Berkeley Admission decisions 2009/2010


Destiny09

I was accepted by UC hastings today at the same time. (...) Do you think the three universites, berkley, hastings and Davis, share the information about applicants? (...) Please give us more information about this problem.


I find it highly unlikely that these three universities share information about their pool of applicants and potential ll.m. students. Of course, I have no insights in the functioning of their admission offices but two things let me doubt your assumption: a) data privacy laws (of course, no clue about the details of US privacy laws, but if they are in any way comparable to the German standards, than sharing personal information with other universities would require your previous and explicit consent b) university competition both for excellent students and their money - why should they try to artificially adjust the pool of their applicants, especially since Berkeley is ranked so much higher than Hastings and Davis.

Any thoughts on my arguments?


I think you're right - there's antitrust laws too to worry about.

<blockquote><blockquote>I was accepted by UC hastings today at the same time. (...) Do you think the three universites, berkley, hastings and Davis, share the information about applicants? (...) Please give us more information about this problem.
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I find it highly unlikely that these three universities share information about their pool of applicants and potential ll.m. students. Of course, I have no insights in the functioning of their admission offices but two things let me doubt your assumption: a) data privacy laws (of course, no clue about the details of US privacy laws, but if they are in any way comparable to the German standards, than sharing personal information with other universities would require your previous and explicit consent b) university competition both for excellent students and their money - why should they try to artificially adjust the pool of their applicants, especially since Berkeley is ranked so much higher than Hastings and Davis.

Any thoughts on my arguments?</blockquote>

I think you're right - there's antitrust laws too to worry about.
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Bixente

Is there any rejection, or berkeley just released the acceptance notice?

Regards

Is there any rejection, or berkeley just released the acceptance notice?

Regards
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Applyin

Since Berkeley's decisions are not made on a rolling basis, but at a single "decision making" get togehter by the admissions committe, and given the fact that these decisions where communicated by email, i am assuming that all first-round acceptance decisions went out already (using their automated communications system).

If you haven't received an acceptance e-mail yet, this most likely means that you were not accepted as of first-instance, and hence, have either been rejected or waitlisted (and will receive communication relating such accordingly).

if you are an outright rejection, my guess is that such communication is forthcoming shortly, if you were waitlisted, then depending on how many accepted applicants communicate their desire to accept the offer prior to or by the March 19 deadline, then you will need to wait until then, to see if any vacancies become avaialable.

I had applied too, but did not receive an acceptance email, so, i will assume that i have been either rejected or waitlisted.

Since Berkeley's decisions are not made on a rolling basis, but at a single "decision making" get togehter by the admissions committe, and given the fact that these decisions where communicated by email, i am assuming that all first-round acceptance decisions went out already (using their automated communications system).

If you haven't received an acceptance e-mail yet, this most likely means that you were not accepted as of first-instance, and hence, have either been rejected or waitlisted (and will receive communication relating such accordingly).

if you are an outright rejection, my guess is that such communication is forthcoming shortly, if you were waitlisted, then depending on how many accepted applicants communicate their desire to accept the offer prior to or by the March 19 deadline, then you will need to wait until then, to see if any vacancies become avaialable.

I had applied too, but did not receive an acceptance email, so, i will assume that i have been either rejected or waitlisted.
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Applyin

"I think you're right - there's antitrust laws too to worry about."

WHAT???????

what anti-trust laws are you talking about??? The UC system is a state-run and chartered, not-for-profit, education system, which anti-trust rules have jurisdiction over it? short answer = None.

Let's drop the conspiracy theoried-over-lawyering of the matter.

You probably got the UC Davis response because being part of the UC system (as Berkeley) they probably follow the same decision-making calendar relating their LL.M programs. You did not hear from Berkeley simply because they will not offer you admission or you have been waitlisted pending receipt of decisions from accepted applicants.

"I think you're right - there's antitrust laws too to worry about."</blockquote>

WHAT???????

what anti-trust laws are you talking about??? The UC system is a state-run and chartered, not-for-profit, education system, which anti-trust rules have jurisdiction over it? short answer = None.

Let's drop the conspiracy theoried-over-lawyering of the matter.

