LLM Maritime Law job prospects
Posted Jul 30, 2012 09:17
I was thinking in applying for an LLM in maritime law from Swansea university.
Can anybody tell me what are the job prospects nowadays??? I wish to work in a maritime law department or in logistics with some company like Maersk or safamarine....I dont know if you study logistics in the LLM......
what do you think??
I was thinking in applying for an LLM in maritime law from Swansea university.
Can anybody tell me what are the job prospects nowadays??? I wish to work in a maritime law department or in logistics with some company like Maersk or safamarine....I dont know if you study logistics in the LLM......
what do you think??
Posted Jul 30, 2012 18:42
Hi all
I was thinking in applying for an LLM in maritime law from Swansea university.
Can anybody tell me what are the job prospects nowadays??? I wish to work in a maritime law department or in logistics with some company like Maersk or safamarine....I dont know if you study logistics in the LLM......
what do you think??
Unfortunately your posting is not specific enough - there is no such thing as "one job market" for LLM graduates.
The decisive questions are:
Where? (HQ of the respective company, regional branch office etc.)
In what function? (Lawyer/Legal Counsel, Paralegal or support staff)
What are your current qualifications? (Fully qualified lawyer in the UK, in XY; experience in the industry etc...)
As far as the value of an LLM as an entry ticket to the operative business (logistics) of a shipping company is concerned, the value amounts to exactly zero.
If you already had experience in the operative business, the LLM might act as a career-booster, that is an entirely different matter, though.
Bye
flori
<blockquote>Hi all
I was thinking in applying for an LLM in maritime law from Swansea university.
Can anybody tell me what are the job prospects nowadays??? I wish to work in a maritime law department or in logistics with some company like Maersk or safamarine....I dont know if you study logistics in the LLM......
what do you think??</blockquote>
Unfortunately your posting is not specific enough - there is no such thing as "one job market" for LLM graduates.
The decisive questions are:
Where? (HQ of the respective company, regional branch office etc.)
In what function? (Lawyer/Legal Counsel, Paralegal or support staff)
What are your current qualifications? (Fully qualified lawyer in the UK, in XY; experience in the industry etc...)
As far as the value of an LLM as an entry ticket to the operative business (logistics) of a shipping company is concerned, the value amounts to exactly zero.
If you already had experience in the operative business, the LLM might act as a career-booster, that is an entirely different matter, though.
Bye
flori
Posted Jul 30, 2012 21:09
I dont have any experience in this field of law (I'm just a civil lawyer) but I'd like to focus my career on it. The idea is to work within a branch office in the legal counsel or logistics
- Do you know of any good master in maritime law & logistics together? or It would be better to pursue both separetrly?
- I was wondering if It's a good idea to pursue an LLM in one hand and on the other the MBA in shipping and logistics from the "LLoyds Academy" or some similar diploma in logistics by distance learning as well....any idea???
I dont have any experience in this field of law (I'm just a civil lawyer) but I'd like to focus my career on it. The idea is to work within a branch office in the legal counsel or logistics
- Do you know of any good master in maritime law & logistics together? or It would be better to pursue both separetrly?
- I was wondering if It's a good idea to pursue an LLM in one hand and on the other the MBA in shipping and logistics from the "LLoyds Academy" or some similar diploma in logistics by distance learning as well....any idea???
Posted Jul 30, 2012 22:07
Thanks for your message Flori
I dont have any experience in this field of law (I'm just a civil lawyer) but I'd like to focus my career on it. The idea is to work within a branch office in the legal counsel or logistics
Well, the most import thing first - I don't want to be the one to shatter your "logistics"-dreams and my opinion is just what it is, an opinion. However, in my opinion this option simply is not a realistic one without any practical experience in the logistics field.
- Do you know of any good master in maritime law & logistics together?
No.
or It would be better to pursue both separetrly?
No - in my eyes the amassment of degrees definitely is not a feasible entry ticket into the operative business.
- I was wondering if It's a good idea to pursue an LLM in one hand and on the other the MBA in shipping and logistics from the "LLoyds Academy" or some similar diploma in logistics by distance learning as well....any idea???
http://www.mba4shipping.com/
Yes. The networking opportunities offered by an online course will be marginal. Without experience and without contacts the whole endeavor will be futile.
I am terribly sorry, I would have preferred to write a more optimistic posting about the logistics-part...
Legal Counsel: Would working as a maritime lawyer be a realistic option for you? If so and with a few years of experience in this legal field, the opportunity of working as an in-house counsel of a shipping company might arise at some point in your career.
