¿Nottingham, Soton or Swansea for Maritime Law LLM?


Vauzr
So that's my question, I need to choose one of those three.

Thank you all in advance for your opinion!
So that's my question, I need to choose one of those three.

Thank you all in advance for your opinion!
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kosta
I did my LLm at Swansea- just to say that at the outset. It was fantastic and provided me a great springboard to my career both in terms of knowledge and also in terms of contacts. Teachers were great, employability was high on the agenda, we had visiting speakers and opportunities at career fairs.

As far as I know, maritime is incidental in Nottingham. There is not a centre or many teachers in the field at Nottingham. At least that was the case when I studied. Nottingham is good in specific aspects of commercial and procurement law but not necsssarily famous for its maritime law.
I did my LLm at Swansea- just to say that at the outset. It was fantastic and provided me a great springboard to my career both in terms of knowledge and also in terms of contacts. Teachers were great, employability was high on the agenda, we had visiting speakers and opportunities at career fairs.

As far as I know, maritime is incidental in Nottingham. There is not a centre or many teachers in the field at Nottingham. At least that was the case when I studied. Nottingham is good in specific aspects of commercial and procurement law but not necsssarily famous for its maritime law.
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flori
Hello everyone,
while Nottingham might not be particularly famous for its maritime law, the university as such certainly has the best reputation among the mentioned universities.

Whilst this does not say anything about the quality of the specific llm program, it might be relevant as far as the "business card factor", alumni network etc. are concerned.

Apart from that the issue has been debated many times - the search function might be helpful...

bye
flori
Hello everyone,
while Nottingham might not be particularly famous for its maritime law, the university as such certainly has the best reputation among the mentioned universities.

Whilst this does not say anything about the quality of the specific llm program, it might be relevant as far as the "business card factor", alumni network etc. are concerned.

Apart from that the issue has been debated many times - the search function might be helpful...

bye
flori
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Vauzr
I did my LLm at Swansea- just to say that at the outset. It was fantastic and provided me a great springboard to my career both in terms of knowledge and also in terms of contacts. Teachers were great, employability was high on the agenda, we had visiting speakers and opportunities at career fairs.

As far as I know, maritime is incidental in Nottingham. There is not a centre or many teachers in the field at Nottingham. At least that was the case when I studied. Nottingham is good in specific aspects of commercial and procurement law but not necsssarily famous for its maritime law.


I'm glad to hear that you had a great experience in Swansea, thank you for your opinion.
<blockquote>I did my LLm at Swansea- just to say that at the outset. It was fantastic and provided me a great springboard to my career both in terms of knowledge and also in terms of contacts. Teachers were great, employability was high on the agenda, we had visiting speakers and opportunities at career fairs.

As far as I know, maritime is incidental in Nottingham. There is not a centre or many teachers in the field at Nottingham. At least that was the case when I studied. Nottingham is good in specific aspects of commercial and procurement law but not necsssarily famous for its maritime law. </blockquote>

I'm glad to hear that you had a great experience in Swansea, thank you for your opinion.
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Vauzr
Hello everyone,
while Nottingham might not be particularly famous for its maritime law, the university as such certainly has the best reputation among the mentioned universities.

Whilst this does not say anything about the quality of the specific llm program, it might be relevant as far as the "business card factor", alumni network etc. are concerned.

Apart from that the issue has been debated many times - the search function might be helpful...

bye
flori


Thank you for your response.

So do you think is the business card factor will be better than in Swansea or Soton? Which one will you choose if you had to start this year the LLM again?

Regarding to the other posts, I've readen them all. Most of them are old and maybe the LLM programmes of the respective universities have been updated -to more interesting ones-.
<blockquote>Hello everyone,
while Nottingham might not be particularly famous for its maritime law, the university as such certainly has the best reputation among the mentioned universities.

Whilst this does not say anything about the quality of the specific llm program, it might be relevant as far as the "business card factor", alumni network etc. are concerned.

Apart from that the issue has been debated many times - the search function might be helpful...

bye
flori
</blockquote>

Thank you for your response.

