Solicitor in UK


Hello everybody,

I graduated last year in France (bachelor degree in private law) and this year I am in master in exchange program in Netherlands. I applied for Queen Mary and others LLM in Europe. As I would like to become a solicitor in UK in M&A I was wondering whether it was better to apply for a LPC before or after my LLM because I do not have yet any UK diplomas. Moreover, am I eligible for LPC in UK regarding my curriculum ?

Thanks you for your help

Hello everybody,

I graduated last year in France (bachelor degree in private law) and this year I am in master in exchange program in Netherlands. I applied for Queen Mary and others LLM in Europe. As I would like to become a solicitor in UK in M&A I was wondering whether it was better to apply for a LPC before or after my LLM because I do not have yet any UK diplomas. Moreover, am I eligible for LPC in UK regarding my curriculum ?

Thanks you for your help
Dominium

You need to undertake the GDL first (one year) and then continue for the LPC regardless of whether you have an english LLM or not.

You need to undertake the GDL first (one year) and then continue for the LPC regardless of whether you have an english LLM or not.
Floris

If you are from France with a French degree why do you intend to pursue an M&A career in Britain ? Might be easier for you to enter the business in your home country. The UK market is not very promising for foreign lawyers.

If you are from France with a French degree why do you intend to pursue an M&A career in Britain ? Might be easier for you to enter the business in your home country. The UK market is not very promising for foreign lawyers.

I do not want to go back in France and I reckon the common law is moree interesting and creative than french legislation.

I do not want to go back in France and I reckon the common law is moree interesting and creative than french legislation.
Wheretogo_

Hello everybody,

I graduated last year in France (bachelor degree in private law) and this year I am in master in exchange program in Netherlands. I applied for Queen Mary and others LLM in Europe. As I would like to become a solicitor in UK in M&A I was wondering whether it was better to apply for a LPC before or after my LLM because I do not have yet any UK diplomas. Moreover, am I eligible for LPC in UK regarding my curriculum ?

Thanks you for your help


You are yes!!! I would def study the LLM first then the GDL and the LPC = 3 years.

You then need a training contract = 2 years

As the market stands its pretty horrid but if you are lucky you can get it!. As for M&A everyone wants so its going to be though!

Good luck!

<blockquote>Hello everybody,

I graduated last year in France (bachelor degree in private law) and this year I am in master in exchange program in Netherlands. I applied for Queen Mary and others LLM in Europe. As I would like to become a solicitor in UK in M&A I was wondering whether it was better to apply for a LPC before or after my LLM because I do not have yet any UK diplomas. Moreover, am I eligible for LPC in UK regarding my curriculum ?

Thanks you for your help</blockquote>

You are yes!!! I would def study the LLM first then the GDL and the LPC = 3 years.

You then need a training contract = 2 years

As the market stands its pretty horrid but if you are lucky you can get it!. As for M&A everyone wants so its going to be though!

Good luck!
Y.K Thomas

Here we go again with typical English Floris full of diabolical views about foreign lawyers who want to enter the UK Legal industry. People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments. Every reasonable person knows where Floris stands. BNP activist. You are a total disgrace on this forum.What prevents you from seeking job in other jurisdictions if you are good enough as you always try to project yourself?

Here we go again with typical English Floris full of diabolical views about foreign lawyers who want to enter the UK Legal industry. People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments. Every reasonable person knows where Floris stands. BNP activist. You are a total disgrace on this forum.What prevents you from seeking job in other jurisdictions if you are good enough as you always try to project yourself?
Wheretogo_

Here we go again with typical English Floris full of diabolical views about foreign lawyers who want to enter the UK Legal industry. People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments. Every reasonable person knows where Floris stands. BNP activist. You are a total disgrace on this forum.What prevents you from seeking job in other jurisdictions if you are good enough as you always try to project yourself?


I think Floris is a foreign lawyer if you look at previous posts! Maybe I am wrong! Check it out!

