US LLM or Oxbridge ?


Hi everybody,

I have been admitted in an American top 10 (but not top 5) law school. I even have obtained a scholarship.

In the meantime, I have been accepted at Cambridge and will likely have a scholarship too.

I heard many people saying that a US LLM is by far beter than an English one.

But is a top 10 US LLM (but not top 5) beter than a Cambridge LLM ?

Thanks for your answers !

Hi everybody,

I have been admitted in an American top 10 (but not top 5) law school. I even have obtained a scholarship.

In the meantime, I have been accepted at Cambridge and will likely have a scholarship too.

I heard many people saying that a US LLM is by far beter than an English one.

But is a top 10 US LLM (but not top 5) beter than a Cambridge LLM ?

Thanks for your answers !
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trout_face

I'm also very interested in hearing views on this (though I'd ask if a top 10 US LLM, other than Harvard/Yale/Stanford, is better than Cambridge).

I'm also very interested in hearing views on this (though I'd ask if a top 10 US LLM, other than Harvard/Yale/Stanford, is better than Cambridge).
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jsd

My perception is that academically Yale is the best followed by Cambridge - I think these are the places to go if you have academics in mind. In particular, my seniors say that american courses are a bit 'rushed' if you know what I mean.

My perception is that academically Yale is the best followed by Cambridge - I think these are the places to go if you have academics in mind. In particular, my seniors say that american courses are a bit 'rushed' if you know what I mean.
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michaelcor...

i don't think there's a standard answer for this question. if you want to find a job in the US, it's going to be very hard and not even a US LLM will help (unless you are from latin america). so what are you looking to do afterwards?

i don't think there's a standard answer for this question. if you want to find a job in the US, it's going to be very hard and not even a US LLM will help (unless you are from latin america). so what are you looking to do afterwards?
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I would like to work for an American or English law firm but in Europe afterwards. Most of the people working in those firms have an American LLM. But there are great lawyers who did Cambridge. The picture is more complex than it looks like.

At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.

I would like to work for an American or English law firm but in Europe afterwards. Most of the people working in those firms have an American LLM. But there are great lawyers who did Cambridge. The picture is more complex than it looks like.

At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.

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Cambridge all the way.

I have consistently seen articles over the past few years citing a Cambridge LLM as one of the most exclusive and desirable degrees in the world (in all disciplines). An LLM from a U.S. school is really only comparable if it's from one of the super-elite Ivies such as Harvard, Yale, or even Columbia. Cambridge is the best in the UK and one of the very best in the world. I wouldn't think there would even be a question about it.

Cambridge all the way.

I have consistently seen articles over the past few years citing a Cambridge LLM as one of the most exclusive and desirable degrees in the world (in all disciplines). An LLM from a U.S. school is really only comparable if it's from one of the super-elite Ivies such as Harvard, Yale, or even Columbia. Cambridge is the best in the UK and one of the very best in the world. I wouldn't think there would even be a question about it.
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jsd


At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.


That my friend, is a muddle. Academics and for-profit practice are two different realms and should be viewed as such.

<blockquote>
At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.
</blockquote>

That my friend, is a muddle. Academics and for-profit practice are two different realms and should be viewed as such.
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israelrt

Cambridge is the best in the UK


Have you heard of the BCL ?

<blockquote> Cambridge is the best in the UK</blockquote>

Have you heard of the BCL ?
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Cambridge is the best in the UK


Have you heard of the BCL ?


Yes, but that's only applicable really if you're going into straight academia or the bar. Cambridge consistently ranks above Oxford for Law, and in a choice between Cambridge and top-10 US school, there's absolutely no contest.

<blockquote><blockquote> Cambridge is the best in the UK</blockquote>

Have you heard of the BCL ?</blockquote>

Yes, but that's only applicable really if you're going into straight academia or the bar. Cambridge consistently ranks above Oxford for Law, and in a choice between Cambridge and top-10 US school, there's absolutely no contest.
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israelrt

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MAB79


At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.


That my friend, is a muddle. Academics and for-profit practice are two different realms and should be viewed as such.


No, not at all!!! In my country there are many law school teachers, which are partner in a magic circle law firm and beside that also do a lot of academic work (publishing books, research work, teaching etc.).

And btw: I'd go for Cambridge, which is not only one of the oldest schools in the world but also one of the best since centuries!!!

