Oxford BCL/MJur Decision Thread 2011


Mac23

I am a prospective student (MJur) and I would say (and hope) that we will not have to study 20 hours per day...it would be absolutely unreasonable!!anyway, i am very interested in the topic and I'd like to have some feeback from past or current students!!
Ps: in my opinion, i think we could perform very well studying 8-10 hours a day..I hope I am right!!

I am a prospective student (MJur) and I would say (and hope) that we will not have to study 20 hours per day...it would be absolutely unreasonable!!anyway, i am very interested in the topic and I'd like to have some feeback from past or current students!!
Ps: in my opinion, i think we could perform very well studying 8-10 hours a day..I hope I am right!!
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Glennie

Haha, well 20 a day might be a bit of an exaggeration! I'm not sure whether to take the stories that I've heard seriously or whether there's an element of boasting in there - "Look at me, my course is so hard and I'm so smart."

Haha, well 20 a day might be a bit of an exaggeration! I'm not sure whether to take the stories that I've heard seriously or whether there's an element of boasting in there - "Look at me, my course is so hard and I'm so smart."
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Chicken3

Glennie,

If you're interested in taking Jurisprudence, you'll have 3 essays due over the Easter break (in lieu of an exam at the end of the course) so there's no way you'd be able to spare 2 weeks off.

Otherwise, I'm not sure how true the 20 hours a day rumours are, but if you went back to Australia I think you'd have to be doing some study at least while you were back - as I think they're probably a pretty important 2 weeks that you wouldn't want to miss out on.

Glennie,

If you're interested in taking Jurisprudence, you'll have 3 essays due over the Easter break (in lieu of an exam at the end of the course) so there's no way you'd be able to spare 2 weeks off.

Otherwise, I'm not sure how true the 20 hours a day rumours are, but if you went back to Australia I think you'd have to be doing some study at least while you were back - as I think they're probably a pretty important 2 weeks that you wouldn't want to miss out on.
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Glennie

Thanks, Chicken3, that's a great help.

Thanks, Chicken3, that's a great help.
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dresdner

Hey, I was wondering whether any of you had heard back on college accommodation yet. I applied for a room at St Hugh's back in April and haven't received a response yet...

Hey, I was wondering whether any of you had heard back on college accommodation yet. I applied for a room at St Hugh's back in April and haven't received a response yet...
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Glennie

I'm on the waiting list for accommodation with LMH. I get the impression that my chances of getting something from them are pretty limited and I'm starting to warm to the idea of choosing where I live and who with.

The only thing that slightly worries me is that I might become something of a social leper if I'm not in college accommodation, so I'll have to make an extra effort to get involved (and rely on everyone here to invite me to formal dinners at their colleges, as LMH's formals don't sound very formal at all!).

I'm on the waiting list for accommodation with LMH. I get the impression that my chances of getting something from them are pretty limited and I'm starting to warm to the idea of choosing where I live and who with.

The only thing that slightly worries me is that I might become something of a social leper if I'm not in college accommodation, so I'll have to make an extra effort to get involved (and rely on everyone here to invite me to formal dinners at their colleges, as LMH's formals don't sound very formal at all!).
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Dionne7*

Hey, I was also told that I had been placed on the waiting list for accommodation at St Peters, and although I am not very far down on the list, I would have to wait until the end of July before I could be told whether or not a room was available for me. I decided that this would be cutting it a little fine. Like u Glennie, I was also slightly worried about the social side of things so I have now paid my deposit at a private halls of residents for Oxford and Oxford Brookes students. Apparently last year about 20% of the rooms were taken up by Oxford students. Its called CRM students and the prices are very reasonable. Also, it is only a short ride from the Law Faculty and all graduates are placed together. Hope this helps!

Hey, I was also told that I had been placed on the waiting list for accommodation at St Peters, and although I am not very far down on the list, I would have to wait until the end of July before I could be told whether or not a room was available for me. I decided that this would be cutting it a little fine. Like u Glennie, I was also slightly worried about the social side of things so I have now paid my deposit at a private halls of residents for Oxford and Oxford Brookes students. Apparently last year about 20% of the rooms were taken up by Oxford students. Its called CRM students and the prices are very reasonable. Also, it is only a short ride from the Law Faculty and all graduates are placed together. Hope this helps!
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Glennie

Hey Dionne, those rooms look lovely! I'm pretty close to getting something sorted out on the western side of town, but I'm anxious to get it finalised NOW - one less thing to worry about!