<blockquote>Here we go again with typical English Floris full of diabolical views about foreign lawyers who want to enter the UK Legal industry. People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments. Every reasonable person knows where Floris stands. BNP activist. You are a total disgrace on this forum.What prevents you from seeking job in other jurisdictions if you are good enough as you always try to project yourself? </blockquote>

I think Floris is a foreign lawyer if you look at previous posts! Maybe I am wrong! Check it out!
Y.K Thomas

Trust me that Floris is a typical English and forget about his previous posts and profile aimed at deceiving us to presume he is from other country. He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.Floris is a disgrace to the UK.IRL column so far as other continents on the LLM GUIDE are concerned. I hope Floris will be a good asset for the British National Party and I ask him to declare himself as the leader. Nick Grifiths mate!

Trust me that Floris is a typical English and forget about his previous posts and profile aimed at deceiving us to presume he is from other country. He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.Floris is a disgrace to the UK.IRL column so far as other continents on the LLM GUIDE are concerned. I hope Floris will be a good asset for the British National Party and I ask him to declare himself as the leader. Nick Grifiths mate!
Wheretogo_

if that is the case...that is appalling
BNP..yes scary thing...

In the end he/she is just trying to help maybe not the right way.

One thing is true. There is a very high percentage of legal skilled unemployment specially in London and an LLM will not get you a job!

That needs to be absolutely clear to people wishing to try and work in the UK with an LLM. Either they are very experienced or they are willing to go through the whole qualification procedure in the UK which is financially cumbersome and offers no certainty in qualifying.

I always say go for it but bear this in mind and be careful!

if that is the case...that is appalling
BNP..yes scary thing...

In the end he/she is just trying to help maybe not the right way.

One thing is true. There is a very high percentage of legal skilled unemployment specially in London and an LLM will not get you a job!

That needs to be absolutely clear to people wishing to try and work in the UK with an LLM. Either they are very experienced or they are willing to go through the whole qualification procedure in the UK which is financially cumbersome and offers no certainty in qualifying.

I always say go for it but bear this in mind and be careful!
Y.K Thomas

We are living in a competetive world and lawyers must be encouraged to face the modern challenges of the legal industry.People should be encouraged to add values to themselves by doing LLMs or PhDs even if they want to remain as traditional lawyers. Lawyers such as Floris must change their perceptions instantaneously and intergrate with foreign lawyers if they are well educated with better qualifications from well established law Schools in the UK. We must not discriminate against them. Let's give them chance to compete with people like Floris and if he is good enough let him move to a place like the USA. I wonder if he will be able to integrate and succeed at all with his notorious BNP views . Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons". Floris should not be defended in any angle and needs to be condemned by every reasonable lawyer as far as he keeps on with his cynical comments about foreigners.I have been following his comments and I know what I am talking about.

We are living in a competetive world and lawyers must be encouraged to face the modern challenges of the legal industry.People should be encouraged to add values to themselves by doing LLMs or PhDs even if they want to remain as traditional lawyers. Lawyers such as Floris must change their perceptions instantaneously and intergrate with foreign lawyers if they are well educated with better qualifications from well established law Schools in the UK. We must not discriminate against them. Let's give them chance to compete with people like Floris and if he is good enough let him move to a place like the USA. I wonder if he will be able to integrate and succeed at all with his notorious BNP views . Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons". Floris should not be defended in any angle and needs to be condemned by every reasonable lawyer as far as he keeps on with his cynical comments about foreigners.I have been following his comments and I know what I am talking about.
Wheretogo_

maybe you are right....yes!!!!

maybe you are right....yes!!!!
Pit Possum

@ Y.K.Thomas

People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments.

He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.

Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".

No offence, but I think you should see someone...

The only thing you are doing on this forum is personally insulting people who actually try to give prospective students genuine advice, in contrast to proclaiming all that superficial "Go follow your dream!" bullsh*t leading people to spend a lot of money on career paths which, eventually, will lead nowhere in the majority of cases.

@ Y.K.Thomas

“People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments.”

“He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.”

“Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".”

No offence, but I think you should see someone...

The only thing you are doing on this forum is personally insulting people who actually try to give prospective students genuine advice, in contrast to proclaiming all that superficial "Go follow your dream!" bullsh*t leading people to spend a lot of money on career paths which, eventually, will lead nowhere in the majority of cases.
Wheretogo_

@ Y.K.Thomas

People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments.

