2010 U.S. News Rankings


Gloss
Hey Stagista, forget about it... say hi to Posner for me! Enjoy your summer in Chicago... you deserve it! But be prepared for the winter there... and be prepared to answer lots of questions because my friends from Chicago say they love the socratic method there... CIAU MI AMICO, BUONA SORTE!
Hey Stagista, forget about it... say hi to Posner for me! Enjoy your summer in Chicago... you deserve it! But be prepared for the winter there... and be prepared to answer lots of questions because my friends from Chicago say they love the socratic method there... CIAU MI AMICO, BUONA SORTE!
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anyway, i do doubt real academic told u to avoid nyu, what country is that u're coming from? u sure they didn't try to apply as scholar visitiors like the 1000's that try to every year and were rejected..


You're right - the HYS trained SJDs who taught me obviously had a life ambition of being scholar visitors at your school. You're right, despite the close-to-unanimous view to the contrary in the earlier posts in this thread, your school is the best one. Let me know which other schools you've gone to as well so that I can unconditionally praise them as well and further feed your need for self-assurance.
<blockquote> anyway, i do doubt real academic told u to avoid nyu, what country is that u're coming from? u sure they didn't try to apply as scholar visitiors like the 1000's that try to every year and were rejected..</blockquote>

You're right - the HYS trained SJDs who taught me obviously had a life ambition of being scholar visitors at your school. You're right, despite the close-to-unanimous view to the contrary in the earlier posts in this thread, your school is the best one. Let me know which other schools you've gone to as well so that I can unconditionally praise them as well and further feed your need for self-assurance.
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Syniu1
you're acting like an idiot, and from the look of your history, it's something you're doing in all threads you're engaged at... i never said that "my" school was the best or that it's "life ambition", but you're obviously a liar... a liar about academics telling you nyu sux, liar about standford alumnu, a liar about a lot of stuff... so yeah, i really need self assurance yeah right. welcome to the real world. People that were "trained" by Harvard would still be very happy to teach at NYU. It's the fourth/fifth whatever best school in the country and a lot of professors who previously taught at Harvard (the great Arthur Miller for example, Ryan Goodman is another recent one, and there are plenty) or Yale (Yoshino) move to NYU. Some perhaps move the different direction. This is what they do, they move around the best schools in the country. Idiot.
you're acting like an idiot, and from the look of your history, it's something you're doing in all threads you're engaged at... i never said that "my" school was the best or that it's "life ambition", but you're obviously a liar... a liar about academics telling you nyu sux, liar about standford alumnu, a liar about a lot of stuff... so yeah, i really need self assurance yeah right. welcome to the real world. People that were "trained" by Harvard would still be very happy to teach at NYU. It's the fourth/fifth whatever best school in the country and a lot of professors who previously taught at Harvard (the great Arthur Miller for example, Ryan Goodman is another recent one, and there are plenty) or Yale (Yoshino) move to NYU. Some perhaps move the different direction. This is what they do, they move around the best schools in the country. Idiot.
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Syniu1
Prof. Choi, one of the leading in the world in the area of m&a and securities, is at NYU, studied his bachelor at Harvard, his JD at harvard ,(which I hear he finished first in class) his PhD at Harvard, and guess what he chose NYU (he was a visiting professor in Yale, Harvard, Chicago...) so yeah nyu sux don't go here... they just have some of the best professors in the country, some of the best practitioners, some of the great alumni, some of the best facilities, location, great career office, some of the highest graded jd's, some of the best llm's, ranked no1 in tax,international, and ranked usually high in other areas, and is consistently ranked in the top 5 overall and aiming higher. don't do that horrible. listen to this dodo here.... who doesn't say where he came from, what he wants, just that he thinks there's Harvard and nothing else I guess or maybe i have a feeling he was rejected by nyu and is really pissed off.. .he'll say he's going to harvard of course.
Prof. Choi, one of the leading in the world in the area of m&a and securities, is at NYU, studied his bachelor at Harvard, his JD at harvard ,(which I hear he finished first in class) his PhD at Harvard, and guess what he chose NYU (he was a visiting professor in Yale, Harvard, Chicago...) so yeah nyu sux don't go here... they just have some of the best professors in the country, some of the best practitioners, some of the great alumni, some of the best facilities, location, great career office, some of the highest graded jd's, some of the best llm's, ranked no1 in tax,international, and ranked usually high in other areas, and is consistently ranked in the top 5 overall and aiming higher. don't do that horrible. listen to this dodo here.... who doesn't say where he came from, what he wants, just that he thinks there's Harvard and nothing else I guess or maybe i have a feeling he was rejected by nyu and is really pissed off.. .he'll say he's going to harvard of course.
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they just have some of the best professors in the country, some of the best practitioners, some of the great alumni, some of the best facilities, location, great career office, some of the highest graded jd's, some of the best llm's, ranked no1 in tax,international, and ranked usually high in other areas, and is consistently ranked in the top 5 overall and aiming higher.