<blockquote><blockquote>
At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.
</blockquote>

That my friend, is a muddle. Academics and for-profit practice are two different realms and should be viewed as such. </blockquote>

No, not at all!!! In my country there are many law school teachers, which are partner in a magic circle law firm and beside that also do a lot of academic work (publishing books, research work, teaching etc.).

And btw: I'd go for Cambridge, which is not only one of the oldest schools in the world but also one of the best since centuries!!!
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d.c.

the best UK law firm, Slaughter, seems not hire LLM, unless you have a LL.B degree and finish the BBP law school at your own expenses. I do not know how about other Magic Circle firms. But my classmates have easily got an offer from Freshfield with an American bar as NYU LL.M.

the best UK law firm, Slaughter, seems not hire LLM, unless you have a LL.B degree and finish the BBP law school at your own expenses. I do not know how about other Magic Circle firms. But my classmates have easily got an offer from Freshfield with an American bar as NYU LL.M.

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MAB79

the best UK law firm, Slaughter, seems not hire LLM, unless you have a LL.B degree and finish the BBP law school at your own expenses. I do not know how about other Magic Circle firms. But my classmates have easily got an offer from Freshfield with an American bar as NYU LL.M.



Is Slaughter and May really No. 1 in Britain? I always thought that they are top, but not as good as Clifford and Chance, Linklaters and Freshfield etc.

<blockquote>the best UK law firm, Slaughter, seems not hire LLM, unless you have a LL.B degree and finish the BBP law school at your own expenses. I do not know how about other Magic Circle firms. But my classmates have easily got an offer from Freshfield with an American bar as NYU LL.M.

</blockquote>

Is Slaughter and May really No. 1 in Britain? I always thought that they are top, but not as good as Clifford and Chance, Linklaters and Freshfield etc.
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dbk

the best UK law firm, Slaughter, seems not hire LLM, unless you have a LL.B degree and finish the BBP law school at your own expenses. I do not know how about other Magic Circle firms. But my classmates have easily got an offer from Freshfield with an American bar as NYU LL.M.



My sister was hired there, with an LLM from Bristol (+ legal studies in France). However, there was a precondition: she had to pass the bar. She did it, and Slaughter paid for her studies.

However, it was 10 years ago, so things may have changed since then.

<blockquote>the best UK law firm, Slaughter, seems not hire LLM, unless you have a LL.B degree and finish the BBP law school at your own expenses. I do not know how about other Magic Circle firms. But my classmates have easily got an offer from Freshfield with an American bar as NYU LL.M.

</blockquote>

My sister was hired there, with an LLM from Bristol (+ legal studies in France). However, there was a precondition: she had to pass the bar. She did it, and Slaughter paid for her studies.

However, it was 10 years ago, so things may have changed since then.
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At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.


That my friend, is a muddle. Academics and for-profit practice are two different realms and should be viewed as such.


No, not at all!!! In my country there are many law school teachers, which are partner in a magic circle law firm and beside that also do a lot of academic work (publishing books, research work, teaching etc.).

And btw: I'd go for Cambridge, which is not only one of the oldest schools in the world but also one of the best since centuries!!!


I totally agree with your point of view. In my country, many professors are partners or counsels in top law firms. I think it is more in the US or in the UK that you cannot combine a career as a lawyer and teaching activities.

I gratefully thank all the people who gave an answer to my question.

I am still wondering since many people in my country who did a LLM did it in the US and not in the UK. It could however mean that they weren't accepted in a university as good as Cambridge.

But I would like to understand why some people, in the past, chose a US law school (not Harvard, Yale or Stanford) over Cambridge.

And how far must the content of the LLM program be a criterion ?

US law school LLM programs are not made in the same way as the Cambridge LLM program. There is less choice of courses in the Cambridge curriculum than in any US LLM curriculum.

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>
At the same time, I have academics in mind. It is possible to combine academic duties and bar activities.

So, my perspective is both professional and academic.
</blockquote>

That my friend, is a muddle. Academics and for-profit practice are two different realms and should be viewed as such. </blockquote>

No, not at all!!! In my country there are many law school teachers, which are partner in a magic circle law firm and beside that also do a lot of academic work (publishing books, research work, teaching etc.).

And btw: I'd go for Cambridge, which is not only one of the oldest schools in the world but also one of the best since centuries!!!</blockquote>

I totally agree with your point of view. In my country, many professors are partners or counsels in top law firms. I think it is more in the US or in the UK that you cannot combine a career as a lawyer and teaching activities.