He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.

Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".

No offence, but I think you should see someone...

The only thing you are doing on this forum is personally insulting people who actually try to give prospective students genuine advice, in contrast to proclaiming all that superficial "Go follow your dream!" bullsh*t leading people to spend a lot of money on career paths which, eventually, will lead nowhere in the majority of cases.


It seems that this advice is on going to the worst law schools in the UK and also questioning people's ability and personal preferences in becoming UK qualified solicitors.

<blockquote>@ Y.K.Thomas

“People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments.”

“He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.”

“Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".”

No offence, but I think you should see someone...

The only thing you are doing on this forum is personally insulting people who actually try to give prospective students genuine advice, in contrast to proclaiming all that superficial "Go follow your dream!" bullsh*t leading people to spend a lot of money on career paths which, eventually, will lead nowhere in the majority of cases.</blockquote>

It seems that this advice is on going to the worst law schools in the UK and also questioning people's ability and personal preferences in becoming UK qualified solicitors.



Pit Possum

@ Y.K.Thomas

People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments.

He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.

Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".

No offence, but I think you should see someone...

The only thing you are doing on this forum is personally insulting people who actually try to give prospective students genuine advice, in contrast to proclaiming all that superficial "Go follow your dream!" bullsh*t leading people to spend a lot of money on career paths which, eventually, will lead nowhere in the majority of cases.


It seems that this advice is on going to the worst law schools in the UK and also questioning people's ability and personal preferences in becoming UK qualified solicitors.




Well, I beg to differ. The only thing he's doing is to give prospective students an overview of their chances of achieving their goals and of the risks of failing to do so. I have seen people leaving graduation ceremony with a diploma due to having failed the LL.M., and they did not seem to be happy at all. Not to speak of those failing to get any certificate at all.

And as regards foreign students' chances of becoming fully qualified lawyers in the UK, it is only fair to say that they are slim at best. Actually, that's the most annoying aspect of this criticism. It is based on the assumption that UK lawyers need to deter potential competitors by telling scary stories about the job market in the UK. There is basically no competition, because, as an LLM. student without any prior knowledge of English law, you usually cannot expect to compete with students having studied for a bachelor's degree in law for three years.

PS:
And by the way, even if Floris' point of view was totally flawed, which I doubt for the aforementioned reasons, none of the previous posts have contained any valid argument to support the opposite opinion. In contrast, they have consisted of nothing but personal insults being totally out of order.

<blockquote><blockquote>@ Y.K.Thomas

“People like him must be blocked from using this site for his notorious comments.”

“He is a cynical guy and let's take all reasonable steps to kick out such dangerous commentators from this forum.”

“Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".”

No offence, but I think you should see someone...

The only thing you are doing on this forum is personally insulting people who actually try to give prospective students genuine advice, in contrast to proclaiming all that superficial "Go follow your dream!" bullsh*t leading people to spend a lot of money on career paths which, eventually, will lead nowhere in the majority of cases.</blockquote>

It seems that this advice is on going to the worst law schools in the UK and also questioning people's ability and personal preferences in becoming UK qualified solicitors.



</blockquote>

Well, I beg to differ. The only thing he's doing is to give prospective students an overview of their chances of achieving their goals and of the risks of failing to do so. I have seen people leaving graduation ceremony with a diploma due to having failed the LL.M., and they did not seem to be happy at all. Not to speak of those failing to get any certificate at all.

And as regards foreign students' chances of becoming fully qualified lawyers in the UK, it is only fair to say that they are slim at best. Actually, that's the most annoying aspect of this criticism. It is based on the assumption that UK lawyers need to deter potential competitors by telling scary stories about the job market in the UK. There is basically no competition, because, as an LLM. student without any prior knowledge of English law, you usually cannot expect to compete with students having studied for a bachelor's degree in law for three years.