just that he thinks there's Harvard and nothing else I guess or maybe i have a feeling he was rejected by nyu and is really pissed off.. .he'll say he's going to harvard of course.


I wouldnt for a second doubt Prof Chois credentials (hes an amazing academic and I know of quite a few people who worked under him who had a blast of a time). I also wouldnt doubt for a second that every single decent academic institution has a few professors with equally stellar credentials. That doesnt say anything about each of the institutions but the comment I reproduced above to me at least does not in any way denigrate from my earlier comment on your biased thought process (which as far as I can tell is as follows: I am going to Institution X accordingly, institution X is the best in the world). You say that you are not saying that NYU is the best in the world (because you know that might be difficult to justify), but you then proceed to state that NYU is the best in everything it does, which forces the very conclusion you concede you cannot make.

I think the lack of intellectual rigor in your reasoning is most evident from the fact that you would assume Im from HLS (because of a previous RESPECTFUL debate I had with Gloss [on the merits and demerits of HLS and SLS], whom views I respect immensely but whom I nonetheless am happy to debate as a mature adult), thereafter since you argue Im rejected by NYU, you realize that by logical extension, I couldnt have been from HLS and therefore end off by dismissively saying he'll say he's going to harvard of course. So which am I, in or out? You seem willing to push any argument that buttresses your point, however contradictory it may be with your previous points. I would have found such logical leaps funny if I didnt find it sad.

Im not saying NYU is a bad school its one of the best in the US of course. Im also not saying that NYU doesnt have good students or good profs if the people Ive come across are any indication, they are well-balanced and wonderful human beings (though none of them for obvious reasons would be caught dead arguing its the best school in the world in the incoherent and biased manner that you have), not to mention awfully smart people as well (as you would expect in any T10 school). I cant say you exhibit any of these attributes however, and I am sorry if any of my comments touched a raw nerve since it seems to me you live in fear that one day you realize that you are not the best, and the reality can often be harsh and painful. In short, grow up. The faster, the better. NYU's a great school but if people like you represent its future, then I fear its future is not likely to be particularly promising.
<blockquote> they just have some of the best professors in the country, some of the best practitioners, some of the great alumni, some of the best facilities, location, great career office, some of the highest graded jd's, some of the best llm's, ranked no1 in tax,international, and ranked usually high in other areas, and is consistently ranked in the top 5 overall and aiming higher. </blockquote>

<blockquote> just that he thinks there's Harvard and nothing else I guess or maybe i have a feeling he was rejected by nyu and is really pissed off.. .he'll say he's going to harvard of course.
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I wouldn’t for a second doubt Prof Choi’s credentials (he’s an amazing academic and I know of quite a few people who worked under him who had a blast of a time). I also wouldn’t doubt for a second that every single decent academic institution has a few professors with equally stellar credentials. That doesn’t say anything about each of the institutions but the comment I reproduced above to me at least does not in any way denigrate from my earlier comment on your biased thought process (which as far as I can tell is as follows: I am going to Institution X – accordingly, institution X is the best in the world). You say that you are not saying that NYU is the best in the world (because you know that might be difficult to justify), but you then proceed to state that NYU is the best in everything it does, which forces the very conclusion you concede you cannot make.

