UPenn vs Cornell


CMC

yep? ;)

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C_Lawyer

Hello,

I've been accepted to UPenn and I'm still waiting for Cornell's answer (they apparently have so much applications that answering is going to take longer that it usually takes).
I only have a week left to accept UPenn's offer.
What would you advise me? UPenn or Cornell?

Thank you


You must have made your mind by now Audry, what did you choose to do?

<blockquote>Hello,

I've been accepted to UPenn and I'm still waiting for Cornell's answer (they apparently have so much applications that answering is going to take longer that it usually takes).
I only have a week left to accept UPenn's offer.
What would you advise me? UPenn or Cornell?

Thank you</blockquote>

You must have made your mind by now Audry, what did you choose to do?
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MAB79

Hello,

I've been accepted to UPenn and I'm still waiting for Cornell's answer (they apparently have so much applications that answering is going to take longer that it usually takes).
I only have a week left to accept UPenn's offer.
What would you advise me? UPenn or Cornell?

Thank you


Short note:

Cornell is a very good law school but the LL.M. program is not as half as good as the one from UPenn (I have several people telling me this). UPenn's program is actually one of the best. In particular when you do the dual degree...

I actually think for LL.Ms, you should consider these schools:

Columbia, Harvard, Chicago, UPenn, NYU (tax) and Berkley. I am at Columbia myself and have friends in many top 30 schools at moment. They agree with me on this.

If you consider to work academic or be very specific Yale or Stanford will be your choice...

<blockquote><blockquote>Hello,

I've been accepted to UPenn and I'm still waiting for Cornell's answer (they apparently have so much applications that answering is going to take longer that it usually takes).
I only have a week left to accept UPenn's offer.
What would you advise me? UPenn or Cornell?

Thank you</blockquote></blockquote>

Short note:

Cornell is a very good law school but the LL.M. program is not as half as good as the one from UPenn (I have several people telling me this). UPenn's program is actually one of the best. In particular when you do the dual degree...

I actually think for LL.Ms, you should consider these schools:

Columbia, Harvard, Chicago, UPenn, NYU (tax) and Berkley. I am at Columbia myself and have friends in many top 30 schools at moment. They agree with me on this.

If you consider to work academic or be very specific Yale or Stanford will be your choice...

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dmannell

Hello MAB79,

Thank you for that very insightful "short note" you wrote. I have been reading few threads on the Penn Law vs NYU ans vs Other Great Law Schools. I have been accepted into Penn Law LLM programme and LSE for 2011-2012 and still am waiting for NYU's decision. To be honest to you, my heart and instincts are telling to go to Penn Law because I want to speciliaze in corportate, M&A, securities laws, etc. However, many people on this website seem to favor NYU or LSE over UPENN.

I am kindly asking you to brief me on why should I choose Penn Law LLM (corporate laws) over NYU or LSE? Its been a while that I am trying to make sense of all the pros and cons in order to pick the right LLM programme for me.

Eventually, I would love to work in the USA, but I am open to working in Europe or elsewhere.

I appreciate greatly your future comments on my question: Should I go to Penn Law?

Many thanks,

dmannell

Hello MAB79,

Thank you for that very insightful "short note" you wrote. I have been reading few threads on the Penn Law vs NYU ans vs Other Great Law Schools. I have been accepted into Penn Law LLM programme and LSE for 2011-2012 and still am waiting for NYU's decision. To be honest to you, my heart and instincts are telling to go to Penn Law because I want to speciliaze in corportate, M&A, securities laws, etc. However, many people on this website seem to favor NYU or LSE over UPENN.

I am kindly asking you to brief me on why should I choose Penn Law LLM (corporate laws) over NYU or LSE? Its been a while that I am trying to make sense of all the pros and cons in order to pick the right LLM programme for me.

Eventually, I would love to work in the USA, but I am open to working in Europe or elsewhere.

I appreciate greatly your future comments on my question: Should I go to Penn Law?

Many thanks,

dmannell
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Hi dmannell. Can you please let me know when you submitted your application to Penn?

Hi dmannell. Can you please let me know when you submitted your application to Penn?
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dmannell

Hi applicant 25,

I got accepted last year and deferred to this year 2011-2012!

good luck!