PS:
And by the way, even if Floris' point of view was totally flawed, which I doubt for the aforementioned reasons, none of the previous posts have contained any valid argument to support the opposite opinion. In contrast, they have consisted of nothing but personal insults being totally out of order.
Wheretogo_

Everyone's position is different...there is a place in the world for everyone.

If people fail or not that's their concern.

Slim or not those chances can materialise if the appropriate track is followed.

Everyone's position is different...there is a place in the world for everyone.

If people fail or not that's their concern.

Slim or not those chances can materialise if the appropriate track is followed.

First, thanks you for your advices everyone! Then, I know it is not easy this way but I have to try to be sure and have no regrets. I am learning Chinese and I think I would be a good asset with 4 languages spoken. I reckon Floris you are right and I suppose either you encountered difficulties in your personal career or maybe you are merely against foreign lawyers. Whatever, your advice is realistic, but I am trying to be optimistic otherwise I should better stop my studies. Thanks you for your motivation the others even though I did not want my post create arguments.

First, thanks you for your advices everyone! Then, I know it is not easy this way but I have to try to be sure and have no regrets. I am learning Chinese and I think I would be a good asset with 4 languages spoken. I reckon Floris you are right and I suppose either you encountered difficulties in your personal career or maybe you are merely against foreign lawyers. Whatever, your advice is realistic, but I am trying to be optimistic otherwise I should better stop my studies. Thanks you for your motivation the others even though I did not want my post create arguments.
Wheretogo_

there is no argument! Just a different perspective, maybe more positive, of looking at things!

Good luck!

there is no argument! Just a different perspective, maybe more positive, of looking at things!

Good luck!
Y.K Thomas

I think we are now living in a civilised world and people must try to bury the wrong perceptions they have about foreigners.Lawyers are highly respected professionals.It is therefore strange and ridiculous for people like Flori(s) and his mates to bear grudges againt fellow professionals for the simple reason of being foreigners even though they were educated in the UK. This is an educative website and we must not tolerate BNP and English Defence League activists. Join me to condemn them and put them to shame. People need to grow up and begin to intergrate with fellow human beings at work places, communities and every aspect of their lives. Kick it out gus!!!

I think we are now living in a civilised world and people must try to bury the wrong perceptions they have about foreigners.Lawyers are highly respected professionals.It is therefore strange and ridiculous for people like Flori(s) and his mates to bear grudges againt fellow professionals for the simple reason of being foreigners even though they were educated in the UK. This is an educative website and we must not tolerate BNP and English Defence League activists. Join me to condemn them and put them to shame. People need to grow up and begin to intergrate with fellow human beings at work places, communities and every aspect of their lives. Kick it out gus!!!
Pit Possum

I think we are now living in a civilised world and people must try to bury the wrong perceptions they have about foreigners.Lawyers are highly respected professionals.It is therefore strange and ridiculous for people like Flori(s) and his mates to bear grudges againt fellow professionals for the simple reason of being foreigners even though they were educated in the UK. This is an educative website and we must not tolerate BNP and English Defence League activists. Join me to condemn them and put them to shame. People need to grow up and begin to intergrate with fellow human beings at work places, communities and every aspect of their lives. Kick it out gus!!!


Well, I wonder how "I think we are now living in a civilised world" can be reconciled with Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".

But maybe both statements have to be regarded in the general context of the idiom "If you're not prepared to agree with me, then you'd better watch out!" ;-)

<blockquote>I think we are now living in a civilised world and people must try to bury the wrong perceptions they have about foreigners.Lawyers are highly respected professionals.It is therefore strange and ridiculous for people like Flori(s) and his mates to bear grudges againt fellow professionals for the simple reason of being foreigners even though they were educated in the UK. This is an educative website and we must not tolerate BNP and English Defence League activists. Join me to condemn them and put them to shame. People need to grow up and begin to intergrate with fellow human beings at work places, communities and every aspect of their lives. Kick it out gus!!!</blockquote>

Well, I wonder how "I think we are now living in a civilised world" can be reconciled with “Send him to Iran or Zimbabwe to be given "proper lessons".”

But maybe both statements have to be regarded in the general context of the idiom "If you're not prepared to agree with me, then you'd better watch out!" ;-)