I think the lack of intellectual rigor in your reasoning is most evident from the fact that you would assume I’m from HLS (because of a previous RESPECTFUL debate I had with Gloss [on the merits and demerits of HLS and SLS], whom views I respect immensely but whom I nonetheless am happy to debate as a mature adult), thereafter since you argue I’m rejected by NYU, you realize that by logical extension, I couldn’t have been from HLS and therefore end off by dismissively saying “he'll say he's going to harvard of course”. So which am I, in or out? You seem willing to push any argument that buttresses your point, however contradictory it may be with your previous points. I would have found such logical leaps funny if I didn’t find it sad.

I’m not saying NYU is a bad school – it’s one of the best in the US of course. I’m also not saying that NYU doesn’t have good students or good profs – if the people I’ve come across are any indication, they are well-balanced and wonderful human beings (though none of them for obvious reasons would be caught dead arguing “it’s the best school in the world” in the incoherent and biased manner that you have), not to mention awfully smart people as well (as you would expect in any T10 school). I can’t say you exhibit any of these attributes however, and I am sorry if any of my comments touched a raw nerve since it seems to me you live in fear that one day you realize that you are not the best, and the reality can often be harsh and painful. In short, grow up. The faster, the better. NYU's a great school but if people like you represent its future, then I fear its future is not likely to be particularly promising.
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Syniu1
sorry i'm not going to waste my time reading your drivel... yeah hls is cool, nyu sux. ok. go argue with someone else, you seem to like it. it doesn't change that you're an idiot.

instead of saying nyu sux in every thread try to give respect to some other institutions. I think nyu is one of the best schools in the u.s, u.s news thinks so too and so do most people in the legal world. I never said nyu is the best, obviously harvard and yale and perhaps Stanford are more prestigious, and there are many other great schools in T10, T14 and also beyond. i shiver when i consider the possibility though that harvard went so low as to accept someone like you, and therefore i highly doubt it... like i said, u're an nyu rejected brat spewing your hatred, ok we get it. Now I skimmed through your post nevertheless and saw that you didn't address any of the points... you said your ignorant lying thoughts about the professors, you were refuted, and you moved on... .you always lose your arguments so easily. you won't make a good lawyer i can assure you of that. for one thing - you're a liar, and that's an ethical problem with lawyers. secondly, you keep evading addressing the points and you use strawman arguments. You're pathetic. That's all there is to it.
sorry i'm not going to waste my time reading your drivel... yeah hls is cool, nyu sux. ok. go argue with someone else, you seem to like it. it doesn't change that you're an idiot.

instead of saying nyu sux in every thread try to give respect to some other institutions. I think nyu is one of the best schools in the u.s, u.s news thinks so too and so do most people in the legal world. I never said nyu is the best, obviously harvard and yale and perhaps Stanford are more prestigious, and there are many other great schools in T10, T14 and also beyond. i shiver when i consider the possibility though that harvard went so low as to accept someone like you, and therefore i highly doubt it... like i said, u're an nyu rejected brat spewing your hatred, ok we get it. Now I skimmed through your post nevertheless and saw that you didn't address any of the points... you said your ignorant lying thoughts about the professors, you were refuted, and you moved on... .you always lose your arguments so easily. you won't make a good lawyer i can assure you of that. for one thing - you're a liar, and that's an ethical problem with lawyers. secondly, you keep evading addressing the points and you use strawman arguments. You're pathetic. That's all there is to it.
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loop_
I think some prospective NYU students get a little defensive on this forum because we keep reading about other individuals putting NYU down and dismissing it as a 'second tier' school or otherwise, politely or not.

