Hello,
I finished my studies in International Business Law in France, and I've been recruited to work as a Legal Counsel in a big company where I work for a couple of months now.
However, I would like to work in the USA since I've studied there for a semester (exchange program). I know that it would be difficult for a French Legal Counsel to find the equivalent in the USA, but whatever, I want to try, I am determined!
In order to do the things well and to help me, I thought of a LLM which could allow me to pass the NY or California Bar,
However, it would be complicated for me, financially speaking to quit my job, apply for a LLM, possibly obtain a student visa which would not allow me to work, and although I work within a big company, I am not very well paid knowing I am a beginner.
I discovered that a lot of universities can allow students to obtain a LLM by "e-learning", which could allow me to keep my job in France. But how can I know that such a degree can allow me to pass the NY or California Bar?
Thank you,
Lola
LLM
Posted Dec 18, 2014 14:28
I finished my studies in International Business Law in France, and I've been recruited to work as a Legal Counsel in a big company where I work for a couple of months now.
However, I would like to work in the USA since I've studied there for a semester (exchange program). I know that it would be difficult for a French Legal Counsel to find the equivalent in the USA, but whatever, I want to try, I am determined!
In order to do the things well and to help me, I thought of a LLM which could allow me to pass the NY or California Bar,
However, it would be complicated for me, financially speaking to quit my job, apply for a LLM, possibly obtain a student visa which would not allow me to work, and although I work within a big company, I am not very well paid knowing I am a beginner.
I discovered that a lot of universities can allow students to obtain a LLM by "e-learning", which could allow me to keep my job in France. But how can I know that such a degree can allow me to pass the NY or California Bar?
Thank you,
Lola
Posted Dec 18, 2014 16:34
Hello,
However, it would be complicated for me, financially speaking to quit my job, apply for a LLM, possibly obtain a student visa which would not allow me to work, and although I work within a big company, I am not very well paid knowing I am a beginner.
I discovered that a lot of universities can allow students to obtain a LLM by "e-learning", which could allow me to keep my job in France. But how can I know that such a degree can allow me to pass the NY or California Bar?
Let me dispel any notions that you may have as regards landing a job in the US with an 'e-degree'. There are, at this precise moment, more than a hundred Harvard JDs who are yet to gain employment. There are more than a thousand LLMs from ivy league univs who will be unhappily flying back in April as there is nothing for them here. These people paid top$ for the best legal education, camped in DC and NYC for a month, cleared the bar, pestered partners to death and are unsuccessful. So to say that a frenchman safely ensconed in France, receipent of a law degree whose credentials are questionable to say the least, awarded in an unprecedented manner, without setting foot on US soil has the slightest of chances at a law firm in the US is to beggar belief.
However, it would be complicated for me, financially speaking to quit my job, apply for a LLM, possibly obtain a student visa which would not allow me to work, and although I work within a big company, I am not very well paid knowing I am a beginner.
I discovered that a lot of universities can allow students to obtain a LLM by "e-learning", which could allow me to keep my job in France. But how can I know that such a degree can allow me to pass the NY or California Bar?
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Let me dispel any notions that you may have as regards landing a job in the US with an 'e-degree'. There are, at this precise moment, more than a hundred Harvard JDs who are yet to gain employment. There are more than a thousand LLMs from ivy league univs who will be unhappily flying back in April as there is nothing for them here. These people paid top$ for the best legal education, camped in DC and NYC for a month, cleared the bar, pestered partners to death and are unsuccessful. So to say that a frenchman safely ensconed in France, receipent of a law degree whose credentials are questionable to say the least, awarded in an unprecedented manner, without setting foot on US soil has the slightest of chances at a law firm in the US is to beggar belief.
Posted Dec 18, 2014 17:51
Well, thank you for your answer... but, I do not expect any chances at a very famous law firm in the US which requires to be graduated from Harvard Law School, my goal is to work "in-house", in a company, not even a "big company".
In order to be considered, should I have the smallest chance in the world to be considered for such a position, passing the NY or California Bar could allow me to be better considered than without it, taking into account the privilege of my correspondance.
You know, in France people say that a person without a 25,000/year degree from a prestigious business school in Paris have no chance to work within a CAC40 company. People also say that without such a degree, you must pass the Paris or the Aix-en-Provence Bar in order for you to get the chance to work within such a big company, which seems so stupid considering that you do not need it to work "in-house". People also say that graduated students get internships for years before having an acceptable position. In France, people pay too much attention to your degrees. Of course, prestigious law firms also pay attention to that kind of things, and considering your answer, it seems to be the same in the U.S.
I just did some research, discovered that, to work "in-house", in some "small cities", those criteria were not (explicitly) required, and I do not think that graduated from Harvard Law School would apply there... I might be wrong.
Well, against everything that people recommended me to do, I got hired by such a big company, within less than one month after I graduated, without any of those expensive degrees. Because I just tried, and I was happy to discover that it worked out.
So, I know that if I want to work in the U.S., I should ideally have a JD from Harvard Law School, or from any other ivy league univs, then pass the Bar, to at least expect finding a job someday in my life in the U.S..
However, as I did explain, I cannot do that, because I am 25, and I do not have more than 2,000 saved for now, cannot going in a bank and ask "hey dude, can you give me 250,000??" it seems just crazy, and I do not have a rich husband nor family to have my back either.
I am just trying to find a solution considering my personal situation, and just expect that "everything is possible", and try. Then, if it does not work, I will not have any regrets.
However, I will consider your answer, as "an e-learning LLM is as useless as my French degree to find a job in the U.S.", at least, I will save time and money.
