Indians Applying for LL.M


SB9

@ Jitana,

Hey u are absolutely right. However, I was talking in terms of LL.M students only and I know it is difficult to get a job but if you are passing out from a college which is well known for the course u planning to pursue, it will give u an edge over others. This is my personal views and I may be wrong.

@ Jitana,

Hey u are absolutely right. However, I was talking in terms of LL.M students only and I know it is difficult to get a job but if you are passing out from a college which is well known for the course u planning to pursue, it will give u an edge over others. This is my personal views and I may be wrong.
quote

Be careful of NYU it seems their past LLM graduate employment statistics are questionable, many haven't secured employment ..... i believe there's some sort case going on in regard to this.

If you're a self financing student and concerned about employment You should be applying for a JD if you're eligible to ......

Be careful of NYU it seems their past LLM graduate employment statistics are questionable, many haven't secured employment ..... i believe there's some sort case going on in regard to this.

If you're a self financing student and concerned about employment You should be applying for a JD if you're eligible to ......
quote
Avdhesh

Hi Everyone,

I got through Boston, Northwestern and Florida in their respective tax program ( all without scholarships). Which is the best option from a job perspective?

Thanks for replying,
Avdhesh


Hi Everyone,

I got through Boston, Northwestern and Florida in their respective tax program ( all without scholarships). Which is the best option from a job perspective?

Thanks for replying,
Avdhesh
quote
GodBless

nw!! without a doubt :)

nw!! without a doubt :)
quote
Avdhesh

Thank you god bless but what about the rankings ?? Florida ranks best amongst them,..just asking?

Thank you god bless but what about the rankings ?? Florida ranks best amongst them,..just asking?
quote
GodBless

Congratulations to everyone who has been admitted to all the fantastic places!! :)

Don't know if this counts for anything but if I were you, my preference list would go this way- Cambridge>Columbia>Chicago>NYU>UPenn.
Hope that helps :) Best of luck!


Don't you feel that preferences can be a matter of choice GodBless!!! For example, I am interested in doing my LL.M in IP Laws and thus my preference list would be Stanford>NYU>Berkeley>Columbia>Duke>UPenn and Chicago will not even feature in that list!!!


absolutely karan!
i said my preference would be the list i gave out..
I am interested in business law so it makes sense for me. But yes, what u said is right..

<blockquote><blockquote>Congratulations to everyone who has been admitted to all the fantastic places!! :)

Don't know if this counts for anything but if I were you, my preference list would go this way- Cambridge>Columbia>Chicago>NYU>UPenn.
Hope that helps :) Best of luck! </blockquote>

Don't you feel that preferences can be a matter of choice GodBless!!! For example, I am interested in doing my LL.M in IP Laws and thus my preference list would be Stanford>NYU>Berkeley>Columbia>Duke>UPenn and Chicago will not even feature in that list!!!</blockquote>

absolutely karan!
i said my preference would be the list i gave out..
I am interested in business law so it makes sense for me. But yes, what u said is right..
quote
GodBless

Thank you god bless but what about the rankings ?? Florida ranks best amongst them,..just asking?


I don't know much about tax, but college wise NW is what I would prefer.

<blockquote>Thank you god bless but what about the rankings ?? Florida ranks best amongst them,..just asking?</blockquote>

I don't know much about tax, but college wise NW is what I would prefer.
quote

I got through to NYU Traditional LLM. Now debating between NYU and Chicago. Any views?

I got through to NYU Traditional LLM. Now debating between NYU and Chicago. Any views?
quote

congratulations but If you don't have a scholarship do be careful, employment prospects for LLm are grim especially for foreigners you may get stuck with large student loan.

the economy is is in bad shape for eg in 2012 even for Harvard school of design only 2 of the 36 graduates found employment.. and its expected to get worse by 2014

I'd once again admonish prospective students to consider applying for a J.D.

Best bet for good employment after LLM is Singapore without a doubt .... the economy is booming if you can get NUS go there without batting an eyelid, in my opinion it has better prospects than even Harvard law school.

Also to candidates applying to UK forget about it, very very hard to get a work permit after the course my sister completed a PhD as a gandhi-nehru scholar (full govt scholarship) from Cambridge she found it very difficult to get a job .... she did finally get one with a lot of difficulty as a full time research fellow at Oxford ....and this was 4 years ago.

The visa rules have since changed they welcome you to study but make sure you return when your course is over.

congratulations but If you don't have a scholarship do be careful, employment prospects for LLm are grim especially for foreigners you may get stuck with large student loan.

the economy is is in bad shape for eg in 2012 even for Harvard school of design only 2 of the 36 graduates found employment.. and its expected to get worse by 2014

I'd once again admonish prospective students to consider applying for a J.D.

Best bet for good employment after LLM is Singapore without a doubt .... the economy is booming if you can get NUS go there without batting an eyelid, in my opinion it has better prospects than even Harvard law school.

Also to candidates applying to UK forget about it, very very hard to get a work permit after the course my sister completed a PhD as a gandhi-nehru scholar (full govt scholarship) from Cambridge she found it very difficult to get a job .... she did finally get one with a lot of difficulty as a full time research fellow at Oxford ....and this was 4 years ago.