It does grate, and it also got me thinking. Is this true? So, I decided to search for some of the opinions of Americans who might actually be more familiar with the situation there, and I found a brief thread on NYU v Columbia:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4019145.0.html

I was less concerned with the content of the thread, but noted that the tone of the discussion was very different (basically, it assumed that both institutions were on a level footing). You can take what you will from it...
I think some prospective NYU students get a little defensive on this forum because we keep reading about other individuals putting NYU down and dismissing it as a 'second tier' school or otherwise, politely or not.

It does grate, and it also got me thinking. Is this true? So, I decided to search for some of the opinions of Americans who might actually be more familiar with the situation there, and I found a brief thread on NYU v Columbia:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4019145.0.html

I was less concerned with the content of the thread, but noted that the tone of the discussion was very different (basically, it assumed that both institutions were on a level footing). You can take what you will from it...
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wolla
Fellas/girls!

Enjoy that you have been admitted to your respective law schools and stop this cockfight! Attacking/defending each others choice of schools does not affect the quality of your respective choices in any way!

Save your energy! :)
Fellas/girls!

Enjoy that you have been admitted to your respective law schools and stop this cockfight! Attacking/defending each others choice of schools does not affect the quality of your respective choices in any way!

Save your energy! :)

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Syniu1
I think some prospective NYU students get a little defensive on this forum because we keep reading about other individuals putting NYU down and dismissing it as a 'second tier' school or otherwise, politely or not.

It does grate, and it also got me thinking. Is this true? So, I decided to search for some of the opinions of Americans who might actually be more familiar with the situation there, and I found a brief thread on NYU v Columbia:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4019145.0.html

I was less concerned with the content of the thread, but noted that the tone of the discussion was very different (basically, it assumed that both institutions were on a level footing). You can take what you will from it...


very good post... I totally agree with you. this puts the comments of neverdoneanyresearch in an even more ridiculous light... (if it was possible to make him look even more stupid)

Fellas/girls!

Enjoy that you have been admitted to your respective law schools and stop this cockfight! Attacking/defending each others choice of schools does not affect the quality of your respective choices in any way!

Save your energy! :)



and I totally agree with this as well. It's very weird that someone here who was already caught lying about stanford alumni and other issues thinks he's convincing anyone by saying nyu (!) sux (he went as far as saying academic people told him to avoid it lol. he even recommended people to go to cls instead of nyu because of class size which is ignorance at best... they are both large programs (harvard too) and have the same numbers in a random class, in contrast to small programs like stanford, yale and chicago) and having nothing to back it up... after been proven wrong, he moves on with strawman arguments trying to change subjects.
<blockquote>I think some prospective NYU students get a little defensive on this forum because we keep reading about other individuals putting NYU down and dismissing it as a 'second tier' school or otherwise, politely or not.

It does grate, and it also got me thinking. Is this true? So, I decided to search for some of the opinions of Americans who might actually be more familiar with the situation there, and I found a brief thread on NYU v Columbia:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4019145.0.html

I was less concerned with the content of the thread, but noted that the tone of the discussion was very different (basically, it assumed that both institutions were on a level footing). You can take what you will from it... </blockquote>

very good post... I totally agree with you. this puts the comments of neverdoneanyresearch in an even more ridiculous light... (if it was possible to make him look even more stupid)

<blockquote>Fellas/girls!

Enjoy that you have been admitted to your respective law schools and stop this cockfight! Attacking/defending each others choice of schools does not affect the quality of your respective choices in any way!

