadly enough, I do not have a chance to get any european citizenship :/
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Ribben
For the KU Leuven LLM you don't need a previous LLM nor any professional experience to be admitted. You just need to prove your English proficiency and have decent grades in your first degree.
For the KU Leuven LLM you don't need a previous LLM nor any professional experience to be admitted. You just need to prove your English proficiency and have decent grades in your first degree.
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MBL-FU
Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well.


Not necessarily, if you prefer sunny Spain over Belgium you could aim for the EUIPO in Alicante. You also mentioned that you're learning French and German, so the European Patent Office (Munich, Berlin, Vienna) or the future Unified Patent Court (Paris, Munich, Vienna, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Mannheim) could be also interesting. Even if you don't want to work directly for these institutions, they tend to attract law firms in the vicinity ;-)

Just my two pence!
[quote]Well if you want to do anything IP/IT law related with the European Union, you need to be in Belgium obviously. However Dublin specfically has a lot of big tech firms so that could be a very good option as well. [/quote]

Not necessarily, if you prefer sunny Spain over Belgium you could aim for the EUIPO in Alicante. You also mentioned that you're learning French and German, so the European Patent Office (Munich, Berlin, Vienna) or the future Unified Patent Court (Paris, Munich, Vienna, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Mannheim) could be also interesting. Even if you don't want to work directly for these institutions, they tend to attract law firms in the vicinity ;-)

Just my two pence!
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rclam
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Not necessarily, if you prefer sunny Spain over Belgium you could aim for the EUIPO in Alicante. You also mentioned that you're learning French and German, so the European Patent Office (Munich, Berlin, Vienna) or the future Unified Patent Court (Paris, Munich, Vienna, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Mannheim) could be also interesting. Even if you don't want to work directly for these institutions, they tend to attract law firms in the vicinity ;-)

Just my two pence!


Great insight, as usual!

Do you know if those institutions offers courses/training aswell?

Thanks!
[quote]...
Not necessarily, if you prefer sunny Spain over Belgium you could aim for the EUIPO in Alicante. You also mentioned that you're learning French and German, so the European Patent Office (Munich, Berlin, Vienna) or the future Unified Patent Court (Paris, Munich, Vienna, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Mannheim) could be also interesting. Even if you don't want to work directly for these institutions, they tend to attract law firms in the vicinity ;-)

Just my two pence![/quote]

Great insight, as usual!

Do you know if those institutions offers courses/training aswell?

Thanks!
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Hello everyone.
I'm currently searching for a LLM in Europe, but I want to focus in a country and field that would be more open to starting a career in Europe, so I'd like to know if you have any experiences or ideas.

For now, I'm looking for IP/IT/Media and Entertainment Law field, which I'm mostly interested in. Also, Alternative Dispute Resolution and a general EU/International Law is not off the table, but would be my second choice.

Anyway, what I really want to know if anyone could help me deciding where/what to do, considering that my goal is to work and live in Europe after the LLM. Not necessarily in the same country of the LLM, but preferably. Remembering that I'm not from EU, so that's not helpful.

The LLMs I'm mostly interested are these, but I'd like other opinion:
Tilburg
KU Leuven
Liège
Ireland (Cork, Dublin)

Others, like those in Sweden in Germany seem good, but I'm not sure. UK would be a good choice, but I'm not sure I could afford.

Anyway, I hope someone can help me.
Thanks.
[quote]Hello everyone.
I'm currently searching for a LLM in Europe, but I want to focus in a country and field that would be more open to starting a career in Europe, so I'd like to know if you have any experiences or ideas.

For now, I'm looking for IP/IT/Media and Entertainment Law field, which I'm mostly interested in. Also, Alternative Dispute Resolution and a general EU/International Law is not off the table, but would be my second choice.

Anyway, what I really want to know if anyone could help me deciding where/what to do, considering that my goal is to work and live in Europe after the LLM. Not necessarily in the same country of the LLM, but preferably. Remembering that I'm not from EU, so that's not helpful.

The LLMs I'm mostly interested are these, but I'd like other opinion:
Tilburg
KU Leuven
Liège
Ireland (Cork, Dublin)

Others, like those in Sweden in Germany seem good, but I'm not sure. UK would be a good choice, but I'm not sure I could afford.

Anyway, I hope someone can help me.
Thanks.[/quote]
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Mombastic
Out of those mentioned I recommend KUL. They have a specialised LLM on International & European Business Law which allows you to study more or less what has been described above - saying this as I'm unsure about whether they teach Entertainment law. Leuven is quite a nice city and a lot of people speak very good English - even people in their 60's do! Also KUL (as they say) is the best University in the Benelux, carrying lots of historical prestige.

PS: I am truly not trying to discourage you; have non-EU friends who are very much looking forward to staying in Europe but it's hard for them to do so. Though an LLM will help you (I know someone who actually got a contract at the Big 4 companies but it's a rare case), you have to be aware of the fierce competition out there.

A suggestion for you (if you have not considered it) is to go for the LLM and then enrol for the PhD. Belgian universities are paying you for it, contrary to other countries.

[Edited by Mombastic on May 08, 2018]

Out of those mentioned I recommend KUL. They have a specialised LLM on International & European Business Law which allows you to study more or less what has been described above - saying this as I'm unsure about whether they teach Entertainment law. Leuven is quite a nice city and a lot of people speak very good English - even people in their 60's do! Also KUL (as they say) is the best University in the Benelux, carrying lots of historical prestige.

PS: I am truly not trying to discourage you; have non-EU friends who are very much looking forward to staying in Europe but it's hard for them to do so. Though an LLM will help you (I know someone who actually got a contract at the Big 4 companies but it's a rare case), you have to be aware of the fierce competition out there.

A suggestion for you (if you have not considered it) is to go for the LLM and then enrol for the PhD. Belgian universities are paying you for it, contrary to other countries.
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