Urgent~~~Urgent~~~!I need help~~:SMU OR CWRU?


Irene°
I got ADs from SMU and CWRU fof the 2010 fall LLM

I don't know which one to choose right now..
and I have to reply to CWRU before Apr 30th..
So it's really urgent~!!!
SMU: International graduates LLM program..

CWRU: Intellectual property Law.

Which is prefer?

which is better~?

Can someone give me some advices?

Thanks ~~~
I got ADs from SMU and CWRU fof the 2010 fall LLM

I don't know which one to choose right now..
and I have to reply to CWRU before Apr 30th..
So it's really urgent~!!!
SMU: International graduates LLM program..

CWRU: Intellectual property Law.

Which is prefer?

which is better~?

Can someone give me some advices?

Thanks ~~~

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Irene°
Can someone help me~~?

Pls~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can someone help me~~?

Pls~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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It may be that I've spent most of my life in the Northeast and Midwest rather than the South, but Case Western has a far better name in the circles I run in than Southern Methodist. In fact, it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what "SMU" was. Again, this may be a regional thing, and Southern Methodist may have a better name in the South, but all other things being equal, I would probably go for Case Western.

That said, I don't really know enough about your circumstances to say much beyond that...
It may be that I've spent most of my life in the Northeast and Midwest rather than the South, but Case Western has a far better name in the circles I run in than Southern Methodist. In fact, it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what "SMU" was. Again, this may be a regional thing, and Southern Methodist may have a better name in the South, but all other things being equal, I would probably go for Case Western.

That said, I don't really know enough about your circumstances to say much beyond that...
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I'd also recommend Case Western. It's known more generally as a science school.

That said, I would think long and hard before shelling out $$$ to attend either school. Neither's LLM program is well known in the states. Ask them hard questions about job placement, if you are looking to work as an IP attorney in the USA.
I'd also recommend Case Western. It's known more generally as a science school.

That said, I would think long and hard before shelling out $$$ to attend either school. Neither's LLM program is well known in the states. Ask them hard questions about job placement, if you are looking to work as an IP attorney in the USA.
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Irene°
It may be that I've spent most of my life in the Northeast and Midwest rather than the South, but Case Western has a far better name in the circles I run in than Southern Methodist. In fact, it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what "SMU" was. Again, this may be a regional thing, and Southern Methodist may have a better name in the South, but all other things being equal, I would probably go for Case Western.

That said, I don't really know enough about your circumstances to say much beyond that...



I am just a graduate from the school.
My school is not specialized in law,
And My GPA is not high,my IELTS is 6.5
I only have been in a law firm for 6 months for internship.
Though I choose IP law ,I'm sure wether it's a right choice.
I know both schools are not such good for LLM applicants,
and I get some infos from US NEWS and the Law Rankings shows that SMU is a bit higher than CWRU,Is this important during my decision?

Thanks~~
<blockquote>It may be that I've spent most of my life in the Northeast and Midwest rather than the South, but Case Western has a far better name in the circles I run in than Southern Methodist. In fact, it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what "SMU" was. Again, this may be a regional thing, and Southern Methodist may have a better name in the South, but all other things being equal, I would probably go for Case Western.

That said, I don't really know enough about your circumstances to say much beyond that...</blockquote>


I am just a graduate from the school.
My school is not specialized in law,
And My GPA is not high,my IELTS is 6.5
I only have been in a law firm for 6 months for internship.
Though I choose IP law ,I'm sure wether it's a right choice.
I know both schools are not such good for LLM applicants,
and I get some infos from US NEWS and the Law Rankings shows that SMU is a bit higher than CWRU,Is this important during my decision?

Thanks~~
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Irene°
I'd also recommend Case Western. It's known more generally as a science school.

That said, I would think long and hard before shelling out $$$ to attend either school. Neither's LLM program is well known in the states. Ask them hard questions about job placement, if you are looking to work as an IP attorney in the USA.


As I know,The fact is that graduates of LLM programs can hardly find jobs in USA,isn't it?
I see CWRU has a 2-months' internship for LLMs, while SMU didn't provide such information.But one of my friends told me that Dallas is a big city,and there will be more opportunities to find a job.But I don't know how is it in Cleveland.

By the way, I think both of these two schools are not famous for Law, right?
<blockquote>I'd also recommend Case Western. It's known more generally as a science school.

