Request for help - LLM decision


ammikhar
I would like to ask for help from somebody please. I've now got conditional offers from Newcastle in International Business Law LLM, an International Commercial Law LLM from Swansea and International Economic Law LLM from Strahclyde.

Firstly, I have applied by considering from University Guide rank in Law. However, some advise that ranking may not be helpful so I would like anyone to help me out. Any current students of these schools or alumnis would be of great help to me.

Thank You In Advance
I would like to ask for help from somebody please. I've now got conditional offers from Newcastle in International Business Law LLM, an International Commercial Law LLM from Swansea and International Economic Law LLM from Strahclyde.

Firstly, I have applied by considering from University Guide rank in Law. However, some advise that ranking may not be helpful so I would like anyone to help me out. Any current students of these schools or alumnis would be of great help to me.

Thank You In Advance
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law01
Hi, I have no experience of these 3 unis so I don't know if I can be of much help but:

1) university rankings are NOT accurate at all

2) the most repute out of the 3 if newcastle

3) if you want to practice/work in England/Wales then Strath should be scrapped as scots law is different from english/welsh law. But I assume this will not be the case as you applied for an 'international' oriented LLM
Hi, I have no experience of these 3 unis so I don't know if I can be of much help but:

1) university rankings are NOT accurate at all

2) the most repute out of the 3 if newcastle

3) if you want to practice/work in England/Wales then Strath should be scrapped as scots law is different from english/welsh law. But I assume this will not be the case as you applied for an 'international' oriented LLM
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ammikhar
Law01 ... thanks for your advice.. i will consider it ..
Law01 ... thanks for your advice.. i will consider it ..
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Redmice
Hi in the rankings In complete Uni guide Strathclyde is 10th, Newcastle 23rd and Swansea 38 th but yes rankings are misleading - in guardian rankings Newcastle is 10th, Strathclyde 28th and Swansea 50thu and I suspect there is little between Newcastle and Strathclyde but each will be different from each other and I would go to the course that suits you best. It is iirrelevant that Strathclyde is Scottish for the purpose of an LLM in this area.
Hi in the rankings In complete Uni guide Strathclyde is 10th, Newcastle 23rd and Swansea 38 th but yes rankings are misleading - in guardian rankings Newcastle is 10th, Strathclyde 28th and Swansea 50thu and I suspect there is little between Newcastle and Strathclyde but each will be different from each other and I would go to the course that suits you best. It is iirrelevant that Strathclyde is Scottish for the purpose of an LLM in this area.
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law01
If he opts for commerical law and then wanted to work in england he would be a bit lost as there are some differences between the two, unless ofcourse they are taught both systems etc. otherwise i completely agree with your post
If he opts for commerical law and then wanted to work in england he would be a bit lost as there are some differences between the two, unless ofcourse they are taught both systems etc. otherwise i completely agree with your post
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ammikhar
Thank you for your opinion....
Thank you for your opinion....
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ammikhar
If he opts for commerical law and then wanted to work in england he would be a bit lost as there are some differences between the two, unless ofcourse they are taught both systems etc. otherwise i completely agree with your post


thanks for your advice..
<blockquote>If he opts for commerical law and then wanted to work in england he would be a bit lost as there are some differences between the two, unless ofcourse they are taught both systems etc. otherwise i completely agree with your post</blockquote>

thanks for your advice..
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cjac
I focused on research led teaching, so looked at the RAE2008 results..I went to Kent (International commercial law).
I focused on research led teaching, so looked at the RAE2008 results..I went to Kent (International commercial law).
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Redmice
Well on that measure Kent is 6th, strathclyde 13th equal, Swansea 25 the and Newcastle 36th
Well on that measure Kent is 6th, strathclyde 13th equal, Swansea 25 the and Newcastle 36th
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ammikhar
Thank you for all of your suggestion.. Now I am considering Newcastle Univ. (LLM in International Business law) and Kent Univ, (LLM International Economic Law). Both are a conditional offers so I am trying to get the unconditional offer...

With non law background in Bachelor, I plan to work in any international companies under contract/legal department, if possible.

This is my first time to study abroad so, if you have any other opinion, please feel free to advise.
Thank you for all of your suggestion.. Now I am considering Newcastle Univ. (LLM in International Business law) and Kent Univ, (LLM International Economic Law). Both are a conditional offers so I am trying to get the unconditional offer...

With non law background in Bachelor, I plan to work in any international companies under contract/legal department, if possible.

