The 2012 Cambridge Thread


still haven't heard. Can't believe how long this is taking... has anyone been accepted to the LLM in the last week or so?
Anyway, you have to wait at most till mid-April, so it is just about another month.

<blockquote>still haven't heard. Can't believe how long this is taking... has anyone been accepted to the LLM in the last week or so?</blockquote>Anyway, you have to wait at most till mid-April, so it is just about another month.
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Kuoriver

I got an offer via mail from Suzanne Wade on Monday 12th March

I got an offer via mail from Suzanne Wade on Monday 12th March
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mra

I got an offer via mail from Suzanne Wade on Monday 12th March


Congratulation! Is it an offer for the LLM or the MCL program?

<blockquote>I got an offer via mail from Suzanne Wade on Monday 12th March</blockquote>

Congratulation! Is it an offer for the LLM or the MCL program?
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Kuoriver

LLM

LLM
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regulare

As the deadline to pay the reservation fee for the Cambridge MCL is only 9 days away, I would like to ask for a few opinions about my programme choice (especially but not only from people facing the same "dilemma").

I have offers for the Cambridge MCL and the LLM as well as the Oxford MLF and the MJur.
Content-wise the MCL would definitely be my first choice. I am extremely interested in financial and corporate regulation as well as corporate taxation. Besides, the small group setting really seems like an amazing opportunity (and the MCL seems more focused on law than the Oxford MLF; I have already taken basic finance and econ courses in my previous studies).
However, I do not know if it is worth the additional 12.000 GBP compared to the LLM (by far the cheapest of the 4 programmes). Particularly, since I will only find out about scholarships in the beginning of June. If I will not be able to obtain any scholarship, I will have to take out a loan for the whole costs.

Down the road, I am not 100% sure what I will end up doing for a living. But ideally, I would want to stay in academia at least for a bit longer (possibilities would be there in my home country); of course, academia probably would not cover the loan.

If of any interest: I am from Germany and Cambridge seems to have a slightly higher reputation here in law circles than Oxford. However, for some reason to me the Oxford MJur has a bit more appeal than the Cambridge LLM (maybe due to the tutorial system and the courses).

Any advice?!?

As the deadline to pay the reservation fee for the Cambridge MCL is only 9 days away, I would like to ask for a few opinions about my programme choice (especially but not only from people facing the same "dilemma").

I have offers for the Cambridge MCL and the LLM as well as the Oxford MLF and the MJur.
Content-wise the MCL would definitely be my first choice. I am extremely interested in financial and corporate regulation as well as corporate taxation. Besides, the small group setting really seems like an amazing opportunity (and the MCL seems more focused on law than the Oxford MLF; I have already taken basic finance and econ courses in my previous studies).
However, I do not know if it is worth the additional 12.000 GBP compared to the LLM (by far the cheapest of the 4 programmes). Particularly, since I will only find out about scholarships in the beginning of June. If I will not be able to obtain any scholarship, I will have to take out a loan for the whole costs.

Down the road, I am not 100% sure what I will end up doing for a living. But ideally, I would want to stay in academia at least for a bit longer (possibilities would be there in my home country); of course, academia probably would not cover the loan.

If of any interest: I am from Germany and Cambridge seems to have a slightly higher reputation here in law circles than Oxford. However, for some reason to me the Oxford MJur has a bit more appeal than the Cambridge LLM (maybe due to the tutorial system and the courses).

Any advice?!?
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demi88

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I got an offer via mail from Suzanne Wade on Monday 12th March

Congratulations! but would just like to ask how long had your application been stuck in the "Under Consideration by the Degree Committee"?

<blockquote>I got an offer via mail from Suzanne Wade on Monday 12th March</blockquote>
Congratulations! but would just like to ask how long had your application been stuck in the "Under Consideration by the Degree Committee"?
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regulare


Dear regulare,

[...]

Anyway, which colleges have you put as your preference? How old are you? From which uni did you graduate? Tell us something about you :)

D


Dear demi,
being admitted to the MLF and the LLM is equally impressive. It is funny that you mention the MPI because it would be my dream to work at the MPI (albeit probably the one in Munich) after my masters year.

I definitely concur about Professors Armour and Davies. However, I think that the corporate law faculty at Cambridge can also hold its own. Particularly, with Harvard Law Prof. Jackson visiting, the MCL would offer the unique opportunity to study EU as well as US regulation. All in all, I guess that whatever university one ends up choosing between those two, the faculty will definitely be impressive. :)

About your other point: I am not that intrigued by the economics and finance courses simply for the reason that I already have a degree in "business studies" in addition to my law degree. And I think that the courses on the MLF might thus be rather superficial (although that sounds somewhat wrong speaking about Oxford). However, the tutorial system seems amazing.