Bye
flori
<blockquote>Thanks for your message Flori
I dont have any experience in this field of law (I'm just a civil lawyer) but I'd like to focus my career on it. The idea is to work within a branch office in the legal counsel or logistics
</blockquote>
Well, the most import thing first - I don't want to be the one to shatter your "logistics"-dreams and my opinion is just what it is, an opinion. However, in my opinion this option simply is not a realistic one without any practical experience in the logistics field.
<blockquote>
- Do you know of any good master in maritime law & logistics together?
</blockquote>
No.
<blockquote>
or It would be better to pursue both separetrly?
</blockquote>
No - in my eyes the amassment of degrees definitely is not a feasible entry ticket into the operative business.
<blockquote>
- I was wondering if It's a good idea to pursue an LLM in one hand and on the other the MBA in shipping and logistics from the "LLoyds Academy" or some similar diploma in logistics by distance learning as well....any idea???
http://www.mba4shipping.com/</blockquote>
Yes. The networking opportunities offered by an online course will be marginal. Without experience and without contacts the whole endeavor will be futile.
I am terribly sorry, I would have preferred to write a more optimistic posting about the logistics-part...
Legal Counsel: Would working as a maritime lawyer be a realistic option for you? If so and with a few years of experience in this legal field, the opportunity of working as an in-house counsel of a shipping company might arise at some point in your career.
Bye
flori
Posted Jul 31, 2012 00:48
1. The thing is: how anyone could join the logistic world??? not a master without work experience then how I get the work experience??? Should I studied other degree instead of law???
2. If Im a lawyer without any previous work experience regarding the maritime law (speaking about the job market nowadays), is there any REALISTIC possibility of having my career boosted to this field of law (legal counsil, law firm, etc) if I study an LLM p,e, at Swansea or Southamptom or the market is just collapsed in UK (I supose there are not many law firms as this field is very specific)???. Frankly, I cannot see the statistics of the mentioned unversities and that's why I'm a bit suspicious..... I dont know what happened witht he previous students....
3.In any case, besides from the above, the distance learning (MBA) from places like Middlesex university (they develop their programs together with Lloyd's academy)? are useful and are "well reputated" or just for collecting certificates without any value?
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/oil_and_gas_mba.aspx
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/shipping_logistics_mba.aspx
Thank you very much one more time Flori
1. The thing is: how anyone could join the logistic world??? not a master without work experience then how I get the work experience??? Should I studied other degree instead of law???
2. If Im a lawyer without any previous work experience regarding the maritime law (speaking about the job market nowadays), is there any REALISTIC possibility of having my career boosted to this field of law (legal counsil, law firm, etc) if I study an LLM p,e, at Swansea or Southamptom or the market is just collapsed in UK (I supose there are not many law firms as this field is very specific)???. Frankly, I cannot see the statistics of the mentioned unversities and that's why I'm a bit suspicious..... I dont know what happened witht he previous students....
3.In any case, besides from the above, the distance learning (MBA) from places like Middlesex university (they develop their programs together with Lloyd's academy)? are useful and are "well reputated" or just for collecting certificates without any value?
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/oil_and_gas_mba.aspx
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/shipping_logistics_mba.aspx
Thank you very much one more time Flori
Posted Jul 31, 2012 06:45
Thanks for your message Flori... I appreciate very much your realistic comments..Seriously... I am very grateful
1. The thing is: how anyone could join the logistic world??? not a master without work experience then how I get the work experience??? Should I studied other degree instead of law???
Other degree: As far as the core logistics operative business the value as an entry ticket of a law degree would roughly be the same as a degree in English Literature or Medicine.
There are dedicated logistics programmes at universities or other, more-practically orientated education institutions (universities of applied science, colleges etc.) starting at day 0 - not 5, 6, 7, 8 years (roughly the length of becoming a fully-qualified lawyer in a civil law country) later.
Furthermore at least in some countries there are excellent "apprenticeships" or dual-systems studies (50% at the workplace, 50% in class) in this area - and yes, from my first-hand experience as a legal counsellor at one of the largest European trading enterprise groups those programmes offer splendid career opportunities.
2. If Im a lawyer without any previous work experience regarding the maritime law (speaking about the job market nowadays), is there any REALISTIC possibility of having my career boosted to this field of law (legal counsil, law firm, etc) if I study an LLM p,e, at Swansea or Southamptom or the market is just collapsed in UK (I supose there are not many law firms as this field is very specific)???