So do you think is the business card factor will be better than in Swansea or Soton? Which one will you choose if you had to start this year the LLM again?

Regarding to the other posts, I've readen them all. Most of them are old and maybe the LLM programmes of the respective universities have been updated -to more interesting ones-.



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flori
Hello Vauzr,



Thank you for your response.

So do you think is the business card factor will be better than in Swansea or Soton?


Yes, as far as the _general reputation_ (not the reputation of the particular maritime law program) is concerned, Nottingham is in a different league.

Which one will you choose if you had to start this year the LLM again?


If I was limited to those three options, I would choose Swansea (as I did some years ago).

Without being restricted to choose among the three options, my choice for a maritime law LLM would be Tulane (not for reasons of job prospects or the "business card factor" or any other "professional reasons").

Bye
flori
Hello Vauzr,

<blockquote>

Thank you for your response.

So do you think is the business card factor will be better than in Swansea or Soton?
</blockquote>

Yes, as far as the _general reputation_ (not the reputation of the particular maritime law program) is concerned, Nottingham is in a different league.

<blockquote>Which one will you choose if you had to start this year the LLM again?</blockquote>

If I was limited to those three options, I would choose Swansea (as I did some years ago).

Without being restricted to choose among the three options, my choice for a maritime law LLM would be Tulane (not for reasons of job prospects or the "business card factor" or any other "professional reasons").

Bye
flori
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law01
Hello Vauzr,



Thank you for your response.

So do you think is the business card factor will be better than in Swansea or Soton?


Yes, as far as the _general reputation_ (not the reputation of the particular maritime law program) is concerned, Nottingham is in a different league.

Which one will you choose if you had to start this year the LLM again?


If I was limited to those three options, I would choose Swansea (as I did some years ago).

Without being restricted to choose among the three options, my choice for a maritime law LLM would be Tulane (not for reasons of job prospects or the "business card factor" or any other "professional reasons").

Bye
flori


Hi Flori,

As you make reference to the general reputation of the Universities then I beg to differ to your opinion. Southampton is considered as a better University than Nottingham, this is a fact uported by most ranking tables (even though don't really rate the importance of these tables)
<blockquote>Hello Vauzr,

<blockquote>

Thank you for your response.

So do you think is the business card factor will be better than in Swansea or Soton?
</blockquote>

Yes, as far as the _general reputation_ (not the reputation of the particular maritime law program) is concerned, Nottingham is in a different league.

<blockquote>Which one will you choose if you had to start this year the LLM again?</blockquote>

If I was limited to those three options, I would choose Swansea (as I did some years ago).

Without being restricted to choose among the three options, my choice for a maritime law LLM would be Tulane (not for reasons of job prospects or the "business card factor" or any other "professional reasons").

Bye
flori</blockquote>

Hi Flori,

As you make reference to the general reputation of the Universities then I beg to differ to your opinion. Southampton is considered as a better University than Nottingham, this is a fact uported by most ranking tables (even though don't really rate the importance of these tables)
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flori
Hello law01,

I should have added that when talking about the "business card factor" and the general reputation of the university I was talking about the general reputation of the university in "legal circles".

According to the rankings Southampton's seems to have a stellar reputation for subjects as "Civil Engineering", "Electrical & Electronic Engineering", "Mechanical Engineering" etc. -> Brilliant, still I am not entirely sure whether this would help someone pursuing a career in law.

Bye
flori

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law
Hello law01,

I should have added that when talking about the "business card factor" and the general reputation of the university I was talking about the general reputation of the university in "legal circles".

According to the rankings Southampton's seems to have a stellar reputation for subjects as "Civil Engineering", "Electrical & Electronic Engineering", "Mechanical Engineering" etc. -> Brilliant, still I am not entirely sure whether this would help someone pursuing a career in law.