A bit about me: I am 27 years old (us Germans seem to be somewhat on the older side :)), studied at a relatively unkown German university, have a business/econ degree besides my general law degree, graduated first in my class, some academic prizes, working as a research fellow at the uni. So nothing too out of the ordinary; I guess the only standout point is that I have one probably rather high profile publication.

You're definitely heading for the MLF, aren't you? Lucky you that you are already decided. :)

<blockquote>
Dear regulare,

[...]

Anyway, which colleges have you put as your preference? How old are you? From which uni did you graduate? Tell us something about you :)

D</blockquote>

Dear demi,
being admitted to the MLF and the LLM is equally impressive. It is funny that you mention the MPI because it would be my dream to work at the MPI (albeit probably the one in Munich) after my masters year.

I definitely concur about Professors Armour and Davies. However, I think that the corporate law faculty at Cambridge can also hold its own. Particularly, with Harvard Law Prof. Jackson visiting, the MCL would offer the unique opportunity to study EU as well as US regulation. All in all, I guess that whatever university one ends up choosing between those two, the faculty will definitely be impressive. :)

About your other point: I am not that intrigued by the economics and finance courses simply for the reason that I already have a degree in "business studies" in addition to my law degree. And I think that the courses on the MLF might thus be rather superficial (although that sounds somewhat wrong speaking about Oxford). However, the tutorial system seems amazing.

A bit about me: I am 27 years old (us Germans seem to be somewhat on the older side :)), studied at a relatively unkown German university, have a business/econ degree besides my general law degree, graduated first in my class, some academic prizes, working as a research fellow at the uni. So nothing too out of the ordinary; I guess the only standout point is that I have one probably rather high profile publication.

You're definitely heading for the MLF, aren't you? Lucky you that you are already decided. :)
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pipiripao

is anyone else waiting?

i mean,

is anyone else waiting with hopes of getting in?

is anyone else waiting?

i mean,

is anyone else waiting with hopes of getting in?
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hejonas

yes, here. I heard that another round of camsis updates would follow tomorrow.. well, who knows

yes, here. I heard that another round of camsis updates would follow tomorrow.. well, who knows
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demi88

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is anyone else waiting?

i mean,

is anyone else waiting with hopes of getting in?
well... to be honest, at this stage I am still waiting with hope to get in, but getting in next year.

<blockquote>is anyone else waiting?

i mean,

is anyone else waiting with hopes of getting in?</blockquote>well... to be honest, at this stage I am still waiting with hope to get in, but getting in next year.
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Yalta008

Hi guys,

My status still reads "Under consideration by the degree committee" and it has been that way since December. I rang the department last week and was informed that my application was currently with the committee and was under review.

I heard from Oxford this morning and was offered a place on the BCL conditional on obtaining a first in my undergraduate degree and heard from NYU yesterday and was also offered a place there.

Hi guys,

My status still reads "Under consideration by the degree committee" and it has been that way since December. I rang the department last week and was informed that my application was currently with the committee and was under review.

I heard from Oxford this morning and was offered a place on the BCL conditional on obtaining a first in my undergraduate degree and heard from NYU yesterday and was also offered a place there.
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hejonas

Hi guys,

My status still reads "Under consideration by the degree committee" and it has been that way since December. I rang the department last week and was informed that my application was currently with the committee and was under review.

I heard from Oxford this morning and was offered a place on the BCL conditional on obtaining a first in my undergraduate degree and heard from NYU yesterday and was also offered a place there.


congratulations Yalta! where are you from?

<blockquote>Hi guys,

My status still reads "Under consideration by the degree committee" and it has been that way since December. I rang the department last week and was informed that my application was currently with the committee and was under review.

I heard from Oxford this morning and was offered a place on the BCL conditional on obtaining a first in my undergraduate degree and heard from NYU yesterday and was also offered a place there.</blockquote>

congratulations Yalta! where are you from?
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Mike84

@ regulare: what is this relatively unknown university? i am from göttingen. why do you think cambridge has a higher reputation in germany than oxford? in my opinion it is the other way round :)

i am just asking because - as well as you and demi88 - i intend to pursue an academic career and therefore want to make the best choice :)

at this stage I got an offer from Oxford (MJur) and am still waiting for an answer from Cambridge.

@ regulare: what is this relatively unknown university? i am from göttingen. why do you think cambridge has a higher reputation in germany than oxford? in my opinion it is the other way round :)

i am just asking because - as well as you and demi88 - i intend to pursue an academic career and therefore want to make the best choice :)

at this stage I got an offer from Oxford (MJur) and am still waiting for an answer from Cambridge.



