LL.M. in Finance - Institute For Law and Finance at Goethe University - Germany


Tochi

Hi everybody

I m one of those who (i) have never had a doubt in chosing the LLM at the Goethe University and (ii) have been luckly admitted.

I truly would love to receive your feedbacks on the following because I am kind of confused. So please share your experiences with me..

Considering I will need to quit my job in a leading Italian Law firm and that I am not going to have any financial aid, I would like to know which kind of job oportunities have enjoyed those of you who have already earned the LLM degre?!

To be direct and honest:
PEOPE WHO HAVE FINISHED THEIR STUDIES AT THE ILF, WAHT ARE YOU DOING NOW??????

Thanks

Hi everybody

I m one of those who (i) have never had a doubt in chosing the LLM at the Goethe University and (ii) have been luckly admitted.

I truly would love to receive your feedbacks on the following because I am kind of confused. So please share your experiences with me..

Considering I will need to quit my job in a leading Italian Law firm and that I am not going to have any financial aid, I would like to know which kind of job oportunities have enjoyed those of you who have already earned the LLM degre?!

To be direct and honest:
PEOPE WHO HAVE FINISHED THEIR STUDIES AT THE ILF, WAHT ARE YOU DOING NOW??????

Thanks

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nic43

Try also the website of hte university of St. Gallen. They offer a really good program.

Try also the website of hte university of St. Gallen. They offer a really good program.
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Mate,

I am not a former student yet, but already got a job offer at Price Waterhouse and Coopers. There is a Brazilian friend at Clifford Chance and two other alumni at PwC.

Quite sure that there are many other around.

Cheers,

R

Mate,

I am not a former student yet, but already got a job offer at Price Waterhouse and Coopers. There is a Brazilian friend at Clifford Chance and two other alumni at PwC.

Quite sure that there are many other around.

Cheers,

R
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Ehxxan

Rafael,
Thank for yr contribution and apologize for my stupid question: Do the sponsors have approach toward student before the start of internship and is there any sort of liaison with those institutions during the course? In the other word, I was wondering to find out regarding the relationship between students and sponsor and to find out whether it is limited to internship program?
Furthermore, is there any chance for learning German during the program?

Thank you .

Rafael,
Thank for yr contribution and apologize for my stupid question: Do the sponsors have approach toward student before the start of internship and is there any sort of liaison with those institutions during the course? In the other word, I was wondering to find out regarding the relationship between students and sponsor and to find out whether it is limited to internship program?
Furthermore, is there any chance for learning German during the program?

Thank you ….
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Well,

The Institute will promote several opportunities to get in contact with these important guys. This year we had the celebration of the Institute Anniversary, a special meeting/lunch with sponsors representatives, and the internship for sure.

It is interesting to observe that these guys will be your professors during the year, so it is quite easy to be in contact with them. Just do not expect that they will be offering jobs for everbody all the time because it is not like that. They are really polite, interested on knowing the students, but a bit conservative on these matters. It is necessary to know your limits and how to benefit from these contacts.

Regarding German language courses, It will be possible to run a free german course at the University and go for private institutes. I would recommend two places: (i) Berlitz, and (ii) Goethe Institute. These are the best, but the most expensive!!

Cheers,

Rafael

Well,

The Institute will promote several opportunities to get in contact with these important guys. This year we had the celebration of the Institute Anniversary, a special meeting/lunch with sponsors representatives, and the internship for sure.

It is interesting to observe that these guys will be your professors during the year, so it is quite easy to be in contact with them. Just do not expect that they will be offering jobs for everbody all the time because it is not like that. They are really polite, interested on knowing the students, but a bit conservative on these matters. It is necessary to know your limits and how to benefit from these contacts.

Regarding German language courses, It will be possible to run a free german course at the University and go for private institutes. I would recommend two places: (i) Berlitz, and (ii) Goethe Institute. These are the best, but the most expensive!!

Cheers,

Rafael

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Indlaw

Hello,

Is there anybody else applying for the LLM in Finance at the ILF to 2008/2009?

Is there anybody that had attended this LL.M in the past to provide me a feedback?

I heard a lot of great things about them in special regarding a high rate of scholarships granted and a high rate of graduates getting jobs in the prestigious market of Frankfurt after the program.

Also, there are one of the few programs that accept business guys and lawyers. Thus, discussions in class must be even better and considerable abrangent.

If somebody could share experiences and wishes it would be great!!

Cheers...