Bye
flori

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law
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AKM1993
Hello,

Can someone please guide me - I want to pursue LLM in Jurisprudence and Competition Law - this isn't a usual combination that is why I am having a tough time in deciding which college would an ideal one - Yale Law School, University College of London, LSE or Cambridge.
Hello,

Can someone please guide me - I want to pursue LLM in Jurisprudence and Competition Law - this isn't a usual combination that is why I am having a tough time in deciding which college would an ideal one - Yale Law School, University College of London, LSE or Cambridge.
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Vauzr
Hello law01,

I should have added that when talking about the "business card factor" and the general reputation of the university I was talking about the general reputation of the university in "legal circles".

According to the rankings Southampton's seems to have a stellar reputation for subjects as "Civil Engineering", "Electrical & Electronic Engineering", "Mechanical Engineering" etc. -> Brilliant, still I am not entirely sure whether this would help someone pursuing a career in law.

Bye
flori

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law


Thank you flori for your information.

So as you said, Nottingham has better reputation than the others in law field, but Swansea and Soton still being better choices for Maritime Law, isn't it? Both Swansea and Soton have a Maritime Institute, right?


Best
<blockquote>Hello law01,

I should have added that when talking about the "business card factor" and the general reputation of the university I was talking about the general reputation of the university in "legal circles".

According to the rankings Southampton's seems to have a stellar reputation for subjects as "Civil Engineering", "Electrical & Electronic Engineering", "Mechanical Engineering" etc. -> Brilliant, still I am not entirely sure whether this would help someone pursuing a career in law.

Bye
flori

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/jun/03/university-guide-2015-league-table-for-law</blockquote>

Thank you flori for your information.

So as you said, Nottingham has better reputation than the others in law field, but Swansea and Soton still being better choices for Maritime Law, isn't it? Both Swansea and Soton have a Maritime Institute, right?


Best
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kosta
I am not impartial obviously but my view that is that especially in the last 7-8 years Swansea as an Institute has gained a very good reputation in maritime circles....

Kosta
I am not impartial obviously but my view that is that especially in the last 7-8 years Swansea as an Institute has gained a very good reputation in maritime circles....

Kosta
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CC_Erika
Forgive me for saying so, but the 'business card factor' issue is a little more complex. If you're going for a general law degree, then I can understand the appeal of a place like Notingham. But if you're seeking a career in the legal maritime sector, then really, the place to go is Swansea. If your potential employer has any knowledge of the academic world, they will know the difference between a student who attained a high-ranked but general/non-specialized masters degree from Nottingham, and a student who has a very specialized degree with strong links both with the shipping and legal world, academically and practically. Swansea is where you want to go if you want the best chance at succeeding in the maritime world. They have links with the real shipping world and their students go far.

If you're not sure you want to specialize, then by all means, go for Nottingham. It's a good safety net if you want to do something outside of law, or want to work outside the niche of shipping and trade.

Overall, however, if you're going to choose maritime law because you want to be in the industry, then definitely choose Swansea over Southampton, the latter of which has lost its best lecturers (ie the ones that built the reputation) to retirement.
Forgive me for saying so, but the 'business card factor' issue is a little more complex. If you're going for a general law degree, then I can understand the appeal of a place like Notingham. But if you're seeking a career in the legal maritime sector, then really, the place to go is Swansea. If your potential employer has any knowledge of the academic world, they will know the difference between a student who attained a high-ranked but general/non-specialized masters degree from Nottingham, and a student who has a very specialized degree with strong links both with the shipping and legal world, academically and practically. Swansea is where you want to go if you want the best chance at succeeding in the maritime world. They have links with the real shipping world and their students go far.

If you're not sure you want to specialize, then by all means, go for Nottingham. It's a good safety net if you want to do something outside of law, or want to work outside the niche of shipping and trade.