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regulare

@ regulare: what is this relatively unknown university? i am from göttingen. why do you think cambridge has a higher reputation in germany than oxford? in my opinion it is the other way round :)

i am just asking because - as well as you and demi88 - i intend to pursue an academic career and therefore want to make the best choice :)

at this stage I got an offer from Oxford (MJur) and am still waiting for an answer from Cambridge.


@Mike: Erlangen, I think it is fair to say that it is "relatively unknown" (to put it mildly). But I guess it doesnt matter much for us Germans.

My perception re the higher reputation of Cambridge in Germany might be mistaken. I think it is largely due to the fact/rumour (?) that Cambridge only accepts students with 11.5 and above, whereas Oxford also accepts students with 9 points in the state examinations. However, with regard to academia the tutorial system at Oxford might indeed be an advantage. To be fair, I do not think that one can make a big mistake by choosing one over the other... :)
Good luck on your app for Cambridge!

@demi: Then I'll keep my fingers crossed that we will both be able to obtain substantial scholarships.
Regarding colleges: I have already been admitted to Jesus College for the MCL, my choice for the LLM was Downing. My preferences for Oxford were Balliol and Magdalen. I hope these are good choices. :) What is your dream college for the MLF?
In any case, I am really looking forward to the "college life".

<blockquote>@ regulare: what is this relatively unknown university? i am from göttingen. why do you think cambridge has a higher reputation in germany than oxford? in my opinion it is the other way round :)

i am just asking because - as well as you and demi88 - i intend to pursue an academic career and therefore want to make the best choice :)

at this stage I got an offer from Oxford (MJur) and am still waiting for an answer from Cambridge.
</blockquote>

@Mike: Erlangen, I think it is fair to say that it is "relatively unknown" (to put it mildly). But I guess it doesnt matter much for us Germans.

My perception re the higher reputation of Cambridge in Germany might be mistaken. I think it is largely due to the fact/rumour (?) that Cambridge only accepts students with 11.5 and above, whereas Oxford also accepts students with 9 points in the state examinations. However, with regard to academia the tutorial system at Oxford might indeed be an advantage. To be fair, I do not think that one can make a big mistake by choosing one over the other... :)
Good luck on your app for Cambridge!

@demi: Then I'll keep my fingers crossed that we will both be able to obtain substantial scholarships.
Regarding colleges: I have already been admitted to Jesus College for the MCL, my choice for the LLM was Downing. My preferences for Oxford were Balliol and Magdalen. I hope these are good choices. :) What is your dream college for the MLF?
In any case, I am really looking forward to the "college life".
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besha

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Be careful, Regulare : Magdalen does not accept Mjur student (only BCL, one example of Mjur discrimination in oxford...)

For my part, I have chosen Trinity Hall and Emmanuel (Cambridge LLM). But I have not sent yet my IELTS score, so I think they won't choose me...

Be careful, Regulare : Magdalen does not accept Mjur student (only BCL, one example of Mjur discrimination in oxford...)

For my part, I have chosen Trinity Hall and Emmanuel (Cambridge LLM). But I have not sent yet my IELTS score, so I think they won't choose me...
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Meister

@ regulare: what is this relatively unknown university? i am from göttingen. why do you think cambridge has a higher reputation in germany than oxford? in my opinion it is the other way round :)

i am just asking because - as well as you and demi88 - i intend to pursue an academic career and therefore want to make the best choice :)

at this stage I got an offer from Oxford (MJur) and am still waiting for an answer from Cambridge.


@Mike: Erlangen, I think it is fair to say that it is "relatively unknown" (to put it mildly). But I guess it doesnt matter much for us Germans.

My perception re the higher reputation of Cambridge in Germany might be mistaken. I think it is largely due to the fact/rumour (?) that Cambridge only accepts students with 11.5 and above, whereas Oxford also accepts students with 9 points in the state examinations. However, with regard to academia the tutorial system at Oxford might indeed be an advantage. To be fair, I do not think that one can make a big mistake by choosing one over the other... :)
Good luck on your app for Cambridge!

@demi: Then I'll keep my fingers crossed that we will both be able to obtain substantial scholarships.
Regarding colleges: I have already been admitted to Jesus College for the MCL, my choice for the LLM was Downing. My preferences for Oxford were Balliol and Magdalen. I hope these are good choices. :) What is your dream college for the MLF?
In any case, I am really looking forward to the "college life".