Legal counsel in a shipping company: Without any previous experience, the option does not seem feasible to me at all - sorry...
Law firm: If I understand your posting correctly, you are aiming for a job in the UK market - without any previous work experience, internships or other training it will certainly be difficult, but not impossible - you will have to choose a programme with very close industry ties, deliver a stunning performance in the programme and manage to get yourself an internship/stage/summer placement, though.
3.In any case, besides from the above, the distance learning (MBA) from places like Middlesex university (they develop their programs together with Lloyd's academy)? are useful and are "well reputated" or just for collecting certificates without any value?
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/oil_and_gas_mba.aspx
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/shipping_logistics_mba.aspx
Well, they might be well reputated or not - the decisive point is that such a programme will not provide you with the required networking opportunities. If you decide to further pursue the whole maritime industry idea, you need a programme where you get to know people already in the maritime industry...
Bye
flori
<blockquote>Thanks for your message Flori... I appreciate very much your realistic comments..Seriously... I am very grateful
1. The thing is: how anyone could join the logistic world??? not a master without work experience then how I get the work experience??? Should I studied other degree instead of law???
</blockquote>
Other degree: As far as the core logistics operative business the value as an entry ticket of a law degree would roughly be the same as a degree in English Literature or Medicine.
There are dedicated logistics programmes at universities or other, more-practically orientated education institutions (universities of applied science, colleges etc.) starting at day 0 - not 5, 6, 7, 8 years (roughly the length of becoming a fully-qualified lawyer in a civil law country) later.
Furthermore at least in some countries there are excellent "apprenticeships" or dual-systems studies (50% at the workplace, 50% in class) in this area - and yes, from my first-hand experience as a legal counsellor at one of the largest European trading enterprise groups those programmes offer splendid career opportunities.
<blockquote>
2. If Im a lawyer without any previous work experience regarding the maritime law (speaking about the job market nowadays), is there any REALISTIC possibility of having my career boosted to this field of law (legal counsil, law firm, etc) if I study an LLM p,e, at Swansea or Southamptom or the market is just collapsed in UK (I supose there are not many law firms as this field is very specific)???
</blockquote>
Legal counsel in a shipping company: Without any previous experience, the option does not seem feasible to me at all - sorry...
Law firm: If I understand your posting correctly, you are aiming for a job in the UK market - without any previous work experience, internships or other training it will certainly be difficult, but not impossible - you will have to choose a programme with very close industry ties, deliver a stunning performance in the programme and manage to get yourself an internship/stage/summer placement, though.
<blockquote>
3.In any case, besides from the above, the distance learning (MBA) from places like Middlesex university (they develop their programs together with Lloyd's academy)? are useful and are "well reputated" or just for collecting certificates without any value?
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/oil_and_gas_mba.aspx
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/business_and_management/shipping_logistics_mba.aspx
</blockquote>
Well, they might be well reputated or not - the decisive point is that such a programme will not provide you with the required networking opportunities. If you decide to further pursue the whole maritime industry idea, you need a programme where you get to know people already in the maritime industry...
Bye
flori
Posted Jul 31, 2012 17:04
I am basically a seafarer with around 14 years of experience. I have last sailed as master on LPG ships. I am pursuing LLB at the moment in India and plan to do LLM from UK mostlikely from Swansea or Southompton.
1. I will seek your advice for what will be the options for me after doing my LLM.
2. Is it possible to get some job experience after LLM in UK.
3. Which one will be better for me either LLM in Maritime law or LLM in maritime & commercial law.
4. Pls give me any other important advice from your experience as It is very important career change over for me.
thanks in advance.
BRDS
Abhi
I am basically a seafarer with around 14 years of experience. I have last sailed as master on LPG ships. I am pursuing LLB at the moment in India and plan to do LLM from UK mostlikely from Swansea or Southompton.
1. I will seek your advice for what will be the options for me after doing my LLM.
2. Is it possible to get some job experience after LLM in UK.
3. Which one will be better for me either LLM in Maritime law or LLM in maritime & commercial law.
4. Pls give me any other important advice from your experience as It is very important career change over for me.
thanks in advance.
BRDS
Abhi
Posted Jul 31, 2012 19:15
Hallo flori,
I am basically a seafarer with around 14 years of experience. I have last sailed as master on LPG ships. I am pursuing LLB at the moment in India and plan to do LLM from UK mostlikely from Swansea or Southompton.