Hi Finance Guy,
I too have got an offer for LL.m this year at ILF. It was deliberate choice which i made after going thru the course structure, subject, faculty and last but certainly not the least the "Sponsors". After having applied to ILf and also getting an offer, ppl have instilled thoughts like why Germany and why not London? recognition of ILF amoungs international employers etc.

Truly these quesitons have got me in the "introspection mode".
BTw are u picking up this course for sure this year? and where are you from?

Indlaw

<blockquote>Hello,

Is there anybody else applying for the LLM in Finance at the ILF to 2008/2009?

Is there anybody that had attended this LL.M in the past to provide me a feedback?

I heard a lot of great things about them in special regarding a high rate of scholarships granted and a high rate of graduates getting jobs in the prestigious market of Frankfurt after the program.

Also, there are one of the few programs that accept business guys and lawyers. Thus, discussions in class must be even better and considerable abrangent.

If somebody could share experiences and wishes it would be great!!

Cheers... </blockquote>

Hi Finance Guy,
I too have got an offer for LL.m this year at ILF. It was deliberate choice which i made after going thru the course structure, subject, faculty and last but certainly not the least the "Sponsors". After having applied to ILf and also getting an offer, ppl have instilled thoughts like why Germany and why not London? recognition of ILF amoungs international employers etc.

Truly these quesitons have got me in the "introspection mode".
BTw are u picking up this course for sure this year? and where are you from?

Indlaw
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Indlaw

Well,

The Institute will promote several opportunities to get in contact with these important guys. This year we had the celebration of the Institute Anniversary, a special meeting/lunch with sponsors representatives, and the internship for sure.

It is interesting to observe that these guys will be your professors during the year, so it is quite easy to be in contact with them. Just do not expect that they will be offering jobs for everbody all the time because it is not like that. They are really polite, interested on knowing the students, but a bit conservative on these matters. It is necessary to know your limits and how to benefit from these contacts.

Regarding German language courses, It will be possible to run a free german course at the University and go for private institutes. I would recommend two places: (i) Berlitz, and (ii) Goethe Institute. These are the best, but the most expensive!!

Cheers,

Rafael



Hi Rafael,
Thanks for the helpfuland certainly extremly positive insights about the course. You mentioned abt PwC. Would you know more about the link between the ILF-Students and- the Law Firm that sponsor the course??
I ask this because the sponsors page on ILF's website looks really intresting and can certainly draw a lot of interest and attention. But how is the situation or the ground reality at ILF qua these Law firms sponsoring ILF.

Needless to say, i am a Corporate Lawyer who has been offered an admission for 08-09 LL.m at ILF.

Shall wait for your reply.
Indlaw

<blockquote>Well,

The Institute will promote several opportunities to get in contact with these important guys. This year we had the celebration of the Institute Anniversary, a special meeting/lunch with sponsors representatives, and the internship for sure.

It is interesting to observe that these guys will be your professors during the year, so it is quite easy to be in contact with them. Just do not expect that they will be offering jobs for everbody all the time because it is not like that. They are really polite, interested on knowing the students, but a bit conservative on these matters. It is necessary to know your limits and how to benefit from these contacts.

Regarding German language courses, It will be possible to run a free german course at the University and go for private institutes. I would recommend two places: (i) Berlitz, and (ii) Goethe Institute. These are the best, but the most expensive!!

Cheers,

Rafael

</blockquote>

Hi Rafael,
Thanks for the helpfuland certainly extremly positive insights about the course. You mentioned abt PwC. Would you know more about the link between the ILF-Students and- the Law Firm that sponsor the course??
I ask this because the sponsors page on ILF's website looks really intresting and can certainly draw a lot of interest and attention. But how is the situation or the ground reality at ILF qua these Law firms sponsoring ILF.

Needless to say, i am a Corporate Lawyer who has been offered an admission for 08-09 LL.m at ILF.