At least househunting has given me a good excuse to pop out to Oxford a few times now. I can't believe we get to live there soon!

Hey Dionne, those rooms look lovely! I'm pretty close to getting something sorted out on the western side of town, but I'm anxious to get it finalised NOW - one less thing to worry about!

At least househunting has given me a good excuse to pop out to Oxford a few times now. I can't believe we get to live there soon!
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Dionne7*

Hey Dionne, those rooms look lovely! I'm pretty close to getting something sorted out on the western side of town, but I'm anxious to get it finalised NOW - one less thing to worry about!

At least househunting has given me a good excuse to pop out to Oxford a few times now. I can't believe we get to live there soon!


Im glad you have nearly finalised things! It is a really stressful time, but exciting all the same. Iv been to Oxford a few times myself to have a good nosey around. I live in Bournemouth so it isnt too far away. Im so excited about getting there now! I received my login details during the early hours of this morning.... Im so glad there is no more paperwork to fill in and send off! Have you decided what courses your going to take yet?

<blockquote>Hey Dionne, those rooms look lovely! I'm pretty close to getting something sorted out on the western side of town, but I'm anxious to get it finalised NOW - one less thing to worry about!

At least househunting has given me a good excuse to pop out to Oxford a few times now. I can't believe we get to live there soon!</blockquote>

Im glad you have nearly finalised things! It is a really stressful time, but exciting all the same. Iv been to Oxford a few times myself to have a good nosey around. I live in Bournemouth so it isnt too far away. Im so excited about getting there now! I received my login details during the early hours of this morning.... Im so glad there is no more paperwork to fill in and send off! Have you decided what courses your going to take yet?
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Mac23

Hi guys!!
I need some help...I would like to take a course in Jurisprudence (i.e. Jurisprudence and Political Theory or Philosophical foundations of common law) and I don't know how to make up my mind! I mean, I have a civil law background and I have never studied Jurisprudence seriously before, so I would be grateful to those who could give me opinions and feedback about these two courses and what knowledge of the subject is presupposed and to what extent if it is...I don't want to embark on courses which are prohibitive to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!!!!!

Hi guys!!
I need some help...I would like to take a course in Jurisprudence (i.e. Jurisprudence and Political Theory or Philosophical foundations of common law) and I don't know how to make up my mind! I mean, I have a civil law background and I have never studied Jurisprudence seriously before, so I would be grateful to those who could give me opinions and feedback about these two courses and what knowledge of the subject is presupposed and to what extent if it is...I don't want to embark on courses which are prohibitive to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!!!!!
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Dear Big Boy,

When you arrive at Oxford, you will have the opportunity to attend 'taster' lectures for each course before you finalize your course selection. I suspect these will be very useful in helping you come to a decision.

Best of luck,

Paddy

Dear Big Boy,

When you arrive at Oxford, you will have the opportunity to attend 'taster' lectures for each course before you finalize your course selection. I suspect these will be very useful in helping you come to a decision.

Best of luck,

Paddy
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Mac23

thank you paddy! any further comment is appreciated!

thank you paddy! any further comment is appreciated!
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Elizabeta

anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/

anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/
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Glennie



Im glad you have nearly finalised things! It is a really stressful time, but exciting all the same. Iv been to Oxford a few times myself to have a good nosey around. I live in Bournemouth so it isnt too far away. Im so excited about getting there now! I received my login details during the early hours of this morning.... Im so glad there is no more paperwork to fill in and send off! Have you decided what courses your going to take yet?


I'm thinking civil procedure, law and medicine, evidence and... something else. But I don't want to set my heart on anything in case I change my mind when I get there or (worse!) I find the courses I'm really keen on are oversubscribed. Have you had any thoughts?

<blockquote>

Im glad you have nearly finalised things! It is a really stressful time, but exciting all the same. Iv been to Oxford a few times myself to have a good nosey around. I live in Bournemouth so it isnt too far away. Im so excited about getting there now! I received my login details during the early hours of this morning.... Im so glad there is no more paperwork to fill in and send off! Have you decided what courses your going to take yet?</blockquote>

I'm thinking civil procedure, law and medicine, evidence and... something else. But I don't want to set my heart on anything in case I change my mind when I get there or (worse!) I find the courses I'm really keen on are oversubscribed. Have you had any thoughts?
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Cathywei

anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/

Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer

<blockquote>anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/</blockquote>
Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer…
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Elizabeta

anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/

Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer


but I suppose we would receive an out of office reply if she's away...?
because my degree certificate was delivered, and no confirmation and unconditional offer from her side....