This is my first time to study abroad so, if you have any other opinion, please feel free to advise.
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flori
With non law background in Bachelor, I plan to work in any international companies under contract/legal department, if possible.

This is my first time to study abroad so, if you have any other opinion, please feel free to advise.


What exactly do you mean by working "under contract/legal department"? Providing support work for this department or providing legal advice in this department?
--> In case of the former the return on the investment "LLM" could be rather meagre.
--> In case of the latter I am not entirely sure whether the plan is viable, as long as you consider the "obtaining the LLM" to be the key element of your plan.

Bye
flori
<blockquote>With non law background in Bachelor, I plan to work in any international companies under contract/legal department, if possible.

This is my first time to study abroad so, if you have any other opinion, please feel free to advise. </blockquote>

What exactly do you mean by working "under contract/legal department"? Providing support work for this department or providing legal advice in this department?
--> In case of the former the return on the investment "LLM" could be rather meagre.
--> In case of the latter I am not entirely sure whether the plan is viable, as long as you consider the "obtaining the LLM" to be the key element of your plan.

Bye
flori
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ammikhar
Dear Flori,
Thanks for your comment. I mean the position in contract officer and/or legal officer. I work in oil and gas business i.e. exploration and production, so construction contracts and/or logistics contracts are required to be created and issued to various contractors.

Now, I have worked as a contract admin. for many years, it's not a permanent staff. So, I decide to look for LLM because I would like to be more specialized and hope that this can develop my further career path.

As I mentioned, above plan, if i have no more information for other opportunities, I plan to look for such positions due to my current work experiences.

However, it's quite risky for me to invest in this LLM because I have to spend my all money on this and may be too old for me to study and look for a job after graduate.
Dear Flori,
Thanks for your comment. I mean the position in contract officer and/or legal officer. I work in oil and gas business i.e. exploration and production, so construction contracts and/or logistics contracts are required to be created and issued to various contractors.

Now, I have worked as a contract admin. for many years, it's not a permanent staff. So, I decide to look for LLM because I would like to be more specialized and hope that this can develop my further career path.

As I mentioned, above plan, if i have no more information for other opportunities, I plan to look for such positions due to my current work experiences.

However, it's quite risky for me to invest in this LLM because I have to spend my all money on this and may be too old for me to study and look for a job after graduate.
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flori
Hello Ammikhar,

thanks for providing the additional details - just some ideas from my side:
1. Did you deliberately exclude Oil&Gas law LLM programs from your options? Given your background such programs might provide you with better options regarding the future career.

2. Position as a legal officer: Is it common in your country to have legal officers who are not fully-qualified lawyers respectively have not been acting as lawyers before? If not, the LLM probably won't make sense in your situation... Even if, you will still be playing a very risky game...
--> Important: Obtaining an LLM in England/Wales will not render you a Solicitor/Barrister in England/Wales.

Bye
flori
Hello Ammikhar,

thanks for providing the additional details - just some ideas from my side:
1. Did you deliberately exclude Oil&Gas law LLM programs from your options? Given your background such programs might provide you with better options regarding the future career.

2. Position as a legal officer: Is it common in your country to have legal officers who are not fully-qualified lawyers respectively have not been acting as lawyers before? If not, the LLM probably won't make sense in your situation... Even if, you will still be playing a very risky game...
--> Important: Obtaining an LLM in England/Wales will not render you a Solicitor/Barrister in England/Wales.

Bye
flori
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ammikhar
Dear Flori,

Thank you so much for your kindly advice.
1. I decide not to specific for oil & gas because I hope to increase my opportunities of work. Hence, as discussed from colleagues, contract officers, they didn't graduate in any specific oil & gas law, just LLB or LLM from abroad.

2. I have not yet seriously talked with legal officer but I think some of them my not be fully-qualified lawyers (in my company). However, thank you for your idea, I will ask them again.

I am rather interested in contract officer position because almost exploration and production business, they usually require for this position and I expect to be.

In my country, the qualification of studying LLM is required a LLB which I don't have it. In addition, I would like to study in English program. So, being Solicitor/Barrister in England/Wales is not my major purpose.

Thank you for your kindly advice and information.
Dear Flori,

Thank you so much for your kindly advice.
1. I decide not to specific for oil & gas because I hope to increase my opportunities of work. Hence, as discussed from colleagues, contract officers, they didn't graduate in any specific oil & gas law, just LLB or LLM from abroad.