That said, I would think long and hard before shelling out $$$ to attend either school. Neither's LLM program is well known in the states. Ask them hard questions about job placement, if you are looking to work as an IP attorney in the USA.</blockquote>

As I know,The fact is that graduates of LLM programs can hardly find jobs in USA,isn't it?
I see CWRU has a 2-months' internship for LLMs, while SMU didn't provide such information.But one of my friends told me that Dallas is a big city,and there will be more opportunities to find a job.But I don't know how is it in Cleveland.

By the way, I think both of these two schools are not famous for Law, right?
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Irene°
UP up~~
UP up~~
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Correct. Neither is famous for law. And you are also correct that the job market right now is very difficult. So many students burdened with so much debt with so little jobs available. It is sad.
Correct. Neither is famous for law. And you are also correct that the job market right now is very difficult. So many students burdened with so much debt with so little jobs available. It is sad.
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To be fair, however, I imagine one's view of the job situation for students depends on one's perspective. From the perspective of a lawyer in the USA who graduated earlier in the decade when everything was going great guns, it is terrible. People from other parts of the globe may think differently.
To be fair, however, I imagine one's view of the job situation for students depends on one's perspective. From the perspective of a lawyer in the USA who graduated earlier in the decade when everything was going great guns, it is terrible. People from other parts of the globe may think differently.
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Irene°
To be fair, however, I imagine one's view of the job situation for students depends on one's perspective. From the perspective of a lawyer in the USA who graduated earlier in the decade when everything was going great guns, it is terrible. People from other parts of the globe may think differently.


Suppose that I go back to my country after graduating from the school, it would be not worthwhile spending such a big cost studying in SMU? The SMU fee is about 4,000USD higher than that of CWRU.

So , It is good for me to choose a cheaper program, isn't it?

And in addittional,may I ask one more question?
I choose IP law,but I'm not sure whether it is the right choice.May I choose other courses of other aspects,such as the courses for International business law?

Thanks~
<blockquote>To be fair, however, I imagine one's view of the job situation for students depends on one's perspective. From the perspective of a lawyer in the USA who graduated earlier in the decade when everything was going great guns, it is terrible. People from other parts of the globe may think differently.</blockquote>

Suppose that I go back to my country after graduating from the school, it would be not worthwhile spending such a big cost studying in SMU? The SMU fee is about 4,000USD higher than that of CWRU.

So , It is good for me to choose a cheaper program, isn't it?

And in addittional,may I ask one more question?
I choose IP law,but I'm not sure whether it is the right choice.May I choose other courses of other aspects,such as the courses for International business law?

Thanks~
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Y117
Irene

I'm not sure if your discussion is still a live thread. But I'll post my 2 cents and maybe someone else will benefit someday.

For a foreign LL.M. student the Job market is dull in good or bad economy period. Having sad that the Patent Attorney market is best and even in this economical downturn, they are in high demands in almost all states. Some states more than others. For example California needs a lot of IP/Patent Attorneys.

Having sad that a LL.M. for foreign students make them eligible in few states viz. California, Texas, NY, Virginia, D.C. to sit for the bar.

Once you get this bar you are not an Patent Attorney. There is another exam called Patent Bar. Although you need to have a 4 year degree in technical background to be eligible for taking this bar and becoming a Patent Attorney.
(see more on wikipedia or google the USPTO Patent Attorney)


Finale...regarding choosing your major in International Law @ SMU vs Intellectual Property Law @ Case Western. IP Law major without the Patent Bar do not have job prospects (LLMs not JDs) Dallas is 4th or 5th largest job market. Its in a oil rich state texas. Jobs and job growth are better than most states. In your case I would suggest to do a LLM at SMU only because their program is much better and it has a better prospect specially in Oil and Gas Law / International Transactional Practice field.

Additionally, SMU's ranking is steadily going to go up, since its getting the Bush Library and major endowments.

I will write more later.
Hope this helps.
Irene

I'm not sure if your discussion is still a live thread. But I'll post my 2 cents and maybe someone else will benefit someday.

For a foreign LL.M. student the Job market is dull in good or bad economy period. Having sad that the Patent Attorney market is best and even in this economical downturn, they are in high demands in almost all states. Some states more than others. For example California needs a lot of IP/Patent Attorneys.

Having sad that a LL.M. for foreign students make them eligible in few states viz. California, Texas, NY, Virginia, D.C. to sit for the bar.