Shall wait for your reply.
Indlaw
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Ehxxan

Although i'm not a current student yet, but this might be helpful:
http://www.allenovery.com/AOWEB/GraduateCareers/AdditionalPage.aspx?pageID=34204&countryID=18722&prefLangID=410

Although i'm not a current student yet, but this might be helpful:
http://www.allenovery.com/AOWEB/GraduateCareers/AdditionalPage.aspx?pageID=34204&countryID=18722&prefLangID=410
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albygrotta

QUESTIONS FOR OLD ILF STUDENTS: :)
1) which modules have you choosen?
2) how is recognised ILF in order to be hired from firms or other companies outside Germany?
3) i've got offerts from Warwick univ to attend LLM in international and financial regulations , which do you consider the best one between warwick and ILF?

thanks everyone

QUESTIONS FOR OLD ILF STUDENTS: :)
1) which modules have you choosen?
2) how is recognised ILF in order to be hired from firms or other companies outside Germany?
3) i've got offerts from Warwick univ to attend LLM in international and financial regulations , which do you consider the best one between warwick and ILF?

thanks everyone
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nibhroig

Hi.

Just a couple of questions to students already at the ILF:

Are many people in the class just out of an undergraduate degree or do most people have a few years professional experience?

Also, do many people have german or is english the language used on a day to day basis outside lectures?

Hi.

Just a couple of questions to students already at the ILF:

Are many people in the class just out of an undergraduate degree or do most people have a few years professional experience?

Also, do many people have german or is english the language used on a day to day basis outside lectures?
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PP65468

I'd be interested in these questions too. In particular:

1) Which business courses would you recommend for law students?

2) Are there any connections for internships and/or job placements in the London market?

Thanks in advance.

I'd be interested in these questions too. In particular:

1) Which business courses would you recommend for law students?

2) Are there any connections for internships and/or job placements in the London market?

Thanks in advance.
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Mr. Lawyer

Hello Guys,

Well, I will try to answer some of your questions.

Regarding which university is the best, I cannot say. For example, I lived in the UK for almost one year, know that Warwick is a great place to study law, but cannot compare it with the ILF. I would come to Frankfurt, since the internship opportunities and the size of the firms at the town are much bigger. In the UK, you will have to search for things in London. Therefore, go for one of the University of London Colleges or come to Frankfurt.

Regarding the business courses, I would say your choice should be based on the level of dedication your are expecting to spend with them. For example, Fundamentals of Finance will almost kill you. It is a lot of work, an incredible course but way too demanding. Accounting is quite hard as well, loads of things to do but more affordable since the time spend in class are half in comparison to the other. A very nice subject, good academic professor, fair exam is Monetary policy and Financial Regulation. I would say it is essential for understanding the most basic and important principles behind the whole program. The latter, Principles of Economics I did not follow, so cannot say much about.

Regarding job opportunities: Frankfurt market not only knows the ILF, they support it. Still, the ILF is, for sure, well known in London and will be much more with the innauguration of the Hause of Finance. However, the main market for students is Frankfurt.

Finally, The class is formed most by students with some work experience. In an average, I would say 2 to 3 years. Yet, there are some freshers and other with a decade of experience.

Ciao

Hello Guys,

Well, I will try to answer some of your questions.

Regarding which university is the best, I cannot say. For example, I lived in the UK for almost one year, know that Warwick is a great place to study law, but cannot compare it with the ILF. I would come to Frankfurt, since the internship opportunities and the size of the firms at the town are much bigger. In the UK, you will have to search for things in London. Therefore, go for one of the University of London Colleges or come to Frankfurt.

Regarding the business courses, I would say your choice should be based on the level of dedication your are expecting to spend with them. For example, Fundamentals of Finance will almost kill you. It is a lot of work, an incredible course but way too demanding. Accounting is quite hard as well, loads of things to do but more affordable since the time spend in class are half in comparison to the other. A very nice subject, good academic professor, fair exam is Monetary policy and Financial Regulation. I would say it is essential for understanding the most basic and important principles behind the whole program. The latter, Principles of Economics I did not follow, so cannot say much about.

Regarding job opportunities: Frankfurt market not only knows the ILF, they support it. Still, the ILF is, for sure, well known in London and will be much more with the innauguration of the Hause of Finance. However, the main market for students is Frankfurt.

Finally, The class is formed most by students with some work experience. In an average, I would say 2 to 3 years. Yet, there are some freshers and other with a decade of experience.

