tier 4 jd (fairly good grades) is considered superior to tier 1 llm.

Do these comments assume that the applicant has no work experience. ie surely an LLM with big firm experience would be better than a JD? Im not sure I can remember the class in law school that taught drafting share sale agreements?

That's another very solid plus, but I've seen people with no big firm experience get offers anyway.

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Good lord.

1. Convention regarding how to post, not the substantive discussion?

2. It's not a CONCLUSION to say that no career advisor, hiring partner, recruiter or former LLM has ever hinted that immigration-related costs are an issue.

3a. Why aren't you responding to the fact that "top tier" firms hire "top tier" graduates with average grades?

4. Check. I didn't even use numbering.

5. It's not market reality that firms look at "Tier 1" schools' LLMs after JDs accept or reject offers (and sometimes, during Fall) instead of sending ads out for "Tier 2" schools' JDs?

6. Oh, stop nitpicking on the difference between one and zero.

7a. It's not a CONCLUSION that Wachtell is ranked #1 in the Vault prestige survey, come on.

7b and c: The implied rule is that being #1 in a field does not always allow you to be #1 in selectivity (Wachtell being a clear exception).

8. "Ibid" is an outdated citation form used to refer to the preceding citation, so "Ibid at 4 above" makes no sense.

9. Supra, point 5.

10. Let's go back to the "conclusions" at 2 and 7a above please.

This is completely ridiculous.

Someone says Wachtell is #1 in the widely referred to Vault prestige survey, and you disbelieve this by saying that prestige is subjective (which is true, but Wachtell's place in the survey sure isn't subjective).

Someone says that Harvard on-campus interviews show that only five 2Ls (out of 550) bid for Schulte Roth interviews in the last recruiting season, and that this is echoed by the firm's own hiring partner, and you disbelieve this by insisting Schulte Roth draws a significant number of recruits from HLS.

Good luck with the Socratic method if you get a US LLM.

Wow!
I stopped reading around halfway through Marryme's fourth-ish post.
This has to be one of the most confusing threads I have read - no graduate degree from a Tier 1 school could prepare anyone for understanding this thread.
Despite what Marryme says I feel like we have hit on all the main points (in a more helpful and respectful way) in the Employability thread.
Hurrah!

flygirl, why'd you change your name to figgie??]
And, do you know if all exams at cambridge have to be typed or can you elect to handwrite if youre slow ?

Heh, I am sick of flygirl. I set it up about over a year ago when I thought I was only going to be posting one thing on this forum and it was a nickname my roommate gave me as a joke. I reckon it's a bit silly and Fig is closer to my actual name ; )
I would say you'd be able to handwrite at Cambridge. At least at CLS you could handwrite if you chose to although most people didn't.

Wow!
I stopped reading around halfway through Marryme's fourth-ish post.
This has to be one of the most confusing threads I have read - no graduate degree from a Tier 1 school could prepare anyone for understanding this thread.
Despite what Marryme says I feel like we have hit on all the main points (in a more helpful and respectful way) in the Employability thread.
Hurrah!

heh, that is funny.
As for the name, I was just sick of Flygirl. It is a silly name and I need more credibility of this forum. I was thinking of changing to Mr L. Tribe or something...(joke).
You all seems to miss the name. Maybe I'll go back...

i preferred flygirl, personally...

I preferred flygirl as well.

I also have a friend in another school specializing in arbitration (not litigation per se) and having trouble. I think it's the same challenge as landing a corporate job, except the field is far narrower.

Ivan: Lol. The LLMs still on campus for Spring Break are all frowning and grunting about their papers, and I imagine taking it out on a troll is better than trashing a library shelf. You have to give this troll credit, though, for being articulate and for having done some research. Few JDs (except those who were bankers) know what Schulte Roth & Zabel is, for example.

I hope yueping is taking notes so we have more fun with his third clone (or is it fourth?).

lol

Jose, let´s say that the part of "have a good life" was "yuepingish". Although you have to laugh at someone who tells you (you, of all people) that you are a shame for HLS and you ruin HLS´s reputation...

Regarding my colleagues specialized in arbitration, they are now applying for positions related to project finance... I think that was what happened to flygirl (aka Figgie). Based on flygirl´s experience, maybe this could be a good idea...

Finally, SRZ is a firm that is growing really fast (10th biggest in NYC according to the NY Law Journal), and hedge funds is their franchise. But I agree with you: it is still not regarded as a top firm in terms of prestige (#76 according to Vault), and I think this still makes it hard for them to hire top talent. Yes, rankings may not be the best indicator of how things work in real life, but people most of the times takes decisions based on that.

Finally, I would suggest that we abandon this thread and go back to the Employability one...

I think Marry and Jose needs to be congratulated for providing us with the most interesting challenge of the minds.

So here are my thoughts.

1. Jose you're not a stain on HLS I think it was the heat of the moment that forced Marry to say that and I see that you have thrown some nasties too Jose before Marry threw one in his last post. I think it is a shame that two BRILLIANT debaters ended a FANTASTIC challenge between them this way.

2. I think Marry is a very high thinker and I struggled sometimes to stay with him - for example the employability and immigration thread is a VERY good way to show the power of thinking.

3. Jose is very good too but I think for him to stay the course with thinkers like Marry he must not use things like somebody told me this. This is where I think right-wing people like Marry get away with things. They hve no hearts and everything is not logical. There are things we will never be able to explain and Jose showed us that.

4. I think Marry may just have won the debate but I like Jose and what he gives us. So for me Jose you win, too.

5. Kay (HLS) you can't argue or deebate. That was what Jose was doing against an OP we all now recognize to be on a high level. Jose stayed there fighting all you do is just to say we can't get jobs! Ivan yeupings you too ran. You're discredited. So, Jose you're still the MAN.

6. I thank Jose again for standing up and for providing us with good thinking too. Maybe we should always get Jose and Marry to just debate for the fun of it

7. Marry I thank you too but if you're reading this please apologize to Jose for your last comment. You two are good guys but I think you should not have gone that far in your last post.

Congs to to you too.

I think that from now on, we should conduct "employability" debates in iambic pentameter.

Thoughts?

Another troll...

Barbarian! How dare you label me a troll because I bring up "iambic pentameter."

Uncultured Yankee! :-P

lol
I was referring to the post before yours---
In iambic pentameters: "Better a witty fool than a foolish wit".

J-kay-sorry dude.nobody likes the bearer of bad news.i just call it as i see it.i can argue or debate if that's called for but i never sought to do that here so you are in no position to judge my abilities.i am stating the position as it is so people can come here for llm forewarned and make necessary plans and strategies for jobhunting here in america.and check again-i never said llms can never get jobs.i just said it is harder than some people were saying on this site,thus misleading mny people out there.forewarned is forearmed.take it easy mr.

josepidal-calm down.no need for folded fists.lets not make this a mud pit.lets discuss objective issues and let lawyers make informed decisions about taking llms or not based on our experiences.isnt that the goal of this whole site?

peace gents