Overall, however, if you're going to choose maritime law because you want to be in the industry, then definitely choose Swansea over Southampton, the latter of which has lost its best lecturers (ie the ones that built the reputation) to retirement.
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flori
Hello CC_Erika,
just a few points:
1. The scenario did not contain the choice between a general/non-specialized masters degree from Nottingham and the maritime law LLM from Swansea, but specialized degrees in both cases.
2. What is actually the chance of succeeding in the maritime world for the _average_ Swansea graduate? Don't get me wrong, of course the best 15-30% of the respective class will go far and this is where the industry link factor sets in... But what about the rest? Back in my days (yes, it's both purely anecdotal and dated evidence) a large part of the graduates was unable to enter the maritime law world at all....
3. Would you make the "safety net" argument also, if we substituted Nottingham for Oxbridge?
4. Swansea vs Soton:
I agree with your point. However, the choice might also depend on some local parameters of the market that the original poster wants to enter. If most of law firm partners/ legal counsel in his/her country got a degree from Soton, then a choice based on "past reputation" might not be the worst option....


Personally I agree with you (and Kosta) that Swansea is probably the best choice for the original poster (nobody knows whether pursuing a maritime law degree is). His/ her real chances of entering the maritime law world? We don't know. Extremely high, if she/he has a strong CV, will be among best of the course etc. Probably rather low with an average CV, average course performance etc...In my eyes, the differences between the respective universities won't matter that much in either constellation.

Bye
flori
Hello CC_Erika,
just a few points:
1. The scenario did not contain the choice between a general/non-specialized masters degree from Nottingham and the maritime law LLM from Swansea, but specialized degrees in both cases.
2. What is actually the chance of succeeding in the maritime world for the _average_ Swansea graduate? Don't get me wrong, of course the best 15-30% of the respective class will go far and this is where the industry link factor sets in... But what about the rest? Back in my days (yes, it's both purely anecdotal and dated evidence) a large part of the graduates was unable to enter the maritime law world at all....
3. Would you make the "safety net" argument also, if we substituted Nottingham for Oxbridge?
4. Swansea vs Soton:
I agree with your point. However, the choice might also depend on some local parameters of the market that the original poster wants to enter. If most of law firm partners/ legal counsel in his/her country got a degree from Soton, then a choice based on "past reputation" might not be the worst option....


Personally I agree with you (and Kosta) that Swansea is probably the best choice for the original poster (nobody knows whether pursuing a maritime law degree is). His/ her real chances of entering the maritime law world? We don't know. Extremely high, if she/he has a strong CV, will be among best of the course etc. Probably rather low with an average CV, average course performance etc...In my eyes, the differences between the respective universities won't matter that much in either constellation.

Bye
flori

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law01
Hello CC_Erika,
just a few points:
1. The scenario did not contain the choice between a general/non-specialized masters degree from Nottingham and the maritime law LLM from Swansea, but specialized degrees in both cases.
2. What is actually the chance of succeeding in the maritime world for the _average_ Swansea graduate? Don't get me wrong, of course the best 15-30% of the respective class will go far and this is where the industry link factor sets in... But what about the rest? Back in my days (yes, it's both purely anecdotal and dated evidence) a large part of the graduates was unable to enter the maritime law world at all....
3. Would you make the "safety net" argument also, if we substituted Nottingham for Oxbridge?
4. Swansea vs Soton:
I agree with your point. However, the choice might also depend on some local parameters of the market that the original poster wants to enter. If most of law firm partners/ legal counsel in his/her country got a degree from Soton, then a choice based on "past reputation" might not be the worst option....


Personally I agree with you (and Kosta) that Swansea is probably the best choice for the original poster (nobody knows whether pursuing a maritime law degree is). His/ her real chances of entering the maritime law world? We don't know. Extremely high, if she/he has a strong CV, will be among best of the course etc. Probably rather low with an average CV, average course performance etc...In my eyes, the differences between the respective universities won't matter that much in either constellation.