Ciao
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Ehxxan

to the current students: appreciate addressing the followings:
-are there full flexibility regarding taking and choosing different subjects other than those for law or business graduates?
-how much out of class works is needed normally for each class-hour?
-are there any sort of competition regarding exchange programs and what are the requirements for those interested?
-is there any possibility to extend your internships program beyond 2 month, i.e. are the sponsors open in this regard?
- to what extent the selection of internships institution depends on the course taken?
- are there easy access to reading materials? (availibilty of sources and reference)

to the current students: appreciate addressing the followings:
-are there full flexibility regarding taking and choosing different subjects other than those for law or business graduates?
-how much out of class works is needed normally for each class-hour?
-are there any sort of competition regarding exchange programs and what are the requirements for those interested?
-is there any possibility to extend your internships program beyond 2 month, i.e. are the sponsors open in this regard?
- to what extent the selection of internships institution depends on the course taken?
- are there easy access to reading materials? (availibilty of sources and reference)
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MW

Hi Ehxxan,

I am not completely sure if I understood your first question correctly, but if you mean if students can take as many courses as they want, that is possible. The maximum amount of courses is not limited. In general I would say that doing 6-7 courses per semester is possible if you are willing to study hard.

As to the exchange programs (this year we had only the possibility to go to Columbia so I do not know about the other exchange programs); the selection is purely merit based (i.e. the onest with best average will be offered the place).

As to internships, it depends on the firm you go to and what is their workload at that moment. But in general I would say it is possible but probably not at all places. This year some of the students extended their internships. Quite many of the students also are doing a second internship in the summer.

As far as I know the selection of courses is not critical for the internships.

As to reading materials, most of those will be in course binders provided by the university. For most of the course binders you will have to pay a marginal fee, but some are free. In few courses you will need to resort to the library, which has a good collection of books. Personally I never had a problem getting course materials.

Let me know if you need further info.

Hi Ehxxan,

I am not completely sure if I understood your first question correctly, but if you mean if students can take as many courses as they want, that is possible. The maximum amount of courses is not limited. In general I would say that doing 6-7 courses per semester is possible if you are willing to study hard.

As to the exchange programs (this year we had only the possibility to go to Columbia so I do not know about the other exchange programs); the selection is purely merit based (i.e. the onest with best average will be offered the place).

As to internships, it depends on the firm you go to and what is their workload at that moment. But in general I would say it is possible but probably not at all places. This year some of the students extended their internships. Quite many of the students also are doing a second internship in the summer.

As far as I know the selection of courses is not critical for the internships.

As to reading materials, most of those will be in course binders provided by the university. For most of the course binders you will have to pay a marginal fee, but some are free. In few courses you will need to resort to the library, which has a good collection of books. Personally I never had a problem getting course materials.

Let me know if you need further info.
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juice

Hello everyone.

I sent in my applications on 12 May and got a offer for the 2008 -2009 session today with the condition that i graduate and obtain a final grade at least at the present level as evidenced by the documents i provided in my application. The condition is kind of vague as compared to the King's college offer which specifies the minimum requirement of 2:1. Does anyone have a clue or the same condition as i am? I'm a Malaysian Chinese, fresh law graduate (fresh as in really really young) from Birmingham university (technically i'm not one till next friday). Reading the whole 5 pages of discussion on ILF really helps me in deciding where to go. I am currently compiling a pros and cons list on going to ILF instead of King's LLM and I think ILF will be my choice. But i will only know for sure by next friday when my final results come out and i pray hard it'll be good. I have been to Frankfurt a few times to visit a friend and I love the place even though i do not speak the language. I'll probably take up a summer language course in Frankfurt if i decide to move to Frankfurt early.

As for the accommodation I think i'm going for a private accommodation as the Room Lottery is next week, before i could make up my mind. If anyone here still thinking of accepting the offer and living in uni accommodation you have to act fast.

I applied to ILF with my Uni transcripts, certified copy of A levels certificate (which I actually misplaced in Malaysia and had to call up old classmate to locate and Fedex over), two reference letters from my lecturers in Birmingham, a cv and a statement from my uni explaining the lack of class ranking system. No letter of intention or statement of purpose. I asked Miss Riotte Regina from ILF a lot of questions and she has been very helpful and quick with the reply, especially regarding the documents i need to send to ILF and the language requirement. So if you have queries you can look up her email on the ILF website and start asking!

Hope to see my future coursemates in Frankfurt soon!

Hello everyone.

I sent in my applications on 12 May and got a offer for the 2008 -2009 session today with the condition that i graduate and obtain a final grade at least at the present level as evidenced by the documents i provided in my application. The condition is kind of vague as compared to the King's college offer which specifies the minimum requirement of 2:1. Does anyone have a clue or the same condition as i am? I'm a Malaysian Chinese, fresh law graduate (fresh as in really really young) from Birmingham university (technically i'm not one till next friday). Reading the whole 5 pages of discussion on ILF really helps me in deciding where to go. I am currently compiling a pros and cons list on going to ILF instead of King's LLM and I think ILF will be my choice. But i will only know for sure by next friday when my final results come out and i pray hard it'll be good. I have been to Frankfurt a few times to visit a friend and I love the place even though i do not speak the language. I'll probably take up a summer language course in Frankfurt if i decide to move to Frankfurt early.

