I have an Oxford law degree and a strong professional background, having worked for 2.5 years at a top international firm (I worked in real estate and now want to make a move into litigation/arbitration) and was wondering if the LLM at a top 10 university was worth spending $45,000 on in fees for someone who already has a strong legal background.
Of course, I am aware of the rhetoric that "education is a great investment etc. etc." but I'm trying to rationalize the debate as it is a significant amount of money and I will need to source a lot of it from somewhere!
Is the LLM worth $45,000 in fees
Posted Mar 28, 2010 05:09
Of course, I am aware of the rhetoric that "education is a great investment etc. etc." but I'm trying to rationalize the debate as it is a significant amount of money and I will need to source a lot of it from somewhere!
Posted Mar 28, 2010 11:49
"Is the LLM worth $45,000 in fees"
hardly every. its more or less pure luxury...
but if your employer requires you to do a ll.m., you have to spend the money.
hardly every. its more or less pure luxury...
but if your employer requires you to do a ll.m., you have to spend the money.
Posted Mar 29, 2010 22:59
easy question: the answer is no. listen to somebody who is spending ever more than 45K...
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:02
no. it ain't worth no $45k. a JD is enough. LLMs are just overpriced cash cows...
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:03
Dont have a JD anyway
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:04
Staigsta - are you currently enrolled on an LLM?
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:05
thank you petersta for the consideration eheheheh...
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:05
Yes, at Northwestern Law (Human Rights program)
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:07
I infact have an offer at NW for the normal LLM. So your vote is NO to an LLM?
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:11
It depends what do you want to do afterwards. Do you want to work in the US as a lawyer? tuitions are not worth the investment in this case, whereas you'd have little more chances if you pursue a career in international organizations (but let me get a job first, and then I'll get back to you with something tangible)
Posted Mar 29, 2010 23:14
I think it would primarily be to go to Europe and start a litigation/international arbitration career but I can't discount that there is a tiny part of me that might want to work in the US (if possible) but that was not the primary reason for pursuing the LLM
Posted Mar 30, 2010 12:11
The answer is a definitively maybe. ;)
It depends heavily on: 1) where you come from, and 2) what your career goals are. Getting an Ll.M. is pretty much mandatory for those of us with high aspirations but coming from small or poor countries. But I guess that is not your case...
If your plan is to work solely in the UK on Uk issues, then it may not be worth it, unless it opened doors. Have you talked to lawyers doing what you would like to do?
If your plan is to work on international issues, eventually with a strong link to the US, then it would probably be a good idea. This not necessarily because the education would be better than the one you already got at Oxford, but because it would give you a good deal of exposure to their rules and the way americans reason (I say tomato, you say tomato).
Two other things to consider are:
1. Living in the US is a great life time experience and the networkig may open doors beyond the US. Do not underestimate it.
2. You may end-up paying much less than $45.000 if your credentials are good and the Law School would like to have you. From what you said, that may well be the case.
Leaving aside the potential bruises to your ego (rejections hurt like hell!), nothing prevents you from applying and seeing what happens. Cheers mate!
It depends heavily on: 1) where you come from, and 2) what your career goals are. Getting an Ll.M. is pretty much mandatory for those of us with high aspirations but coming from small or poor countries. But I guess that is not your case...
If your plan is to work solely in the UK on Uk issues, then it may not be worth it, unless it opened doors. Have you talked to lawyers doing what you would like to do?
If your plan is to work on international issues, eventually with a strong link to the US, then it would probably be a good idea. This not necessarily because the education would be better than the one you already got at Oxford, but because it would give you a good deal of exposure to their rules and the way americans reason (I say tomato, you say tomato).
Two other things to consider are:
1. Living in the US is a great life time experience and the networkig may open doors beyond the US. Do not underestimate it.
2. You may end-up paying much less than $45.000 if your credentials are good and the Law School would like to have you. From what you said, that may well be the case.
Leaving aside the potential bruises to your ego (rejections hurt like hell!), nothing prevents you from applying and seeing what happens. Cheers mate!
Posted Apr 12, 2010 03:21
Networking in the USA is VERY important. Find a program with a pipeline to an employer in place.
Posted Apr 12, 2010 09:10
Networking in the USA is VERY important. Find a program with a pipeline to an employer in place.
Not only to an employer but also to good lawyers worldwide. If you are a good litigator in UK and a fromer LL.M.-from let's say Brazil is lokoing for a UK litigator, you may acquire a new client etc.
Networking, live in the U.S., get an approach to the U.S. law etc. There are many reasons for you to pursue an LL.M., although you already are well educated. But in the end I think, it depends on your goals...If you want to become a litigator in a big magic circle law firm, I think it could be quite an asset, sometimes it could be even mandatory, to have a LL.M. But if you do not want to work in such a place or do not want to work internationally, I think it might not be worth it...
Not only to an employer but also to good lawyers worldwide. If you are a good litigator in UK and a fromer LL.M.-from let's say Brazil is lokoing for a UK litigator, you may acquire a new client etc.
Networking, live in the U.S., get an approach to the U.S. law etc. There are many reasons for you to pursue an LL.M., although you already are well educated. But in the end I think, it depends on your goals...If you want to become a litigator in a big magic circle law firm, I think it could be quite an asset, sometimes it could be even mandatory, to have a LL.M. But if you do not want to work in such a place or do not want to work internationally, I think it might not be worth it...
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