Hey guys,

which one is better, NYU, UVA, GTLC, NU, Upenn? admitted by UVA (with a grant of 15,000) and GTLC right now, still waiting for the others. Just wanna ask which one is better, on condition that only UVA gives the grant.

Thanks a lot!

Well, I think it depends on the fields you wish to study and of course of your future plans. If you just consider the ranking, it is very clear: NYU goes before UPenn etc. But nevertheless...all these unis are considered to be among the best unis in the US. Therefore, it first depends on the fields and the goals you wanna reach in your career. Never forget that e.g. is ranked 5th but the LLM class is with about 425 students larger than large. UPenn is a great school and one of the Ivy League Schools, which is great. I know that all thze unis have pros and cons...so, it's up to you and your goals (nad maybe the money) which one suits best for you!

and what about NW LLM/K vs UPENN vs CLS.
i talked to some people in NY and in Chicago and ite seens that NW has the best business program (CBA - Kellogg), yet CLS is the best name for Law, no doubt.
i wonder about a possible career change - work some time at an IB or Project Finance and afterwards come back to law. It seems that NW is the best option for that (good law, dood b-school, good city (better than philadelphia and cheaper than NY) and a frendly enviroment and awesome neighborhood!!!!)
at the end of the day I don'tt know if which one is better. I am alos more confused after reading the post abou the princeton review. any ideas.

UVA will be a good choice in consideration of the considerable grant. NYU will the second choice if it does not give you scholarship. Unless you go to Top 6, there are not much difference among Top7-14.

and what about NW LLM/K vs UPENN vs CLS.
i talked to some people in NY and in Chicago and ite seens that NW has the best business program (CBA - Kellogg), yet CLS is the best name for Law, no doubt.
i wonder about a possible career change - work some time at an IB or Project Finance and afterwards come back to law. It seems that NW is the best option for that (good law, dood b-school, good city (better than philadelphia and cheaper than NY) and a frendly enviroment and awesome neighborhood!!!!)
at the end of the day I don'tt know if which one is better. I am alos more confused after reading the post abou the princeton review. any ideas.

THANK YOU MAB79!!!!

I has been very dificultt, but I think I have decided to go to NU LLM/Kellogg.

I just receive my ad from UofC and I am gonna reject it.

I know that in terms of LAW and BRAND, CLS is better than NU, yet I believe it is more suitable for those who want to change career and land a job in NY.

UVA will be a good choice in consideration of the considerable grant. NYU will the second choice if it does not give you scholarship. Unless you go to Top 6, there are not much difference among Top7-14.

Depends on how you regard the US$15,000.

All this is in essence bullshit. It depends on how you value the differences between universities.

If you want to know which one is better known worldwide: that's Columbia.
If you want to live in NY, in a big LLM group with 200 people, on a very nice campus, go to Columbia.
On the other hand if you want to live in a smaller town with high living quality, great weather, in a small LLM group of about 40 people, go to Virginia.

Do you appreciate the $15,000 grant highly or doesn't it matter?

Just make a personal choice between all universities.

All this is in essence bullshit. It depends on how you value the differences between universities.

If you want to know which one is better known worldwide: that's Columbia.
If you want to live in NY, in a big LLM group with 200 people, on a very nice campus, go to Columbia.
On the other hand if you want to live in a smaller town with high living quality, great weather, in a small LLM group of about 40 people, go to Virginia.

Do you appreciate the $15,000 grant highly or doesn't it matter?

Just make a personal choice between all universities.

I totally agree with Santa. with 15.000$ grant, I would not even bother thinking... with regard to the NU LLM/K, the latter is more business than law, so you better think which courses you want to take once you choose the school

How do you compare the "big class" and "small class"?

Like mentioned in the Penn vs. Chicago thread I am a current LL.M.-student at Penn.

In case that you are interested in Corporate/Business Law then Penn is the best address to go due to the variety and quality of classes. For example the Law School offers besides the basic corporations class also M&A, Anatomy of a Merger (taught by 2 alumni who are parnters at Sullivan & Cromwell), Corporate Finance, International Finance, Securities Regulation, Business Strategies and Corporate Law (taught by an alumnus who is a partner at KKR, Wharton MBA students are also attending this class) and some more business-related classes which I do not recall.
It is also possible to participate in the Wharton Law and Business program. Otherwise you are allowed to attend one Wharton MBA-class.

In contrast to for example NYU the program is relatively small (90 people) and you are allowed to take classes with the JDs. Therefore, it is also a bigger accomplishment to have been admitted at Penn than at NYU (according to my latest information there are 1,400 applications for the 90 places in Penn's LL.M.-class of 2011!). I wouldn't also give to much on rankings because they are measuring the JD- and not the LL.M.-programs. Although NYU is in front of Penn in the ranking I would not say that the education there is better than here. If you take a look at general rankings (see Penn vs. Chicago thread) you'll see that Penn is far more prestigious than NYU not only because it is an Ivy League university. Some of my classmates have rejected offers from Columbia and even Harvard to go to Penn.

The campus is also very nice and Philly isn't as bad as its reputation. Therefore, I think that Penn would be a very good choice.

Okay, clear with UPENN / NYU, but what do you frankly think of UPENN / CLS? (Corp focus, of course).

I think that Penn is at least as good as Columbia when you focus on corporate law, in my opinion even better. Besides the above mentioned variety of classes we have also interesting guest lectures by for example Eric Rosenfeld (former Harvard instructor and partner of Long Term Capital Management) and Joseph Gatto (former vice chairman of Lehman Brothers). I would also say that the overall quality of the professors is very good. Most of them are Harvard- or Yale alumni. In addition we have also classes taught by very experienced practioners (one KKR partner, two partners from Sullivan & Cromwell etc.).
Of course Columbia is also a great university and if you want to live in NYC you should go there. But from the educational point view with regard to corporate law I would go to Penn.