Hi applicant 25,

I got accepted last year and deferred to this year 2011-2012!

good luck!
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RPFUGB

Hi applicant 25,

I got accepted last year and deferred to this year 2011-2012!

good luck!


ah :D explains a lot :D
anyway congrats!

<blockquote>Hi applicant 25,

I got accepted last year and deferred to this year 2011-2012!

good luck!</blockquote>

ah :D explains a lot :D
anyway congrats!
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dmannell

No prob!!! thanks again!!!! I wish you the same!

No prob!!! thanks again!!!! I wish you the same!
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Thanks

Thanks
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BAPP

Hi everyone. Can anyone explain to me how does the sorting for the dual degree (Wharton) function? After the offer, the student must inform Penn whether he/she wants to take the dual degree, right? And after that, how does the university pick the students up? Thanks a lot.

Hi everyone. Can anyone explain to me how does the sorting for the dual degree (Wharton) function? After the offer, the student must inform Penn whether he/she wants to take the dual degree, right? And after that, how does the university pick the students up? Thanks a lot.
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bubbag

You don't have to decide if you want to do the wharton certificate before you get to philly, the admission is a separate process from the llm admission. I applied for it in august, and was accepted just a few days latet, after I had started the llm at penn, but I would recommend applying earlier, just to be sure.

I don't know howe the sorting is done, but I think if you qualify for the lm at penn, you can get into the wharton certificate program. There is usually room.

You don't have to decide if you want to do the wharton certificate before you get to philly, the admission is a separate process from the llm admission. I applied for it in august, and was accepted just a few days latet, after I had started the llm at penn, but I would recommend applying earlier, just to be sure.

I don't know howe the sorting is done, but I think if you qualify for the lm at penn, you can get into the wharton certificate program. There is usually room.
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BAPP

Thanks a lot for the explanation. And may I ask you if the dual degree is much more demanding than the regular course? Tks.

Thanks a lot for the explanation. And may I ask you if the dual degree is much more demanding than the regular course? Tks.
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bubbag

No, doing the certificate is not very demanding, you have to take a three courses at Wharton and combine them with one of the courses you're already taking at Law school. The classes are held at night, once a week per course, usually from 630 until 9pm, or daytime during the weekends. I did two courses last semester, so I had evening classes twice a week, attendance is important, but the workload is doable.

No, doing the certificate is not very demanding, you have to take a three courses at Wharton and combine them with one of the courses you're already taking at Law school. The classes are held at night, once a week per course, usually from 630 until 9pm, or daytime during the weekends. I did two courses last semester, so I had evening classes twice a week, attendance is important, but the workload is doable.
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dmannell

Hello Bubbag,

Could you tell me more about your personale experience at UPENN. Would you highly recommend it? If so, why exactly?

Secondly, do you think the Wharton Certificate is a real plus in terms of improving my chances of getting job in law?

Many thanks!

Hello Bubbag,

Could you tell me more about your personale experience at UPENN. Would you highly recommend it? If so, why exactly?

Secondly, do you think the Wharton Certificate is a real plus in terms of improving my chances of getting job in law?

Many thanks!

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BAPP

No, doing the certificate is not very demanding, you have to take a three courses at Wharton and combine them with one of the courses you're already taking at Law school. The classes are held at night, once a week per course, usually from 630 until 9pm, or daytime during the weekends. I did two courses last semester, so I had evening classes twice a week, attendance is important, but the workload is doable.


Thanks a lot. Now, I just have to wait for an offer!

<blockquote>No, doing the certificate is not very demanding, you have to take a three courses at Wharton and combine them with one of the courses you're already taking at Law school. The classes are held at night, once a week per course, usually from 630 until 9pm, or daytime during the weekends. I did two courses last semester, so I had evening classes twice a week, attendance is important, but the workload is doable. </blockquote>

Thanks a lot. Now, I just have to wait for an offer!
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bubbag

Dmannell- I like going to UPenn a lot, first of all it has a smallish LL.M. class, around a hundred students, which I really like. This means that the follow up each student gets from the faculty is better than what I suspect is the case at an LLM factory like NYU. I'm taking corporate law, so for this UPenn is a great place. The selection of subjects isn't huge, but just about enough. The facilities are nice, the law library is where I spend most of my time. The law campus is under major renovation right now, but by the time it is ready next year, it will be amazing. Philly is a nice place, although a slightly boring, but it is more relaxed than NYC. Having Wharton on your resume is very significant, it is such a well known and respected institution.