Before going into details I frankly admit that I am not overly familiar with the career prospects for someone with a background in seafaring. Consequently, all my answers amount to a more or _less_ educated guess:
1. I will seek your advice for what will be the options for me after doing my LLM.
Realistic options would probably include:
- logistics/adminstrative/claims handling dept. of a shipping company
- Marine insurance industry
- maybe one of the classification societies
Not so realistic: Position as a _legal_ counsel_ in the _legal_ department of a shipping company
2. Is it possible to get some job experience after LLM in UK.
Yes - especially if you pull the right strings. Choose your programme wisely, impress the lecturers with industry ties, allude to the fact that you might be interested in getting some experience over the summer period (taught classes will be over by then, you "only" have to write the dissertation)
3. Which one will be better for me either LLM in Maritime law or LLM in maritime & commercial law.
The title of the programme does not matter at all. Still, you have to choose your modules wisely - try to avoid non-sense "LLM Maritime & Commercial Law"-combinations like three core maritime law modules + E-Commerce (just an example)
4. Pls give me any other important advice from your experience as It is very important career change over for me.
Please take the LLM brochures/leaflets with a grain of salt. Whilst I perfectly understand the reasons why the brochures are as they are (In the end, lecturers want to put food on the family table as well), they amount to no more than (or no less than) advertisements of the legal education industry.
Bye
flori
<blockquote>Hallo flori,
I am basically a seafarer with around 14 years of experience. I have last sailed as master on LPG ships. I am pursuing LLB at the moment in India and plan to do LLM from UK mostlikely from Swansea or Southompton.
</blockquote>
Before going into details I frankly admit that I am not overly familiar with the career prospects for someone with a background in seafaring. Consequently, all my answers amount to a more or _less_ educated guess:
<blockquote>
1. I will seek your advice for what will be the options for me after doing my LLM.
</blockquote>
Realistic options would probably include:
- logistics/adminstrative/claims handling dept. of a shipping company
- Marine insurance industry
- maybe one of the classification societies
Not so realistic: Position as a _legal_ counsel_ in the _legal_ department of a shipping company
<blockquote>
2. Is it possible to get some job experience after LLM in UK.</blockquote>
Yes - especially if you pull the right strings. Choose your programme wisely, impress the lecturers with industry ties, allude to the fact that you might be interested in getting some experience over the summer period (taught classes will be over by then, you "only" have to write the dissertation)
<blockquote>
3. Which one will be better for me either LLM in Maritime law or LLM in maritime & commercial law.
</blockquote>
The title of the programme does not matter at all. Still, you have to choose your modules wisely - try to avoid non-sense "LLM Maritime & Commercial Law"-combinations like three core maritime law modules + E-Commerce (just an example)
<blockquote>
4. Pls give me any other important advice from your experience as It is very important career change over for me.
</blockquote>
Please take the LLM brochures/leaflets with a grain of salt. Whilst I perfectly understand the reasons why the brochures are as they are (In the end, lecturers want to put food on the family table as well), they amount to no more than (or no less than) advertisements of the legal education industry.
Bye
flori
Posted Aug 02, 2012 07:39
Posted Aug 02, 2012 07:59
Btw flori is NOT floris. As a lawyer you should be more cautious when judging on someone else.
Also, please face the truth that foreign lawyers struggle to find jobs in the UK. Don't mislead other users about this.
Btw flori is NOT floris. As a lawyer you should be more cautious when judging on someone else.
Also, please face the truth that foreign lawyers struggle to find jobs in the UK. Don't mislead other users about this.
Posted Aug 02, 2012 08:12
The world is changing and learn to live with your fellow human beings irrespective of where they come from. This is an educative forum for reasonable people and people who ferment BNP and EDL views must be kicked out. Visit the other continents on this site and you will never see the like of "Flori coomments". Why only on UK page? Answer me!
The world is changing and learn to live with your fellow human beings irrespective of where they come from. This is an educative forum for reasonable people and people who ferment BNP and EDL views must be kicked out. Visit the other continents on this site and you will never see the like of "Flori coomments". Why only on UK page? Answer me!
Posted Aug 02, 2012 09:26
Re flori vs floris, just look here and you will see that these are two different persons:
http://www.llm-guide.com/about/flori
http://www.llm-guide.com/about/floris
Let's not insult each other but discuss topics relevant for llm applicants.
Re flori vs floris, just look here and you will see that these are two different persons:
http://www.llm-guide.com/about/flori
http://www.llm-guide.com/about/floris
Let's not insult each other but discuss topics relevant for llm applicants.
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