The visa rules have since changed they welcome you to study but make sure you return when your course is over.

quote

I got into NWU's LLM/K program. Herman, I know that you do recommend doing a JD rather than a LLM, but I'd still like to know what kind of job prospects are out there here in the US. I have worked with multi-national banks in India for almost 7 yrs dealing with corporate business matters. Came to the US less than a yr ago. Is taking the bar mandatory and helpful if you are planning on finding employment with a corporate institution?

Thank you.

I got into NWU's LLM/K program. Herman, I know that you do recommend doing a JD rather than a LLM, but I'd still like to know what kind of job prospects are out there here in the US. I have worked with multi-national banks in India for almost 7 yrs dealing with corporate business matters. Came to the US less than a yr ago. Is taking the bar mandatory and helpful if you are planning on finding employment with a corporate institution?

Thank you.
quote

congratulations .....

If you're already going to NWU why not consider the accelerated J.D ?? ?? I think its just 2 years ..... makes much more sense.

as far as i know its not mandatory to take the bar for employment in a corporate institution but its certainly is helpful. Also i think as a foreigner with LLM you can only take the bar in 2-3 states, and its not an easy road.

Regarding employment statistics after LLM from NWU .... i don't know best to get in touch with the last batch of graduates, whatever you do do not believe the program director or the career services people ..... from what I understand what they say are oftentimes "exaggerated claims"

Also its very likely there will be downturn in the economy soon, I mean the US stock markets are at all time highs but the unemployment is double what it was a few years ago and the GDP is lower than what it was a few years ago ??? not to mention the debt has literally doubled to 16 trillion dollars .... absolutely impossible to sustain but thats just my opinion.

congratulations .....

If you're already going to NWU why not consider the accelerated J.D ?? ?? I think its just 2 years ..... makes much more sense.

as far as i know its not mandatory to take the bar for employment in a corporate institution but its certainly is helpful. Also i think as a foreigner with LLM you can only take the bar in 2-3 states, and its not an easy road.

Regarding employment statistics after LLM from NWU .... i don't know best to get in touch with the last batch of graduates, whatever you do do not believe the program director or the career services people ..... from what I understand what they say are oftentimes "exaggerated claims"

Also its very likely there will be downturn in the economy soon, I mean the US stock markets are at all time highs but the unemployment is double what it was a few years ago and the GDP is lower than what it was a few years ago ??? not to mention the debt has literally doubled to 16 trillion dollars .... absolutely impossible to sustain but thats just my opinion.
quote

Herman2013, thanks for the input. However, I do not intend to work in the USA. I intend to resume work with my law firm here in India. The action here seems to be more interesting. The LLM is a learning experience for me and certainly not seeking job opportunities in the USA.

Herman2013, thanks for the input. However, I do not intend to work in the USA. I intend to resume work with my law firm here in India. The action here seems to be more interesting. The LLM is a learning experience for me and certainly not seeking job opportunities in the USA.
quote

If you have made arrangements to be employed after your studies with a new employer or your current existing employer ..... i think you've made a good decision & getting an LLM will be an advantage.

My post is just for foreign students who believe they will be scooped up by a top law firm after an LLm from a top university.

Those days are over things have changed

Request people to please stop pm'ing me I'm not a qualified career counselor or an experienced legal eagle,
I came here with the same question about employment prospects after an LLM and no one even bothered to reply. All the posts were "this school is better than that school or that school is better than this school" so i did my own research spoke to law firms, I even spoke to the legal adviser of a UN organization and got in touch with past LLM graduates of a couple of top colleges.

Do your own research in context to your background and what your career goals are most imp thing remember because "this" school is better than that doesn't mean you'll automatically get a good job which is better than a job a grad of "that' school will get, mostly likely you won't even get a good job with LLM you'll be lucky if you get a so-so job unless of course you have some connections

Goodluck everyone

If you have made arrangements to be employed after your studies with a new employer or your current existing employer ..... i think you've made a good decision & getting an LLM will be an advantage.

My post is just for foreign students who believe they will be scooped up by a top law firm after an LLm from a top university.

Those days are over things have changed

Request people to please stop pm'ing me I'm not a qualified career counselor or an experienced legal eagle,
I came here with the same question about employment prospects after an LLM and no one even bothered to reply. All the posts were "this school is better than that school or that school is better than this school" so i did my own research spoke to law firms, I even spoke to the legal adviser of a UN organization and got in touch with past LLM graduates of a couple of top colleges.

Do your own research in context to your background and what your career goals are most imp thing remember because "this" school is better than that doesn't mean you'll automatically get a good job which is better than a job a grad of "that' school will get, mostly likely you won't even get a good job with LLM you'll be lucky if you get a so-so job unless of course you have some connections

Goodluck everyone



quote
Vicks

Thanks Herman for being candid about everything. What you are saying absolutely makes sense.

Also, from what I know, regd. JD from NU you will need to take LSAT. Nonetheless, 2 year JD is a better bet from a job perspective. One should also keep in mind that the 2 yera JD will double your expenses.