I'm also from Germany and in the comfortable position of being able to choose between Oxford and Cambridge. Sorry about hijacking this thread with this Germany-centred discussion, guys!

As far as reputation in general goes, I've heard the same thing as regulare, i.e. that Cambridge is regarded more highly among German law firms because of its admission standards. Does anybody have more on this? Are the standards actually higher? Has anybody talked to recruiters in law firms or their professors about this? I'm interested in public international law, if anyone has anything specific on that. :)

Interestingly enough, the overall perception in the UK seems to be the other way round, i.e. that Oxford ranks higher simply because for a British student it is harder to get into the BCL than it is to get into Cambridge. Not sure if the same goes for Mjur vs LLM and the specialised courses, though.

Another thing to bear in mind (and that has been mentioned on this or one of the other threads) is that Oxford operates a tutorial system whereas Cambridge doesn't for the LLM. In terms of lifestyle, it's therefore a choice between a great year with a work peak at end (Cam) and a great year with a few more work peaks throughout the year (Ox). As I consider a career in academia, I tend to prefer Ox because I imagine that the tutorials involve closer contact with faculty and because I might use the essays as starting points for potential further research.

I'll make a decision when scholarship and college decisions are out. I don't envy those who have to decide earlier. Would be great if you would stay in touch and let us know how you decided and why. :)

<blockquote><blockquote>@ regulare: what is this relatively unknown university? i am from göttingen. why do you think cambridge has a higher reputation in germany than oxford? in my opinion it is the other way round :)

i am just asking because - as well as you and demi88 - i intend to pursue an academic career and therefore want to make the best choice :)

at this stage I got an offer from Oxford (MJur) and am still waiting for an answer from Cambridge.
</blockquote>

@Mike: Erlangen, I think it is fair to say that it is "relatively unknown" (to put it mildly). But I guess it doesnt matter much for us Germans.

My perception re the higher reputation of Cambridge in Germany might be mistaken. I think it is largely due to the fact/rumour (?) that Cambridge only accepts students with 11.5 and above, whereas Oxford also accepts students with 9 points in the state examinations. However, with regard to academia the tutorial system at Oxford might indeed be an advantage. To be fair, I do not think that one can make a big mistake by choosing one over the other... :)
Good luck on your app for Cambridge!

@demi: Then I'll keep my fingers crossed that we will both be able to obtain substantial scholarships.
Regarding colleges: I have already been admitted to Jesus College for the MCL, my choice for the LLM was Downing. My preferences for Oxford were Balliol and Magdalen. I hope these are good choices. :) What is your dream college for the MLF?
In any case, I am really looking forward to the "college life".</blockquote>
I'm also from Germany and in the comfortable position of being able to choose between Oxford and Cambridge. Sorry about hijacking this thread with this Germany-centred discussion, guys!

As far as reputation in general goes, I've heard the same thing as regulare, i.e. that Cambridge is regarded more highly among German law firms because of its admission standards. Does anybody have more on this? Are the standards actually higher? Has anybody talked to recruiters in law firms or their professors about this? I'm interested in public international law, if anyone has anything specific on that. :)

Interestingly enough, the overall perception in the UK seems to be the other way round, i.e. that Oxford ranks higher simply because for a British student it is harder to get into the BCL than it is to get into Cambridge. Not sure if the same goes for Mjur vs LLM and the specialised courses, though.

Another thing to bear in mind (and that has been mentioned on this or one of the other threads) is that Oxford operates a tutorial system whereas Cambridge doesn't for the LLM. In terms of lifestyle, it's therefore a choice between a great year with a work peak at end (Cam) and a great year with a few more work peaks throughout the year (Ox). As I consider a career in academia, I tend to prefer Ox because I imagine that the tutorials involve closer contact with faculty and because I might use the essays as starting points for potential further research.

I'll make a decision when scholarship and college decisions are out. I don't envy those who have to decide earlier. Would be great if you would stay in touch and let us know how you decided and why. :)
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regulare

So many German wannabe academics. :)))

@Meister: I am no expert on the matter but I heard that Cambridge is supposed to be THE place for international law, and that not only in Europe.

@derdichter: I applied to the DAAD but have not heard anything yet. Stupidly, however, I did not apply to the Studienstiftung because the deadline was too early for me; I havent made up my mind at that time. What about you?

So many German wannabe academics. :)))

@Meister: I am no expert on the matter but I heard that Cambridge is supposed to be THE place for international law, and that not only in Europe.

@derdichter: I applied to the DAAD but have not heard anything yet. Stupidly, however, I did not apply to the Studienstiftung because the deadline was too early for me; I havent made up my mind at that time. What about you?
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