Dmannell- I like going to UPenn a lot, first of all it has a smallish LL.M. class, around a hundred students, which I really like. This means that the follow up each student gets from the faculty is better than what I suspect is the case at an LLM factory like NYU. I'm taking corporate law, so for this UPenn is a great place. The selection of subjects isn't huge, but just about enough. The facilities are nice, the law library is where I spend most of my time. The law campus is under major renovation right now, but by the time it is ready next year, it will be amazing. Philly is a nice place, although a slightly boring, but it is more relaxed than NYC. Having Wharton on your resume is very significant, it is such a well known and respected institution.
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dmannell

Hello Bubbag,

I would like to thank you for this very summary of your experience at UPenn. I have to agree with you on all your points. I have hear the same thing more or less from different people that attended both UPenn and Wharton. I think the Wharton Certificate is a real plus when combined with the LLM degree, especially due to its internationally renowed reputation for Business.

That being said, do you think its possible to get some sort of legal job in the USA after having completed the LLM at UPenn. I am currently siting the NYB and therefore I will be doing my LLm while already qualified as a US attorney????

What is your perception of the job market for LLMs at Upenn? Did some students get any offer during or after their LLm at Upenn?

Many thanks!

Hello Bubbag,

I would like to thank you for this very summary of your experience at UPenn. I have to agree with you on all your points. I have hear the same thing more or less from different people that attended both UPenn and Wharton. I think the Wharton Certificate is a real plus when combined with the LLM degree, especially due to its internationally renowed reputation for Business.

That being said, do you think its possible to get some sort of legal job in the USA after having completed the LLM at UPenn. I am currently siting the NYB and therefore I will be doing my LLm while already qualified as a US attorney????

What is your perception of the job market for LLMs at Upenn? Did some students get any offer during or after their LLm at Upenn?

Many thanks!
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rhino11

does cornell accept recommendations without the pdf form they provide for.

does cornell accept recommendations without the pdf form they provide for.
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bubbag

First of all, American law firms love JD's, especially from top ten law firms, when that hunger is satisfied, or if they have a special need for a lawyer from a certain country/with a certain specialty, they look for LLMs.
My perception of the job market for foreign lawyers is still not very good, getting a job is quite likely, but getting a job that makes the LLM at Penn worth it is a different story, especially at one of the bigger law firms in NYC, which is what most people aim for. UPenn participates in the ISIP job fair held in NY every January, and if number of interviews given to LLM students is an indication of the interest and need of NY law firms, then the job market has improved since last year(ISIP 2010), since more students have gotten more interviews this year. Whether these interviews result in actual jobs is a whole different question. We are constantly told the job market is bad, and our chances are slim, and that we have to network network network. So chances are slim, but we're all trying.

First of all, American law firms love JD's, especially from top ten law firms, when that hunger is satisfied, or if they have a special need for a lawyer from a certain country/with a certain specialty, they look for LLMs.
My perception of the job market for foreign lawyers is still not very good, getting a job is quite likely, but getting a job that makes the LLM at Penn worth it is a different story, especially at one of the bigger law firms in NYC, which is what most people aim for. UPenn participates in the ISIP job fair held in NY every January, and if number of interviews given to LLM students is an indication of the interest and need of NY law firms, then the job market has improved since last year(ISIP 2010), since more students have gotten more interviews this year. Whether these interviews result in actual jobs is a whole different question. We are constantly told the job market is bad, and our chances are slim, and that we have to network network network. So chances are slim, but we're all trying.
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dmannell

Thanks a lot for your "insider" comments. I see some positive signs about the interview numbers for LLMs being increased, but as you said, chances are slim still.

I assume network still remains the key for creating job opportunites. In any event, I am hoping that by the time I will be done with my LLM in 2012 the New York legal market will have somewhat "picked up"...

PS. Should I do the Wharton Certificate?
thanks again!

Thanks a lot for your "insider" comments. I see some positive signs about the interview numbers for LLMs being increased, but as you said, chances are slim still.

I assume network still remains the key for creating job opportunites. In any event, I am hoping that by the time I will be done with my LLM in 2012 the New York legal market will have somewhat "picked up"...

PS. Should I do the Wharton Certificate?
thanks again!
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