Bye
flori



Having experienced the legl sector as a trainee barrister I agree on many of the points Flori has raised. I will talk generally about the commercial world of the legal sector (as I maritime is not my area of expertise). A specialized degree from either of the 3 Universities the OP mentions will not guarantee him a job, and all 3 will probably be considered as equals by the different law firms he will apply to. In the UK, unfortunately, the only Universities that really matter are Oxford and Cambridge. Even if you are applying for a maritime TC/Pupillage with a specialized LLM from Swansea, you will never be given preference over an Oxbridge graduate. 'Never' may seem an exaggerations but, unfortunately, it is the truth, at least when it comes to the Bar. Solicitor's firms are a bit more flexible on this matter.
<blockquote>Hello CC_Erika,
just a few points:
1. The scenario did not contain the choice between a general/non-specialized masters degree from Nottingham and the maritime law LLM from Swansea, but specialized degrees in both cases.
2. What is actually the chance of succeeding in the maritime world for the _average_ Swansea graduate? Don't get me wrong, of course the best 15-30% of the respective class will go far and this is where the industry link factor sets in... But what about the rest? Back in my days (yes, it's both purely anecdotal and dated evidence) a large part of the graduates was unable to enter the maritime law world at all....
3. Would you make the "safety net" argument also, if we substituted Nottingham for Oxbridge?
4. Swansea vs Soton:
I agree with your point. However, the choice might also depend on some local parameters of the market that the original poster wants to enter. If most of law firm partners/ legal counsel in his/her country got a degree from Soton, then a choice based on "past reputation" might not be the worst option....


Personally I agree with you (and Kosta) that Swansea is probably the best choice for the original poster (nobody knows whether pursuing a maritime law degree is). His/ her real chances of entering the maritime law world? We don't know. Extremely high, if she/he has a strong CV, will be among best of the course etc. Probably rather low with an average CV, average course performance etc...In my eyes, the differences between the respective universities won't matter that much in either constellation.

Bye
flori

</blockquote>

Having experienced the legl sector as a trainee barrister I agree on many of the points Flori has raised. I will talk generally about the commercial world of the legal sector (as I maritime is not my area of expertise). A specialized degree from either of the 3 Universities the OP mentions will not guarantee him a job, and all 3 will probably be considered as equals by the different law firms he will apply to. In the UK, unfortunately, the only Universities that really matter are Oxford and Cambridge. Even if you are applying for a maritime TC/Pupillage with a specialized LLM from Swansea, you will never be given preference over an Oxbridge graduate. 'Never' may seem an exaggerations but, unfortunately, it is the truth, at least when it comes to the Bar. Solicitor's firms are a bit more flexible on this matter.
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pdb
Hey all,
I have applied for maritime law in Swansea and Nottingham and have got unconditional offer from both. Though I am inclined towards Swansea I need some light on the aspect of ita reputation in terms of teaching and stay. I have served ad a Lawyer and Judge for three years and now feel LLM is required for better understanding. Though I dnt have any previous experience in maritime law, will that be a deciding factor for my job prospects.
I would be glad to receive more guidance on this topic. Thank u all.
Hey all,
I have applied for maritime law in Swansea and Nottingham and have got unconditional offer from both. Though I am inclined towards Swansea I need some light on the aspect of ita reputation in terms of teaching and stay. I have served ad a Lawyer and Judge for three years and now feel LLM is required for better understanding. Though I dnt have any previous experience in maritime law, will that be a deciding factor for my job prospects.
I would be glad to receive more guidance on this topic. Thank u all.
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kosta
This is simple

Choose a place which is known in the sector, which has a team not a few individuals as teachers and a place where students are treated with respect and given an opportunity to get involved with activities such as career fairs and guest lectures.

The answer will be swansea.
This is simple

Choose a place which is known in the sector, which has a team not a few individuals as teachers and a place where students are treated with respect and given an opportunity to get involved with activities such as career fairs and guest lectures.

The answer will be swansea.
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pdb
This is simple

Choose a place which is known in the sector, which has a team not a few individuals as teachers and a place where students are treated with respect and given an opportunity to get involved with activities such as career fairs and guest lectures.

The answer will be swansea.


Kosta-- Thank u very much for the opinion. As u know that mind is as curious as a child. I have lot many question to be answered. I tried contacting the alumni but I am yet to receive any answer from them. If I can get more clear picture of Swansea from u. I do have facebook or Linkedin to get connected with. If u can skip some time out to help me figure out more on the accommodation and teaching pattern I would be very grateful to u. Awaiting ur reply.
<blockquote>This is simple

Choose a place which is known in the sector, which has a team not a few individuals as teachers and a place where students are treated with respect and given an opportunity to get involved with activities such as career fairs and guest lectures.

