For a litigator:Stanford SPILS or Columbia?


black

Advice needed. Got admitted last week to Stanford SPILS I hesitate with Columbia LLM (cos' in NY where I have been living for 1.5y).
I am a litigator. What 's best for me in your opinion?

Advice needed. Got admitted last week to Stanford SPILS I hesitate with Columbia LLM (cos' in NY where I have been living for 1.5y).
I am a litigator. What 's best for me in your opinion?
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coco

You've already lived in NYC so why not try San Fran? it's a really fun place and the weather is terrific. You can't go wrong with Stanford, even if you plan to come back to NY.

You've already lived in NYC so why not try San Fran? it's a really fun place and the weather is terrific. You can't go wrong with Stanford, even if you plan to come back to NY.
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tmalmine

I am not at all sure about this, but does Stanford SPILS have a similar problem that Yale LL.M. program has? Is it considered a rather "academic" program? You have strong background in litigation so I don't think it will be much of a problem for you, however. I believe both would be excellent programs for you so perhaps you should take into account what Coco said: which would be nicer place for you to live? It's a tough call in any event.

I am not at all sure about this, but does Stanford SPILS have a similar problem that Yale LL.M. program has? Is it considered a rather "academic" program? You have strong background in litigation so I don't think it will be much of a problem for you, however. I believe both would be excellent programs for you so perhaps you should take into account what Coco said: which would be nicer place for you to live? It's a tough call in any event.
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Paul

For me it is like comparing apples and oranges...Spils focus on a 40/50 page paper that you must write to complete the program. You will learn methodology, how to write an academic paper, present a paper, etc. Of course you can take some regular courses but you will not be able to take more than 2 in each semester. On the other hand, Columbia will allow you to take more courses. I am not saying that Columbia is a better choice but it is better that you know that. In terms of placement after the LLM, I understand that Spils students didn''t have any problem in the past. I am going to Stanford and I hope to meet you there. It is a very exclusive/unique school and I am sure you will not regret.

For me it is like comparing apples and oranges...Spils focus on a 40/50 page paper that you must write to complete the program. You will learn methodology, how to write an academic paper, present a paper, etc. Of course you can take some regular courses but you will not be able to take more than 2 in each semester. On the other hand, Columbia will allow you to take more courses. I am not saying that Columbia is a better choice but it is better that you know that. In terms of placement after the LLM, I understand that Spils students didn''t have any problem in the past. I am going to Stanford and I hope to meet you there. It is a very exclusive/unique school and I am sure you will not regret.
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IntLaw

"In terms of placement after the LLM, I understand that Spils students didn''t have any problem in the past."
Paul,
Would u have data on placements after LLM for SPILS program? i.e. what % of SPILS students got job offers? This would help some of us trying to make a decision. Thanks a lot.

"In terms of placement after the LLM, I understand that Spils students didn''t have any problem in the past."
Paul,
Would u have data on placements after LLM for SPILS program? i.e. what % of SPILS students got job offers? This would help some of us trying to make a decision. Thanks a lot.
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Lenny

Black, I am also a litigator and I would certainly choose Stanford SPILS. Keep in mind that Stanford is far more selective than Columbia and you should be very proud of your admission there. I belive that SPILS is a perfect complement for a litigation lawyers like us. Stanford is even more respected than Columbia, you will live in California and get a job easily. Congratulations again!!
Best regards,

Black, I am also a litigator and I would certainly choose Stanford SPILS. Keep in mind that Stanford is far more selective than Columbia and you should be very proud of your admission there. I belive that SPILS is a perfect complement for a litigation lawyers like us. Stanford is even more respected than Columbia, you will live in California and get a job easily. Congratulations again!!
Best regards,
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black

Thanks to all for your replies and advice. Very tough choice to make I tell you.

Thanks to all for your replies and advice. Very tough choice to make I tell you.
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Paul

As I told Black in a PM, I heard that last year many SPILS students reveived offers from white shoe firms, Californian law firms, World Bank, etc. This should not be a problem...

As I told Black in a PM, I heard that last year many SPILS students reveived offers from white shoe firms, Californian law firms, World Bank, etc. This should not be a problem...
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shearman

Go to Standford, 100% sure.

Go to Standford, 100% sure.
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black

hey all
many people tell me that it s easier to find a job in NY when you graduate from Columbia LLM than from Stanford SPILS? I cannot get it since Stanford is higher in law school rankings and being good at academics does not mean you 're bad at writing a brief or contract, no? Does anyone know about career prospects for Stanford SPILS and their participation to career forums with the other top law schools in NY around January I believe? Thanks for your help. Few days left to decide.

hey all
many people tell me that it s easier to find a job in NY when you graduate from Columbia LLM than from Stanford SPILS? I cannot get it since Stanford is higher in law school rankings and being good at academics does not mean you 're bad at writing a brief or contract, no? Does anyone know about career prospects for Stanford SPILS and their participation to career forums with the other top law schools in NY around January I believe? Thanks for your help. Few days left to decide.
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keyif

I think Stanford SPILS is more academic while Columbia's program is more practical. Students enrolling in Stanford SPILS are expected to teach law at their home countries in general. I think you are right, it is easier to land a job in NYC after graduation than in any other place in the US. Though Standford has an extremely good name, you need to take your career aupiration into account. I suggest you read in detail the courses offered by these two schools and thinak about what is more suitable for you. You won't go wrong either way. Stanford is TOP 3 in almost every area while Columbia is prestigious and among Ivy leagues.

I think Stanford SPILS is more academic while Columbia's program is more practical. Students enrolling in Stanford SPILS are expected to teach law at their home countries in general. I think you are right, it is easier to land a job in NYC after graduation than in any other place in the US. Though Standford has an extremely good name, you need to take your career aupiration into account. I suggest you read in detail the courses offered by these two schools and thinak about what is more suitable for you. You won't go wrong either way. Stanford is TOP 3 in almost every area while Columbia is prestigious and among Ivy leagues.
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Paul

Dude, to turn down Stanford for Columbia is just a huge mistake. You will be probably be first student to do that...don't worry, jobs will come.

Dude, to turn down Stanford for Columbia is just a huge mistake. You will be probably be first student to do that...don't worry, jobs will come.
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