As for the accommodation I think i'm going for a private accommodation as the Room Lottery is next week, before i could make up my mind. If anyone here still thinking of accepting the offer and living in uni accommodation you have to act fast.

I applied to ILF with my Uni transcripts, certified copy of A levels certificate (which I actually misplaced in Malaysia and had to call up old classmate to locate and Fedex over), two reference letters from my lecturers in Birmingham, a cv and a statement from my uni explaining the lack of class ranking system. No letter of intention or statement of purpose. I asked Miss Riotte Regina from ILF a lot of questions and she has been very helpful and quick with the reply, especially regarding the documents i need to send to ILF and the language requirement. So if you have queries you can look up her email on the ILF website and start asking!

Hope to see my future coursemates in Frankfurt soon!

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dereks

Hi, everybody.

I have several questions:
1. What are the average requirements for class rank?
I'm almost about to complete my two bachelor degrees (in my country it's admissible to pursue them at the same time). The first one is in law and each year my rank was somewhere in the middle, or a bit higher.
The second one is in economics and was in top of the class all years.
2. How important are experience and age?
As I said, I'm about to receive my both bachelor degrees only next May. I also have half a year working experience in Finance & Contracts Section of an International Organization as a clerk.
So, what are my chances? I'm mostly worried about low ranking in law.

Hi, everybody.

I have several questions:
1. What are the average requirements for class rank?
I'm almost about to complete my two bachelor degrees (in my country it's admissible to pursue them at the same time). The first one is in law and each year my rank was somewhere in the middle, or a bit higher.
The second one is in economics and was in top of the class all years.
2. How important are experience and age?
As I said, I'm about to receive my both bachelor degrees only next May. I also have half a year working experience in Finance & Contracts Section of an International Organization as a clerk.
So, what are my chances? I'm mostly worried about low ranking in law.
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Hi,

While i do not have any idea regarding the ranking requirement, 2008-2009 class is made of fresh graduates (say 21 years old) together with lawyers (say max 35) with more than five years of experience.

But you can email them to ask the ranking requirement as they are very open.

Best luck with your application

Hi,

While i do not have any idea regarding the ranking requirement, 2008-2009 class is made of fresh graduates (say 21 years old) together with lawyers (say max 35) with more than five years of experience.

But you can email them to ask the ranking requirement as they are very open.

Best luck with your application
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appu.apsi

hello ppl!!!

i am from india currently in my final yr law!!! i went thro ILF website and found the course very interesting.. i have applied to universities in london. hw good is ILF? plz help me cuz i intend on pursing LLM in finance.. which are the other good universities in london which i can apply for LLM in Finance?

hello ppl!!!

i am from india currently in my final yr law!!! i went thro ILF website and found the course very interesting.. i have applied to universities in london. hw good is ILF? plz help me cuz i intend on pursing LLM in finance.. which are the other good universities in london which i can apply for LLM in Finance?
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saseeh

Hi,

I'm a current student which had received offers from UoL law schools (UCL KCL QM) as well. But i decided to choose ILF for various reasons some of which could be found in llm-guide. I'm quite satisfied with the level and quality of the course and I really enjoy living in Frankfurt. Although I think any decision in this respect is subjective and not objective, u may consult the earlier conversations in this regards!

I would be happy to address your specific questions if any!

Good luck with ur applications

Hi,

I'm a current student which had received offers from UoL law schools (UCL KCL QM) as well. But i decided to choose ILF for various reasons some of which could be found in llm-guide. I'm quite satisfied with the level and quality of the course and I really enjoy living in Frankfurt. Although I think any decision in this respect is subjective and not objective, u may consult the earlier conversations in this regards!

I would be happy to address your specific questions if any!

Good luck with ur applications
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Hi Saseeh....congrats on all the admission offers you have got. Could you please tell when you had applied to UCL and when did you receive the admn offer. Have you applied to LSE as well?

Thanks

Hi Saseeh....congrats on all the admission offers you have got. Could you please tell when you had applied to UCL and when did you receive the admn offer. Have you applied to LSE as well?

Thanks
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