NYU Vs. Upenn+ Wharton

avin

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 00:05

Do you guys think NYU is worth in front of Upenn with Wharton?

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meetmeannu

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 16:07

I think Upenn even without Wharton is far more better than NYU. Though NYU is better ranking school than Upenn, NYU is a super market school with good marketing options. Wharton is a very big name and it will definitely enhance the resume, though it is merely a certificate and all the courses are not good enough. I have been admitted to both NYU and Upenn+Wharton and will join Upenn if not considered by the SLS.
Where are you from? What other schools have you applied?

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Lionel Hut...

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 16:36

agree

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mnementh

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 21:43

NYU is better ranked, and it's better to go by rankings. It's also located in NYC. Penn is prestigious but not as prestigious as NYU. The Wharton might be an incentive but it's probably more of a waste of money. You can also do something jointly with Stern, which is also a good business school, even if it's not Wharton.

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Lionel Hut...

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 22:08

not agree

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mav09

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 22:45

not agree

How about a little more than simply agreeing and disagreeing.
There are advantages and disadvantages of both.
NYU Plus
New York as the biggest advantage in terms of location.
Better Reputation
Better known globally
Better Faculty
has a much better employment rate
NYU negetives
New York is expensive
Class size does not permit joint classes with JD's.
UPenn Plus
Ivy League (though same only applies to a sporting union)
Smaller LL.M. intake permits LL.M. applicants to join classes with JDs'. ( Please bear in mind that the class sizes at UPenn and NYU are relatively the same and the size of the collective LL.M. programs does not reflect the actual class size as NYU has a very large tax intake and earnestly 80% of the LL.M. candidates at NYU are participating in Tax specialization and the remaining 20% comprise of the students for other courses. Furthermore NYU conducts separate classes for LL.M. students and UPenn conducts LL.M. classes with JDs', thereby maintaining relatively similar class sizes)
UPenn Campus
good faculty.
UPenn Negatives
does not enjoy the global and far reaching reputation of NYU
Offers less employment opportunities as compared to NYU.
Philadelphia less interesting than New York.
Adding the Wharton certificate and the foundation course which is compulsory for LL.M. students, both NYU and UPenn will cost the same.

Conclusion:
Both are good schools and have their own strengths, both have good programs and have some star professors to look forward to in different programs however NYU's program ratings individually and collectively as a university are better. Choosing a law school is a personal choice, make the best possible use.

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How about a little more than simply agreeing and disagreeing.
There are advantages and disadvantages of both.
NYU Plus
New York as the biggest advantage in terms of location.
Better Reputation
Better known globally
Better Faculty
has a much better employment rate
NYU negetives
New York is expensive
Class size does not permit joint classes with JD's.
UPenn Plus
Ivy League (though same only applies to a sporting union)
Smaller LL.M. intake permits LL.M. applicants to join classes with JDs'. ( Please bear in mind that the class sizes at UPenn and NYU are relatively the same and the size of the collective LL.M. programs does not reflect the actual class size as NYU has a very large tax intake and earnestly 80% of the LL.M. candidates at NYU are participating in Tax specialization and the remaining 20% comprise of the students for other courses. Furthermore NYU conducts separate classes for LL.M. students and UPenn conducts LL.M. classes with JDs', thereby maintaining relatively similar class sizes)
UPenn Campus
good faculty.
UPenn Negatives
does not enjoy the global and far reaching reputation of NYU
Offers less employment opportunities as compared to NYU.
Philadelphia less interesting than New York.
Adding the Wharton certificate and the foundation course which is compulsory for LL.M. students, both NYU and UPenn will cost the same.

Conclusion:
Both are good schools and have their own strengths, both have good programs and have some star professors to look forward to in different programs however NYU's program ratings individually and collectively as a university are better. Choosing a law school is a personal choice, make the best possible use.

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mnementh

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 22:56

Very nice post. comment: the 80%-20% is not true. and "Class size does not permit joint classes with JD's" : not true. All classes at NYU are joined with JD's, except for a couple of classes which LLM's can choose (2-3 classes out of the whole curriculum), if they want to, that are only for LLM's.

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mav09

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 23:03

Very nice post. comment: the 80%-20% is not true. and "Class size does not permit joint classes with JD's" : not true. All classes at NYU are joined with JD's, except for a couple of classes which LLM's can choose (2-3 classes out of the whole curriculum), if they want to, that are only for LLM's.

You may be right, what I stated about the class size was not a fact but my deduction from the materiel on both universities websites and other posts. As far as what is represented, it so appeared that LL.M. class at NYU were conducted separately. Would you also mind throwing some light on the class size in corporate law program at NYU since my deductions do not hold true.
Furthermore 80-20% came from the fact that I was under the idea that NYU Tax LL.M. is as large as 400 students and since the entire LL.M. intake is around 500, the remaining students participate in the other programs.

<blockquote>Very nice post. comment: the 80%-20% is not true. and "Class size does not permit joint classes with JD's" : not true. All classes at NYU are joined with JD's, except for a couple of classes which LLM's can choose (2-3 classes out of the whole curriculum), if they want to, that are only for LLM's.
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You may be right, what I stated about the class size was not a fact but my deduction from the materiel on both universities websites and other posts. As far as what is represented, it so appeared that LL.M. class at NYU were conducted separately. Would you also mind throwing some light on the class size in corporate law program at NYU since my deductions do not hold true.
Furthermore 80-20% came from the fact that I was under the idea that NYU Tax LL.M. is as large as 400 students and since the entire LL.M. intake is around 500, the remaining students participate in the other programs.

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mnementh

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Posted Mar 19, 2009 23:14

It was a fair deduction and this is what some people do believe, but it's not true. In fact, the LLM's are totally co mingled with the JD's with respect to 99% of the classes.

As to the corporate program, the class size is probably about 80-100 big, but the students are also totally co mingled with the rest, and they can choose from a very broad spectrum of classes.

There are a total of 450-500 students including the tax, and so you'll have 250 in tax, and 200-250 for the rest.

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avin

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Posted Mar 25, 2009 07:43

which school is better in terms of future prospect...
As

NYU advantage-

Law firms and networking ( but present market negate this factor)

NYU Bar exam- better with NYU course, about Uepnn, cant say about chances for NYU bar

Faculty - NYU faculty will be as good as with Upenn and wharton's faculty combination

Finance- No problem but cant bear the expense incurred due to NYU LLM with stern business school certificate... so cant conbine LLM at nyu with Stern course... Upenn with Wharton is not beyond reach... may be a lucrative aspect in terms of resume..

Exposure- seems better at NYU due to location, but cant say about Upenn with Wharton as philly is not NYU..

Ranking- NYU is better but there is no official ranking of Upenn with Wharton certificate, i believe wharton cant compromise with quality of courses and professors at wharton will be good even for certificate course

Campus- in NYU , great life, heard that LLM in Corporation law is tough job, better chance for interaction due to the presence of UN and International law firm in campus....

Brand name- NYU is better but Upenn with Wharton , can make wider prospects... can give better understanding of business laws ( as i cant apply for stern at nyu due to cost factor)... and wharton will give a alumni tag..

So what will you decide? i need your suggestion.