<blockquote><blockquote>anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/</blockquote>
Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer…</blockquote>

but I suppose we would receive an out of office reply if she's away...?
because my degree certificate was delivered, and no confirmation and unconditional offer from her side....
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Elizabeta

anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/

Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer


but I suppose we would receive an out of office reply if she's away...?
because my degree certificate was delivered, and no confirmation and unconditional offer from her side....


@Cathywei, she answered today, hope she did to you too! :)

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/</blockquote>
Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer…</blockquote>

but I suppose we would receive an out of office reply if she's away...?
because my degree certificate was delivered, and no confirmation and unconditional offer from her side....</blockquote>

@Cathywei, she answered today, hope she did to you too! :)
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Cathywei

good good,maybe I just need more patience!

anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/

Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer


but I suppose we would receive an out of office reply if she's away...?
because my degree certificate was delivered, and no confirmation and unconditional offer from her side....


@Cathywei, she answered today, hope she did to you too! :)

good good,maybe I just need more patience!
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>anyone been in contact with ms biese recently? she isn't answering my e-mails.... :/</blockquote>
Isn't answering mine either...its kinda wierd cause she always replied so fast. im still waiting for my unconditional offer…</blockquote>

but I suppose we would receive an out of office reply if she's away...?
because my degree certificate was delivered, and no confirmation and unconditional offer from her side....</blockquote>

@Cathywei, she answered today, hope she did to you too! :)</blockquote>
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Hi guys!!
I need some help...I would like to take a course in Jurisprudence (i.e. Jurisprudence and Political Theory or Philosophical foundations of common law) and I don't know how to make up my mind! I mean, I have a civil law background and I have never studied Jurisprudence seriously before, so I would be grateful to those who could give me opinions and feedback about these two courses and what knowledge of the subject is presupposed and to what extent if it is...I don't want to embark on courses which are prohibitive to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!!!!!


There is a fair bit of information about these courses on the web, including on Oxford's own pages. Just Google "Oxford BCL" and the names of the courses. But in short, Juris looks at broad issues in the philosophy of law and in political philosophy - the nature of law, justice, authority and so on. Nigel Simmonds' Central Issues in Jurisprudence is a good choice for a general overview, or for original material check out Hart, Dworkin, Rawls, Nozick and Finnis. If you're planning to take the course I'd definitely look at two or three of those (e.g. Simmonds, Hart's Concept of Law and Dworkin's Law's Empire or Taking Rights Seriously) before October.

PFCL is more about the philosophical concepts underpinning the common law. For example, what assumptions about intention are made in contract law or criminal law? What concept of responsibility is at work in tort law, and is it a coherent one? I think on this course if you have a good knowledge of the central areas of the common law and you are used to analysing them critically you will be fine, although some knowledge of general philosophy will definitely be useful. Maybe look at something like 'Responsibility and luck' by Tony Honore.

Disclaimer - I haven't done these courses, will be starting the BCL in October, but will definitely be choosing both of them!

<blockquote>Hi guys!!
I need some help...I would like to take a course in Jurisprudence (i.e. Jurisprudence and Political Theory or Philosophical foundations of common law) and I don't know how to make up my mind! I mean, I have a civil law background and I have never studied Jurisprudence seriously before, so I would be grateful to those who could give me opinions and feedback about these two courses and what knowledge of the subject is presupposed and to what extent if it is...I don't want to embark on courses which are prohibitive to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!!!!!</blockquote>

There is a fair bit of information about these courses on the web, including on Oxford's own pages. Just Google "Oxford BCL" and the names of the courses. But in short, Juris looks at broad issues in the philosophy of law and in political philosophy - the nature of law, justice, authority and so on. Nigel Simmonds' Central Issues in Jurisprudence is a good choice for a general overview, or for original material check out Hart, Dworkin, Rawls, Nozick and Finnis. If you're planning to take the course I'd definitely look at two or three of those (e.g. Simmonds, Hart's Concept of Law and Dworkin's Law's Empire or Taking Rights Seriously) before October.

PFCL is more about the philosophical concepts underpinning the common law. For example, what assumptions about intention are made in contract law or criminal law? What concept of responsibility is at work in tort law, and is it a coherent one? I think on this course if you have a good knowledge of the central areas of the common law and you are used to analysing them critically you will be fine, although some knowledge of general philosophy will definitely be useful. Maybe look at something like 'Responsibility and luck' by Tony Honore.

Disclaimer - I haven't done these courses, will be starting the BCL in October, but will definitely be choosing both of them!
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