2. I have not yet seriously talked with legal officer but I think some of them my not be fully-qualified lawyers (in my company). However, thank you for your idea, I will ask them again.

I am rather interested in contract officer position because almost exploration and production business, they usually require for this position and I expect to be.

In my country, the qualification of studying LLM is required a LLB which I don't have it. In addition, I would like to study in English program. So, being Solicitor/Barrister in England/Wales is not my major purpose.

Thank you for your kindly advice and information.

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flori
Hi Ammikhar,


I am rather interested in contract officer position because almost exploration and production business, they usually require for this position and I expect to be.


Then the LLM will make perfect sense.

Taking this into account maybe a little suggestion regarding choosing the right university:
1. Try to generate an overview, where the contract officers in your company obtained their LLB/LLM
2. Try to get admitted to one of the most popular law schools.
(This will definitely be more relevant to your career than the place of the university in research rankings etc)


Bye
Flori
Hi Ammikhar,

<blockquote>
I am rather interested in contract officer position because almost exploration and production business, they usually require for this position and I expect to be.
</blockquote>

Then the LLM will make perfect sense.

Taking this into account maybe a little suggestion regarding choosing the right university:
1. Try to generate an overview, where the contract officers in your company obtained their LLB/LLM
2. Try to get admitted to one of the most popular law schools.
(This will definitely be more relevant to your career than the place of the university in research rankings etc)


Bye
Flori
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ammikhar
Dear Flori,

Thank you very much.
How about Newcastle Univ (LLM in International Business)..?? Is it quite popular Law school..??
Dear Flori,

Thank you very much.
How about Newcastle Univ (LLM in International Business)..?? Is it quite popular Law school..??
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kosta
i don t wish to be rude towards any programme but out of the ones you mentioned Swansea is the only progranne that international employers know best =rankings mostly produced by taking undergraduate data not postgraduate so i agree with flori
k
i don t wish to be rude towards any programme but out of the ones you mentioned Swansea is the only progranne that international employers know best =rankings mostly produced by taking undergraduate data not postgraduate so i agree with flori
k
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law01
i don t wish to be rude towards any programme but out of the ones you mentioned Swansea is the only progranne that international employers know best =rankings mostly produced by taking undergraduate data not postgraduate so i agree with flori
k


Hi Kosta,

I will have to dissagree with you as based on my experience swansea is the least repute out of the aforementioned universities
<blockquote>i don t wish to be rude towards any programme but out of the ones you mentioned Swansea is the only progranne that international employers know best =rankings mostly produced by taking undergraduate data not postgraduate so i agree with flori
k</blockquote>

Hi Kosta,

I will have to dissagree with you as based on my experience swansea is the least repute out of the aforementioned universities
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flori
Hello everyone,
even though I will probably get flamed by all the different fan groups:
As far as the _general_ reputation of the law schools discussed above is concerned, neither holds a stellar reputation ;-)

However, this does _not_ say that the respective reputation is well-deserved.

Furthermore, some of those universities do offer particular programs with a good or, even, very good reputation.

In the end, the original poster will have the best knowledge when it comes to the reputation held in his particular area -> just go for whatever is well-recognized there...

Bye
flori
Hello everyone,
even though I will probably get flamed by all the different fan groups:
As far as the _general_ reputation of the law schools discussed above is concerned, neither holds a stellar reputation ;-)

However, this does _not_ say that the respective reputation is well-deserved.

Furthermore, some of those universities do offer particular programs with a good or, even, very good reputation.

In the end, the original poster will have the best knowledge when it comes to the reputation held in his particular area -> just go for whatever is well-recognized there...

Bye
flori
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flori
Hello ammikhar,

Dear Flori,
Thank you very much.
How about Newcastle Univ (LLM in International Business)..?? Is it quite popular Law school..??


To be completely honest: I have never heard of the law school in Newcastle before. Still, this does not mean anything.

The important thing is whether Newcastle is popular among the contract/legal officers in your company and the competing companies.

If so -> go for it.
If not -> Try to explore whether the alternatives are more popular....

Bye
flori
Hello ammikhar,

<blockquote>Dear Flori,
Thank you very much.
How about Newcastle Univ (LLM in International Business)..?? Is it quite popular Law school..?? </blockquote>

To be completely honest: I have never heard of the law school in Newcastle before. Still, this does not mean anything.

The important thing is whether Newcastle is popular among the contract/legal officers in your company and the competing companies.

If so -> go for it.
If not -> Try to explore whether the alternatives are more popular....

Bye
flori
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