Save your energy! :)

</blockquote>

and I totally agree with this as well. It's very weird that someone here who was already caught lying about stanford alumni and other issues thinks he's convincing anyone by saying nyu (!) sux (he went as far as saying academic people told him to avoid it lol. he even recommended people to go to cls instead of nyu because of class size which is ignorance at best... they are both large programs (harvard too) and have the same numbers in a random class, in contrast to small programs like stanford, yale and chicago) and having nothing to back it up... after been proven wrong, he moves on with strawman arguments trying to change subjects.
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yasminm
Syniu1, with the greatest respect, stop feeding the argument. I don't agree with doyouresearch and his views, and I think he argued them too passionately (and was a little offensive in doing it too), but your comments are clearly meant to incite a response from him. What this means is that in a few hours time, he'd probably log on and attack you again; and you'd attack him again. Both of you pretend to have a debate when both of you are acting as childish kids. He's not being a good ambassador for his school, but god knows you're not being a great one either. Although it doesn't matter to me since I don't plan on doing a second Masters anytime soon, if I were looking for a masters, I'd be really turned off going to any school either of you go to if you happen to be the representative model student. Sorry - but I'm just getting really sick and tired of the childish comments from both doyouresearch and Syniu1. Every well-meaning comment from a third party gets spun into "support" for your side by both of you when none of it bloody is. I like to think I'm generally fair-minded but for the love of god, stop.
Syniu1, with the greatest respect, stop feeding the argument. I don't agree with doyouresearch and his views, and I think he argued them too passionately (and was a little offensive in doing it too), but your comments are clearly meant to incite a response from him. What this means is that in a few hours time, he'd probably log on and attack you again; and you'd attack him again. Both of you pretend to have a debate when both of you are acting as childish kids. He's not being a good ambassador for his school, but god knows you're not being a great one either. Although it doesn't matter to me since I don't plan on doing a second Masters anytime soon, if I were looking for a masters, I'd be really turned off going to any school either of you go to if you happen to be the representative model student. Sorry - but I'm just getting really sick and tired of the childish comments from both doyouresearch and Syniu1. Every well-meaning comment from a third party gets spun into "support" for your side by both of you when none of it bloody is. I like to think I'm generally fair-minded but for the love of god, stop.
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Syniu1
yeah, ok, i don't really care anyway. Godspeed yasminm.
yeah, ok, i don't really care anyway. Godspeed yasminm.
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Hedek
US News ranking since 1987 in one picture: http://x70.xanga.com/15af7060c1c30240353373/b185577034.png

Edit: and I insist on relinking Professor Seto's study. It's a must read to anyone who gives any weight to the US News ranking: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=937017
US News ranking since 1987 in one picture: http://x70.xanga.com/15af7060c1c30240353373/b185577034.png

Edit: and I insist on relinking Professor Seto's study. It's a must read to anyone who gives any weight to the US News ranking: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=937017
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nicolas_a
I don't think cls acceptance rate is closer to hys rates than nyus
I don't think cls acceptance rate is closer to hys rates than nyus
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Santa
Little bit excited for the new rankings: )
Little bit excited for the new rankings: )
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Hedek
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I don't think cls acceptance rate is closer to hys rates than nyus


Check out the US World Reports and http://www.llm-guide.com/board/67672/1
<blockquote>I don't think cls acceptance rate is closer to hys rates than nyus</blockquote>

Check out the US World Reports and http://www.llm-guide.com/board/67672/1
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Santa
Little bit excited for the new rankings: )


http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/15951/28075551.jpg
Legit?

Hope not :--)
<blockquote><blockquote>Little bit excited for the new rankings: )</blockquote>

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/15951/28075551.jpg
Legit? </blockquote>
Hope not :--)
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Hedek
Hope not :--)
Looks plausible to me. Most surprising moves are Duke and George Washington.

Spotted at
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69124
and
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=979129&mc=167&forum_id=2
<blockquote>Hope not :--)</blockquote>Looks plausible to me. Most surprising moves are Duke and George Washington.

Spotted at
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69124
and
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=979129&mc=167&forum_id=2
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Santa
UVA has to go up, not down :s
UVA has to go up, not down :s
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wolla
UVA has to go up, not down :s


Don't worry :) The general concensus appears to be that it is fake.
<blockquote>UVA has to go up, not down :s</blockquote>

Don't worry :) The general concensus appears to be that it is fake.
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