Thanks Herman for being candid about everything. What you are saying absolutely makes sense.

Also, from what I know, regd. JD from NU you will need to take LSAT. Nonetheless, 2 year JD is a better bet from a job perspective. One should also keep in mind that the 2 yera JD will double your expenses.
quote

thanks for your acknowledgement, I replied to all pm's and no one bothered to even say thanks or even reply except you.

its a fact you can do your own research for eg. see here on this very forum its about international law but the basic points showing the differences between JD & LLm if you intend to stay on in USA hold true

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/73321

At first I thought what these members were saying is not entirely true but after checking and researching for myself it is very true.

As i already mentioned the employment scenario in US is quite bad and will get worse ..... for eg see the dept of labor statistics the number of Phd & masters degree holders on welfare has tripled since 2007-2008, and these are US citizens !! .......... the overall job sceanrio is just not good.

You will also find some foreigners who do an LLm and get a good job with a good firm (not their last employer) after completion of the course and this beguiles you into believing that is the "norm" but what they don't tell you is they're already well connected mostly have some family or relatives who are well placed, but they don't disclose this they'll just say I applied and got an interview call and cleared etc .....

nothing wrong with this but connections really are important guys, if you have to fend for your self just with an LLm its not so easy.

thx for your acknowledgement

thanks for your acknowledgement, I replied to all pm's and no one bothered to even say thanks or even reply except you.

its a fact you can do your own research for eg. see here on this very forum its about international law but the basic points showing the differences between JD & LLm if you intend to stay on in USA hold true

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/73321

At first I thought what these members were saying is not entirely true but after checking and researching for myself it is very true.

As i already mentioned the employment scenario in US is quite bad and will get worse ..... for eg see the dept of labor statistics the number of Phd & masters degree holders on welfare has tripled since 2007-2008, and these are US citizens !! .......... the overall job sceanrio is just not good.

You will also find some foreigners who do an LLm and get a good job with a good firm (not their last employer) after completion of the course and this beguiles you into believing that is the "norm" but what they don't tell you is they're already well connected mostly have some family or relatives who are well placed, but they don't disclose this they'll just say I applied and got an interview call and cleared etc .....

nothing wrong with this but connections really are important guys, if you have to fend for your self just with an LLm its not so easy.

thx for your acknowledgement





quote
Vicks

Herman

What about LSAT and the JD fees? Do you think JD is worth the investment?

Thanks for sharing such detailed views.

Herman

What about LSAT and the JD fees? Do you think JD is worth the investment?

Thanks for sharing such detailed views.
quote

Good question ...... well it depends on your objectives

For eg if you're coming back to India like Mr. Hopeful above I think a J.D. would not be worth the investment and with an LLM they'll garland you and welcome you back.

On the other hand if your intention is to say on and practice in USA and you don't have any "connections" you could very well end up as a clerk or as this



with a large student loan.

If your intention is to practice and you have no connections then J.D would be worth the investment from a good college (LLM the college doesn't really matter much as far as employment prospects are concerned for foreigners)

if your intention is to practice but you are well connected with family and friends in the legal world or have made arrangements with your current employer to return to them if the have an office in the states a J.D. may not be worth the investment.

Problem is most of the Indians who are not aware of the current "economic climate"  in USA are living in the past they still see USA as the land of milk & honey they don't realize the scenario has changed, LLM is not a bad degree by any means its just not as employable a degree as it used to be if you intend to stay on and practice.

These are just my observations as i said please do your own research but one thing is for sure the days of getting scooped up as a foreigner by a top law firm with an LLM from a top college are over and I don't think they're coming back soon.

good luck  .... wish you well

Good question ...... well it depends on your objectives

For eg if you're coming back to India like Mr. Hopeful above I think a J.D. would not be worth the investment and with an LLM they'll garland you and welcome you back.

On the other hand if your intention is to say on and practice in USA and you don't have any "connections" you could very well end up as a clerk or as this

[quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg [/quote]

with a large student loan.

If your intention is to practice and you have no connections then J.D would be worth the investment from a good college (LLM the college doesn't really matter much as far as employment prospects are concerned for foreigners)

if your intention is to practice but you are well connected with family and friends in the legal world or have made arrangements with your current employer to return to them if the have an office in the states a J.D. may not be worth the investment.

Problem is most of the Indians who are not aware of the current "economic climate"  in USA are living in the past they still see USA as the land of milk & honey they don't realize the scenario has changed, LLM is not a bad degree by any means its just not as employable a degree as it used to be if you intend to stay on and practice.

These are just my observations as i said please do your own research but one thing is for sure the days of getting scooped up as a foreigner by a top law firm with an LLM from a top college are over and I don't think they're coming back soon.

good luck  .... wish you well
quote
AnujAg

Hey, did anyone get some news from NYU ?
I got wait-listed this morning.

Hey, did anyone get some news from NYU ?
I got wait-listed this morning.
quote
yakshay

Got through NYU

Got through NYU
quote
AnujAg

Congratulations ! Which program did you apply to ?

Congratulations ! Which program did you apply to ?
quote

Reply to Post