I gratefully thank all the people who gave an answer to my question.

I am still wondering since many people in my country who did a LLM did it in the US and not in the UK. It could however mean that they weren't accepted in a university as good as Cambridge.

But I would like to understand why some people, in the past, chose a US law school (not Harvard, Yale or Stanford) over Cambridge.

And how far must the content of the LLM program be a criterion ?

US law school LLM programs are not made in the same way as the Cambridge LLM program. There is less choice of courses in the Cambridge curriculum than in any US LLM curriculum.
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jsd



I am still wondering since many people in my country who did a LLM did it in the US and not in the UK. It could however mean that they weren't accepted in a university as good as Cambridge.

But I would like to understand why some people, in the past, chose a US law school (not Harvard, Yale or Stanford) over Cambridge.

US law school LLM programs are not made in the same way as the Cambridge LLM program. There is less choice of courses in the Cambridge curriculum than in any US LLM curriculum.


US Law schools (and by extension their courses) are in general more commercially oriented than oxbridge. They also market themselves more and are able to cultivate a better image about themselves with law firms. That is what draws students. Take Harvard and Oxford for instance - I doubt anyone with less than a decade of experience could distinguish the strenghts and weaknesses of their academic programmes and conclude comprehensively which was was better. In terms of chronology, Oxbridge predates Harvard by more than five hundred years and there is no comparing their alumni either. Yet I believe the perception with most employers is that Harvard is a lot more of an 'exclusive' club.

<blockquote>

I am still wondering since many people in my country who did a LLM did it in the US and not in the UK. It could however mean that they weren't accepted in a university as good as Cambridge.

But I would like to understand why some people, in the past, chose a US law school (not Harvard, Yale or Stanford) over Cambridge.

US law school LLM programs are not made in the same way as the Cambridge LLM program. There is less choice of courses in the Cambridge curriculum than in any US LLM curriculum.</blockquote>

US Law schools (and by extension their courses) are in general more commercially oriented than oxbridge. They also market themselves more and are able to cultivate a better image about themselves with law firms. That is what draws students. Take Harvard and Oxford for instance - I doubt anyone with less than a decade of experience could distinguish the strenghts and weaknesses of their academic programmes and conclude comprehensively which was was better. In terms of chronology, Oxbridge predates Harvard by more than five hundred years and there is no comparing their alumni either. Yet I believe the perception with most employers is that Harvard is a lot more of an 'exclusive' club.
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roadrunner

I studied law as exchange student in Cambrigde. The Faculty was great but I had the feeling that LL.M. students are just a possibility to earn additional money. Undergraduates were always favored. I hope that US Law Schools behave different as I was now accepted at such a school.

I studied law as exchange student in Cambrigde. The Faculty was great but I had the feeling that LL.M. students are just a possibility to earn additional money. Undergraduates were always favored. I hope that US Law Schools behave different as I was now accepted at such a school.
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Xview

This is a difficult question. I have been admitted to nyu with full scholarship and to cls without help. I am still waiting my decision from cambridge and oxford. But I have to accept nyu offer today, do u believe oxbridge is much better than nyu with full scholarship?? thanks. comments are welcome!

This is a difficult question. I have been admitted to nyu with full scholarship and to cls without help. I am still waiting my decision from cambridge and oxford. But I have to accept nyu offer today, do u believe oxbridge is much better than nyu with full scholarship?? thanks. comments are welcome!
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roadrunner

Hallo,
I would accept the offer of NYU. First, what would you do if you don't get an offer form Oxford or Cambridge and said no to NYU. Second, a full scholarship means a year LLM without getting in financial problems. And finally, NYU is not the worst address.

Hallo,
I would accept the offer of NYU. First, what would you do if you don't get an offer form Oxford or Cambridge and said no to NYU. Second, a full scholarship means a year LLM without getting in financial problems. And finally, NYU is not the worst address.
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roadrunner

Perhaps someone could help me.

I got an offer from Cambridge and Yale (still waiting for Harvard and Oxford).

What offer would you accept and why? The problem for me is that the US law schools are that expensive.

Thanks for you answers!

Perhaps someone could help me.

I got an offer from Cambridge and Yale (still waiting for Harvard and Oxford).

What offer would you accept and why? The problem for me is that the US law schools are that expensive.

Thanks for you answers!
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