The answer will be swansea. </blockquote>

Kosta-- Thank u very much for the opinion. As u know that mind is as curious as a child. I have lot many question to be answered. I tried contacting the alumni but I am yet to receive any answer from them. If I can get more clear picture of Swansea from u. I do have facebook or Linkedin to get connected with. If u can skip some time out to help me figure out more on the accommodation and teaching pattern I would be very grateful to u. Awaiting ur reply.
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kosta
Sorry I was busy with work. accommodation wise very good university places I stayed at beck house a dedicated pgt residence. It was good community spirit there with 150 students. But also the campus has en suite rooms very close to the school. Teaching is very high quality you take 4 modules about 12 teaching hours a week but you need 50 hours of self study A week.Teachers are excellent but once you move to practice you realise how relevant this education has been.your difficulty will be in deciding which 4 options you will take as there will be at least 12 13 excellent modules. You will not regret it . Go for it.
Sorry I was busy with work. accommodation wise very good university places I stayed at beck house a dedicated pgt residence. It was good community spirit there with 150 students. But also the campus has en suite rooms very close to the school. Teaching is very high quality you take 4 modules about 12 teaching hours a week but you need 50 hours of self study A week.Teachers are excellent but once you move to practice you realise how relevant this education has been.your difficulty will be in deciding which 4 options you will take as there will be at least 12 13 excellent modules. You will not regret it . Go for it.
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123mel
Dear Costa,

I happen to be following discussions do far onboard regarding Maritime law study. I am however stuck between SOTON and Swansea. So far, I have made applications to both universities and they have offered me places. My problem is that I would like to put my finances together and would not want to work whether part or full time as I do need to zero in my whole time to the poatgraduate study. That is the only way I will do very well. The problem here is that SOTON requires a down payment of 1000 Pounds and if I happen to change my mind to start nextyear, I loose the money as I cannot differ the admission. But if I were to start this year, I would need to work in order to support myself so I would need to know how many days of study I will be putting in. I have phoned the universities on information regarding their time tables for the programme this year and they said to me that they do not know yet and that the time tables will only be out the first week prior to commencement of lectures.

Please does anyone who had studied in either of these universities know how many days of study undertaken per week? I will be very grateful on any such information as I cannot wait until September to find out the timetabling information as I need to start preparing myself now due to the fact that waiting till next year is not the best optuon for me. Thank you all who read through. Any information will be appreciated, no matter how little.

Mel.
Dear Costa,

I happen to be following discussions do far onboard regarding Maritime law study. I am however stuck between SOTON and Swansea. So far, I have made applications to both universities and they have offered me places. My problem is that I would like to put my finances together and would not want to work whether part or full time as I do need to zero in my whole time to the poatgraduate study. That is the only way I will do very well. The problem here is that SOTON requires a down payment of 1000 Pounds and if I happen to change my mind to start nextyear, I loose the money as I cannot differ the admission. But if I were to start this year, I would need to work in order to support myself so I would need to know how many days of study I will be putting in. I have phoned the universities on information regarding their time tables for the programme this year and they said to me that they do not know yet and that the time tables will only be out the first week prior to commencement of lectures.

Please does anyone who had studied in either of these universities know how many days of study undertaken per week? I will be very grateful on any such information as I cannot wait until September to find out the timetabling information as I need to start preparing myself now due to the fact that waiting till next year is not the best optuon for me. Thank you all who read through. Any information will be appreciated, no matter how little.

Mel.
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kosta
Objective Fact:
It is cheaper to live in Swansea (Wales) than Soton (South England)

I did my LLM at Swansea- depending on your options you will have classes 2 or 3 days of the week.

Subjective comment:

LLM at Swansea was excellent for me!
Objective Fact:
It is cheaper to live in Swansea (Wales) than Soton (South England)

I did my LLM at Swansea- depending on your options you will have classes 2 or 3 days of the week.

Subjective comment:

LLM at Swansea was excellent for me!
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