Thank you.
In order to be considered, should I have the smallest chance in the world to be considered for such a position, passing the NY or California Bar could allow me to be better considered than without it, taking into account the privilege of my correspondance.
You know, in France people say that a person without a 25,000/year degree from a prestigious business school in Paris have no chance to work within a CAC40 company. People also say that without such a degree, you must pass the Paris or the Aix-en-Provence Bar in order for you to get the chance to work within such a big company, which seems so stupid considering that you do not need it to work "in-house". People also say that graduated students get internships for years before having an acceptable position. In France, people pay too much attention to your degrees. Of course, prestigious law firms also pay attention to that kind of things, and considering your answer, it seems to be the same in the U.S.
I just did some research, discovered that, to work "in-house", in some "small cities", those criteria were not (explicitly) required, and I do not think that graduated from Harvard Law School would apply there... I might be wrong.
Well, against everything that people recommended me to do, I got hired by such a big company, within less than one month after I graduated, without any of those expensive degrees. Because I just tried, and I was happy to discover that it worked out.
So, I know that if I want to work in the U.S., I should ideally have a JD from Harvard Law School, or from any other ivy league univs, then pass the Bar, to at least expect finding a job someday in my life in the U.S..
However, as I did explain, I cannot do that, because I am 25, and I do not have more than 2,000 saved for now, cannot going in a bank and ask "hey dude, can you give me 250,000??" it seems just crazy, and I do not have a rich husband nor family to have my back either.
I am just trying to find a solution considering my personal situation, and just expect that "everything is possible", and try. Then, if it does not work, I will not have any regrets.
However, I will consider your answer, as "an e-learning LLM is as useless as my French degree to find a job in the U.S.", at least, I will save time and money.
Thank you.
Posted Dec 20, 2014 19:25
Well, thank you for your answer... but, I do not expect any chances at a very famous law firm in the US which requires to be graduated from Harvard Law School, my goal is to work "in-house", in a company, not even a "big company".
In order to be considered, should I have the smallest chance in the world to be considered for such a position, passing the NY or California Bar could allow me to be better considered than without it, taking into account the privilege of my correspondance.
online degrees are usually not accepted in most states including nyc...
You know, in France people say that a person without a 25,000/year degree from a prestigious business school in Paris have no chance to work within a CAC40 company. People also say that without such a degree, you must pass the Paris or the Aix-en-Provence Bar in order for you to get the chance to work within such a big company, which seems so stupid considering that you do not need it to work "in-house". People also say that graduated students get internships for years before having an acceptable position. In France, people pay too much attention to your degrees. Of course, prestigious law firms also pay attention to that kind of things, and considering your answer, it seems to be the same in the U.S.
I just did some research, discovered that, to work "in-house", in some "small cities", those criteria were not (explicitly) required, and I do not think that graduated from Harvard Law School would apply there... I might be wrong.
Well, against everything that people recommended me to do, I got hired by such a big company, within less than one month after I graduated, without any of those expensive degrees. Because I just tried, and I was happy to discover that it worked out.
So, I know that if I want to work in the U.S., I should ideally have a JD from Harvard Law School, or from any other ivy league univs, then pass the Bar, to at least expect finding a job someday in my life in the U.S..
However, as I did explain, I cannot do that, because I am 25, and I do not have more than 2,000 saved for now, cannot going in a bank and ask "hey dude, can you give me 250,000??" it seems just crazy, and I do not have a rich husband nor family to have my back either.
I am just trying to find a solution considering my personal situation, and just expect that "everything is possible", and try. Then, if it does not work, I will not have any regrets.
However, I will consider your answer, as "an e-learning LLM is as useless as my French degree to find a job in the U.S.", at least, I will save time and money.
Thank you.
In order to be considered, should I have the smallest chance in the world to be considered for such a position, passing the NY or California Bar could allow me to be better considered than without it, taking into account the privilege of my correspondance.
online degrees are usually not accepted in most states including nyc...
You know, in France people say that a person without a 25,000/year degree from a prestigious business school in Paris have no chance to work within a CAC40 company. People also say that without such a degree, you must pass the Paris or the Aix-en-Provence Bar in order for you to get the chance to work within such a big company, which seems so stupid considering that you do not need it to work "in-house". People also say that graduated students get internships for years before having an acceptable position. In France, people pay too much attention to your degrees. Of course, prestigious law firms also pay attention to that kind of things, and considering your answer, it seems to be the same in the U.S.
I just did some research, discovered that, to work "in-house", in some "small cities", those criteria were not (explicitly) required, and I do not think that graduated from Harvard Law School would apply there... I might be wrong.
Well, against everything that people recommended me to do, I got hired by such a big company, within less than one month after I graduated, without any of those expensive degrees. Because I just tried, and I was happy to discover that it worked out.
So, I know that if I want to work in the U.S., I should ideally have a JD from Harvard Law School, or from any other ivy league univs, then pass the Bar, to at least expect finding a job someday in my life in the U.S..
However, as I did explain, I cannot do that, because I am 25, and I do not have more than 2,000 saved for now, cannot going in a bank and ask "hey dude, can you give me 250,000??" it seems just crazy, and I do not have a rich husband nor family to have my back either.
I am just trying to find a solution considering my personal situation, and just expect that "everything is possible", and try. Then, if it does not work, I will not have any regrets.
However, I will consider your answer, as "an e-learning LLM is as useless as my French degree to find a job in the U.S.", at least, I will save time and money.
Thank you.</blockquote>
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