How important is the Toefl Score?


I believe the Toefl Score is one the most important aspects for a good application to the LLM programs. The first time I took the test (three years ago) I got a 263 score, which I considered was not bad at all.

Nonetheless, when I applied only to Harvard I was not admitted. I believe other aspects could explain my rejection, but I still think that my Toefl could have been better.

Last year I took the Toefl for a second time (IBT) and I obtained the following scores: Reading: 29/30; Listening: 29/30; Speaking: 29/30 and Writing: 27/30, for an overall score of 114/120, which I believe is quite good.

This year I have been admitted until now by Columbia and Georgetown, but still wonder what will happen with my other applications to Yale, Hvd and NYU.

How has been your experience in this matter?

How important do you think this issue is?
I believe the Toefl Score is one the most important aspects for a good application to the LLM programs. The first time I took the test (three years ago) I got a 263 score, which I considered was not bad at all.

Nonetheless, when I applied only to Harvard I was not admitted. I believe other aspects could explain my rejection, but I still think that my Toefl could have been better.

Last year I took the Toefl for a second time (IBT) and I obtained the following scores: Reading: 29/30; Listening: 29/30; Speaking: 29/30 and Writing: 27/30, for an overall score of 114/120, which I believe is quite good.

This year I have been admitted until now by Columbia and Georgetown, but still wonder what will happen with my other applications to Yale, Hvd and NYU.

How has been your experience in this matter?

How important do you think this issue is?
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Daverod
My opinion is quite simple: The Toefl score won't get you in but it can surely get you out, specially if you don't get 100 points or more. If one manages to do that, it stops affecting in any way your application.
My opinion is quite simple: The Toefl score won't get you in but it can surely get you out, specially if you don't get 100 points or more. If one manages to do that, it stops affecting in any way your application.
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I dont think that the TOEFL score determinates if you get admitted or rejected to a certain LLM program, there are many LLM students who get admitted to great and prestigious programs without accomplishing 100% the TOEFL requirements. It only gives the institution a general opinion about you English abilities in order to establish if you are able to follow up classes and studies.

For example an IBT score of 98 can give you access to a school with a 100 score requirement.

My opinion is that the University takes the personal statement or statement of purpose, Résumé, and all your credentials, including the TOEFL score, in order to make a solid decision.
I don’t think that the TOEFL score determinates if you get admitted or rejected to a certain LLM program, there are many LLM students who get admitted to great and prestigious programs without accomplishing 100% the TOEFL requirements. It only gives the institution a general opinion about you English abilities in order to establish if you are able to follow up classes and studies.

For example an IBT score of 98 can give you access to a school with a 100 score requirement.

My opinion is that the University takes the personal statement or statement of purpose, Résumé, and all your credentials, including the TOEFL score, in order to make a solid decision.
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Jammin
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THE TOEFL is just qualifying; not a deciding factor at all. Most of the law schools have TOEFL waiver also if your first law degree was in English medium; in any case, the admission decision has nothing to do with your TOEFL score.
THE TOEFL is just qualifying; not a deciding factor at all. Most of the law schools have TOEFL waiver also if your first law degree was in English medium; in any case, the admission decision has nothing to do with your TOEFL score.
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Rej
Exactly! If you weren't accepted to Harvard the first time maybe you are not good enough for them (as I was not either)...
Exactly! If you weren't accepted to Harvard the first time maybe you are not good enough for them (as I was not either)...
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pamelax9
Hi guys.
I just got my score in the IBT and got an 82!!.. How bad is that? I mean, Am i oficially out of consideration? I have a great resume and excelent academis records?

thank you.
Hi guys.
I just got my score in the IBT and got an 82!!.. How bad is that? I mean, Am i oficially out of consideration? I have a great resume and excelent academis records?

thank you.
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maxus
You should have at least 87 in order to be considered. This is the bottom line for some law schools.
You should have at least 87 in order to be considered. This is the bottom line for some law schools.
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For what school? That seems relatively low, at least for some LLM admissions requirements. I know that UCL, for instance, requires a (somewhat arbitrary) TOEFL score of 109 for applicants to be considered - although in this program, as in others, you can also submit other tests instead, like the IELTS or the Pearson Test.

Harvard and Georgetown require non-native English speakers to score at least 100 on the TOEFL... But this can be waived if you did your first law degree in English.
For what school? That seems relatively low, at least for some LLM admissions requirements. I know that UCL, for instance, requires a (somewhat arbitrary) TOEFL score of 109 for applicants to be considered - although in this program, as in others, you can also submit other tests instead, like the IELTS or the Pearson Test.

Harvard and Georgetown require non-native English speakers to score at least 100 on the TOEFL... But this can be waived if you did your first law degree in English.
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maxus
For University of Minnesota, Cornell and many others the bottom line is 79 . I have some doubts about 109. This result is unattainable even for some americans. If english is your weak point than you should have a strong point in order to be admitted.
For University of Minnesota, Cornell and many others the bottom line is 79 . I have some doubts about 109. This result is unattainable even for some americans. If english is your weak point than you should have a strong point in order to be admitted.
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chicken so...
I have some doubts about 109. This result is unattainable even for some americans.

Indeed - but for highly competitive programs, a high bottom line score provides a way for law schools to set the bar high for international applicants. You have to imagine that some of these programs receive many, many applications from international students, and a school like Harvard doesn't have enough room for everybody!
<blockquote>I have some doubts about 109. This result is unattainable even for some americans.</blockquote>
Indeed - but for highly competitive programs, a high bottom line score provides a way for law schools to set the bar high for international applicants. You have to imagine that some of these programs receive many, many applications from international students, and a school like Harvard doesn't have enough room for everybody!
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