You probably got the UC Davis response because being part of the UC system (as Berkeley) they probably follow the same decision-making calendar relating their LL.M programs. You did not hear from Berkeley simply because they will not offer you admission or you have been waitlisted pending receipt of decisions from accepted applicants.
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fc

WHAT???????

what anti-trust laws are you talking about??? The UC system is a state-run and chartered, not-for-profit, education system, which anti-trust rules have jurisdiction over it? short answer = None.



I don't know what you are talking about. But in EU the antitrust law applies to private companies in the same way it applies to public sectors, even to states/community and city laws. It is clearly more regulated then US. It doesn't matter if it is a "state" or "chartered" system. Learn something in UK or Brussels about it.

<blockquote> WHAT???????

what anti-trust laws are you talking about??? The UC system is a state-run and chartered, not-for-profit, education system, which anti-trust rules have jurisdiction over it? short answer = None.</blockquote>


I don't know what you are talking about. But in EU the antitrust law applies to private companies in the same way it applies to public sectors, even to states/community and city laws. It is clearly more regulated then US. It doesn't matter if it is a "state" or "chartered" system. Learn something in UK or Brussels about it.
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Applyin

WHAT???????

what anti-trust laws are you talking about??? The UC system is a state-run and chartered, not-for-profit, education system, which anti-trust rules have jurisdiction over it? short answer = None.



I don't know what you are talking about. But in EU the antitrust law applies to private companies in the same way it applies to public sectors, even to states/community and city laws. It is clearly more regulated then US. It doesn't matter if it is a "state" or "chartered" system. Learn something in UK or Brussels about it.



Lesson in Geography: these universitiies are located in the US (state of California), not in EU, Brussels, or the UK.

Lesson on Jurisidiction and Applicable Law: hence, they are subject to California (state) and US Federal (i.e. educational, privacy, and anti-trust) laws. Before you make comments about applicable law, just stop for a moment to think WHICH is the applicable law. The Anti-trust laws in the US do not apply to state entities.

<blockquote><blockquote> WHAT???????

what anti-trust laws are you talking about??? The UC system is a state-run and chartered, not-for-profit, education system, which anti-trust rules have jurisdiction over it? short answer = None.</blockquote>


I don't know what you are talking about. But in EU the antitrust law applies to private companies in the same way it applies to public sectors, even to states/community and city laws. It is clearly more regulated then US. It doesn't matter if it is a "state" or "chartered" system. Learn something in UK or Brussels about it.</blockquote>



Lesson in Geography: these universitiies are located in the US (state of California), not in EU, Brussels, or the UK.

Lesson on Jurisidiction and Applicable Law: hence, they are subject to California (state) and US Federal (i.e. educational, privacy, and anti-trust) laws. Before you make comments about applicable law, just stop for a moment to think WHICH is the applicable law. The Anti-trust laws in the US do not apply to state entities.
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Destiny09

Thanks, fc, the guy may not know about the notion of undertakings within the EU. So for US purposes you may refer our over-lawyering friend to US decisions such as the NCAA (468 US 85 (1984), National Society of Professional Engineers (435 US 679 (1978), or BMI (441 US 1 (1979).

I guess this is a case of look before you leap. So we close by referring him/her to this: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DC1439F930A3575AC0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Thanks, fc, the guy may not know about the notion of undertakings within the EU. So for US purposes you may refer our over-lawyering friend to US decisions such as the NCAA (468 US 85 (1984), National Society of Professional Engineers (435 US 679 (1978), or BMI (441 US 1 (1979).

I guess this is a case of look before you leap. So we close by referring him/her to this: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DC1439F930A3575AC0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

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Applyin

Thanks, fc, the guy may not know about the notion of undertakings within the EU. So for US purposes you may refer our over-lawyering friend to US decisions such as the NCAA (468 US 85 (1984), National Society of Professional Engineers (435 US 679 (1978), or BMI (441 US 1 (1979).

I guess this is a case of look before you leap. So we close by referring him/her to this: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DC1439F930A3575AC0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all



i guess you need to horn your legal research skills, this case was overtuned on appeal by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, read the opinion of Judge Weiss, especially the part where he states that the reason for his (and the court's unanimous decision to reverse and remand of the lower court's decision is that "the Sherman Act does not apply to this case".