Once you get this bar you are not an Patent Attorney. There is another exam called Patent Bar. Although you need to have a 4 year degree in technical background to be eligible for taking this bar and becoming a Patent Attorney.
(see more on wikipedia or google the USPTO Patent Attorney)


Finale...regarding choosing your major in International Law @ SMU vs Intellectual Property Law @ Case Western. IP Law major without the Patent Bar do not have job prospects (LLMs not JDs) Dallas is 4th or 5th largest job market. Its in a oil rich state texas. Jobs and job growth are better than most states. In your case I would suggest to do a LLM at SMU only because their program is much better and it has a better prospect specially in Oil and Gas Law / International Transactional Practice field.

Additionally, SMU's ranking is steadily going to go up, since its getting the Bush Library and major endowments.

I will write more later.
Hope this helps.
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Irene°
Irene

I'm not sure if your discussion is still a live thread. But I'll post my 2 cents and maybe someone else will benefit someday.

For a foreign LL.M. student the Job market is dull in good or bad economy period. Having sad that the Patent Attorney market is best and even in this economical downturn, they are in high demands in almost all states. Some states more than others. For example California needs a lot of IP/Patent Attorneys.

Having sad that a LL.M. for foreign students make them eligible in few states viz. California, Texas, NY, Virginia, D.C. to sit for the bar.

Once you get this bar you are not an Patent Attorney. There is another exam called Patent Bar. Although you need to have a 4 year degree in technical background to be eligible for taking this bar and becoming a Patent Attorney.
(see more on wikipedia or google the USPTO Patent Attorney)


Finale...regarding choosing your major in International Law @ SMU vs Intellectual Property Law @ Case Western. IP Law major without the Patent Bar do not have job prospects (LLMs not JDs) Dallas is 4th or 5th largest job market. Its in a oil rich state texas. Jobs and job growth are better than most states. In your case I would suggest to do a LLM at SMU only because their program is much better and it has a better prospect specially in Oil and Gas Law / International Transactional Practice field.

Additionally, SMU's ranking is steadily going to go up, since its getting the Bush Library and major endowments.

I will write more later.
Hope this helps.


Thanks, Y117~

Before I see ur post,I got an AD from IUB.And I confirmed my offer letter and try to spend one year in IUB.The tuition @ IUB is much cheaper than that @ SMU.I cannot compare which law school is much better and whether I can get an internship after graduating from the program.I do not suppose to find a job in US legal system, but I still look forward to finding an intern before I leaving the country.
So,would it be really hard to find one intern if I study in IUB?

In a word, thank u so much,Y117~
<blockquote>Irene

I'm not sure if your discussion is still a live thread. But I'll post my 2 cents and maybe someone else will benefit someday.

For a foreign LL.M. student the Job market is dull in good or bad economy period. Having sad that the Patent Attorney market is best and even in this economical downturn, they are in high demands in almost all states. Some states more than others. For example California needs a lot of IP/Patent Attorneys.

Having sad that a LL.M. for foreign students make them eligible in few states viz. California, Texas, NY, Virginia, D.C. to sit for the bar.

Once you get this bar you are not an Patent Attorney. There is another exam called Patent Bar. Although you need to have a 4 year degree in technical background to be eligible for taking this bar and becoming a Patent Attorney.
(see more on wikipedia or google the USPTO Patent Attorney)


Finale...regarding choosing your major in International Law @ SMU vs Intellectual Property Law @ Case Western. IP Law major without the Patent Bar do not have job prospects (LLMs not JDs) Dallas is 4th or 5th largest job market. Its in a oil rich state texas. Jobs and job growth are better than most states. In your case I would suggest to do a LLM at SMU only because their program is much better and it has a better prospect specially in Oil and Gas Law / International Transactional Practice field.

Additionally, SMU's ranking is steadily going to go up, since its getting the Bush Library and major endowments.

I will write more later.
Hope this helps.</blockquote>

Thanks, Y117~

Before I see ur post,I got an AD from IUB.And I confirmed my offer letter and try to spend one year in IUB.The tuition @ IUB is much cheaper than that @ SMU.I cannot compare which law school is much better and whether I can get an internship after graduating from the program.I do not suppose to find a job in US legal system, but I still look forward to finding an intern before I leaving the country.
So,would it be really hard to find one intern if I study in IUB?

In a word, thank u so much,Y117~
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Go to IUB. You will be very happy there, much more so than SMU. You should be able to find an internship.

IUB runs circules around SMU, especially in patent law circles.
Go to IUB. You will be very happy there, much more so than SMU. You should be able to find an internship.

IUB runs circules around SMU, especially in patent law circles.
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