Read the case, please, do yourself a favor

<blockquote>Thanks, fc, the guy may not know about the notion of undertakings within the EU. So for US purposes you may refer our over-lawyering friend to US decisions such as the NCAA (468 US 85 (1984), National Society of Professional Engineers (435 US 679 (1978), or BMI (441 US 1 (1979).

I guess this is a case of look before you leap. So we close by referring him/her to this: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DC1439F930A3575AC0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

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i guess you need to horn your legal research skills, this case was overtuned on appeal by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, read the opinion of Judge Weiss, especially the part where he states that the reason for his (and the court's unanimous decision to reverse and remand of the lower court's decision is that "the Sherman Act does not apply to this case".

Read the case, please, do yourself a favor
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Destiny09

Your argument was simply on the application of antitrust rules to economic entities...now you're turning it into a new case study.

Good luck with your applicatons because you really NEED it.

Your argument was simply on the application of antitrust rules to economic entities...now you're turning it into a new case study.

Good luck with your applicatons because you really NEED it.
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Destiny09

BTW, you were wrong on that too - a consent decree was reached (with others) and the DOJ (Antitrust Division) dropped the case against MIT after behind-the-scenes negotiations.
http://tech.mit.edu/Bulletins/ovrlp-pr.html

Really, good luck!

BTW, you were wrong on that too - a consent decree was reached (with others) and the DOJ (Antitrust Division) dropped the case against MIT after behind-the-scenes negotiations.
http://tech.mit.edu/Bulletins/ovrlp-pr.html

Really, good luck!
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Applyin

Your argument was simply on the application of antitrust rules to economic entities...now you're turning it into a new case study.

Good luck with your applicatons because you really NEED it.


The Shearman Act is the building block of the US Anti-trust system, in short, the court found unanimously that the anti-trust provisions do not apply to this case. i thought I summarize it for you, since, again, you just don't get it.

i ain't no fortune teller but your "Destiny" for Berkeley "09" seems to be a rejection. Good luck with your endeavors.

<blockquote>Your argument was simply on the application of antitrust rules to economic entities...now you're turning it into a new case study.

Good luck with your applicatons because you really NEED it.</blockquote>

The Shearman Act is the building block of the US Anti-trust system, in short, the court found unanimously that the anti-trust provisions do not apply to this case. i thought I summarize it for you, since, again, you just don't get it.

i ain't no fortune teller but your "Destiny" for Berkeley "09" seems to be a rejection. Good luck with your endeavors.
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Destiny09

Mate, sorry to disappoint you...I couldn't see myself in Berkeley...no offense to a great institution.

Mate, sorry to disappoint you...I couldn't see myself in Berkeley...no offense to a great institution.
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Destiny09

BTW, you need to go back to elementary school and learn how to read and understand. If you can't understand an article from the New York Times or a press release from a university, you have no hope of prospering as a lawyer. I really think you should forget about doing an LLM - if that's your choice.

BTW, you need to go back to elementary school and learn how to read and understand. If you can't understand an article from the New York Times or a press release from a university, you have no hope of prospering as a lawyer. I really think you should forget about doing an LLM - if that's your choice.
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Inactive User

the bitching had to start...lol

the bitching had to start...lol
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Applyin

the bitching had to start...lol


:O)

<blockquote>the bitching had to start...lol</blockquote>

:O)
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Destiny09

That's to ensure you look before you leap, Mr Judge.

That's to ensure you look before you leap, Mr Judge.
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Inactive User

At the end of the day there is always a law school for everyone!!!

So if it is not Berkeley for some...it will be say UT for others and so forth.... :)

At the end of the day there is always a law school for everyone!!!

So if it is not Berkeley for some...it will be say UT for others and so forth.... :)


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Destiny09

@Pedrinus

Mourinho finally got a great job now...are you still looking for that training contract?

@Pedrinus

Mourinho finally got a great job now...are you still looking for that training contract?
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Destiny09

Well Congrats...make sure you watch Inter v. Man U next Wed....Muntari to score in the last minutes....

Well Congrats...make sure you watch Inter v. Man U next Wed....Muntari to score in the last minutes....
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