University of Michigan LLM 2020-2021


Hi all. I got accepted into Michigan. However, there's a twist. They said they couldn't offer me a place on the LL.M program but said that they have instead offered me a place on the Master of Advanced Corporations Laws program because it was an "exclusive group" offered to "accomplished lawyers" from around the globe and that it would be more suitable for me as I would be studying amongst the "highest caliber colleagues."

What do you guys make of this?

Either (i) I wasn't good enough for the LL.M program so they offered me something different so they could generate more revenue or (ii) they genuinely thought that due to my experience (I have 6 years PQE as a litigator in Australia, already admitted to the New York Bar) they thought that the Master of Advanced Corporation Laws was more appropriate.

I would much appreciate everyone's thoughts.

Cheers.


Congrats! I think it depends on what you want from the program. If you already have the NYBar it gives you an edge if you plan to get a job after the LLM.

I don't think they’d just offer that program to make money (I mean, yes they need/want to, but I don’t think they created the program just for that. Perhaps they saw a demand for lawyers with your kind of experience and tailored something, because they do have limited seats in the LLM).

Probably the best thing would be for you to ask them to contact you with alumni from the program and ask them directly if it was worth it.

I understand its shorter and cheaper, and if its worth it why not going for it...(just my thoughts, hope it helps)

[quote]Hi all. I got accepted into Michigan. However, there's a twist. They said they couldn't offer me a place on the LL.M program but said that they have instead offered me a place on the Master of Advanced Corporations Laws program because it was an "exclusive group" offered to "accomplished lawyers" from around the globe and that it would be more suitable for me as I would be studying amongst the "highest caliber colleagues."

What do you guys make of this?

Either (i) I wasn't good enough for the LL.M program so they offered me something different so they could generate more revenue or (ii) they genuinely thought that due to my experience (I have 6 years PQE as a litigator in Australia, already admitted to the New York Bar) they thought that the Master of Advanced Corporation Laws was more appropriate.

I would much appreciate everyone's thoughts.

Cheers.[/quote]

Congrats! I think it depends on what you want from the program. If you already have the NYBar it gives you an edge if you plan to get a job after the LLM.

I don't think they’d just offer that program to make money (I mean, yes they need/want to, but I don’t think they created the program just for that. Perhaps they saw a demand for lawyers with your kind of experience and tailored something, because they do have limited seats in the LLM).

Probably the best thing would be for you to ask them to contact you with alumni from the program and ask them directly if it was worth it.

I understand its shorter and cheaper, and if its worth it why not going for it...(just my thoughts, hope it helps)
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NepAtty

Hi all. I got accepted into Michigan. However, there's a twist. They said they couldn't offer me a place on the LL.M program but said that they have instead offered me a place on the Master of Advanced Corporations Laws program because it was an "exclusive group" offered to "accomplished lawyers" from around the globe and that it would be more suitable for me as I would be studying amongst the "highest caliber colleagues."

What do you guys make of this?

Either (i) I wasn't good enough for the LL.M program so they offered me something different so they could generate more revenue or (ii) they genuinely thought that due to my experience (I have 6 years PQE as a litigator in Australia, already admitted to the New York Bar) they thought that the Master of Advanced Corporation Laws was more appropriate.

I would much appreciate everyone's thoughts.

Cheers.


Hi Melbourne Atty: Congratulations! Congratulations on your success, CHEERS! :)

To my mind it's the latter more than the former. I assume that they must have seen from your CV and profile, that you are a corporate lawyer (i guess), and that your are a CORPORATE LAWYER and would have less time to spend, and that the LL.M. program might cover subjects that could be too mainstream/basic for a person with a 6-years PQE, and bar admissions in NY and Victoria (and perhaps other Australian jurisdictions, including the High Court of Australia).

While I agree that programs like the M.A.C.L. "MIGHT" have been created and viewed as cash-cows, I would only advise you to write to them in detail and seek more detailed a reply.

Personally I wouldn't think that the M.A.C.L. would be at all a bad experience for you, as you must already have had an LL.M. (? - assuming that an LL.M. was what made you eligible for the NY bar as to my knowledge there ain't a transfer scheme for Aussie attorneys to qualify in NY unlike in E&W), if not, a considerable years of experience so that you wouldn't really need a full-fledged LL.M.

The M.A.C.L. appears to be a 3-month program, unlike the LL.M. which is roughly a 6.5-month to 7-month program (excluding their 3.5 weeks long Christmas Break and Week long Winter Recess, apart from petty holidays like the Thanksgiving Recess).

The reason this makes more sense is that your practice back in Melbourne won't have to suffer for a longer time, especially if you plan to continue your practice in Melbourne even after your LL.M., which I think would still be the case (as having an LL.M. wouldn't really help you much, in my opinion, to set up your practice in the U.S., especially when you already are qualified in New York.)

You'd earn a Master's degree in a summer, and that does sound very cool :) But if you need "equivalence certificates" from your home universities for degrees that are earned from outside of Australia (and New Zealand), you should check if they would "recognize" a 3-months/12-weeks "Master's Degree".

I also assume you must already have checked the M.A.C.L. program's webpage.

Lastly, if you really want to go for the LL.M. program, do write to them, and I believe they will oblige, regardless of the size of the LL.M. program. Do write a few new things which would show/reiterate your motivation to the LL.M. program. :)

- Humble thoughts from a person who's much junior to you, as he qualified in Nepal just a few weeks ago.

Good luck, Melbourne Atty :)

[quote]Hi all. I got accepted into Michigan. However, there's a twist. They said they couldn't offer me a place on the LL.M program but said that they have instead offered me a place on the Master of Advanced Corporations Laws program because it was an "exclusive group" offered to "accomplished lawyers" from around the globe and that it would be more suitable for me as I would be studying amongst the "highest caliber colleagues."

What do you guys make of this?

Either (i) I wasn't good enough for the LL.M program so they offered me something different so they could generate more revenue or (ii) they genuinely thought that due to my experience (I have 6 years PQE as a litigator in Australia, already admitted to the New York Bar) they thought that the Master of Advanced Corporation Laws was more appropriate.

I would much appreciate everyone's thoughts.

Cheers.[/quote]

Hi Melbourne Atty: Congratulations! Congratulations on your success, CHEERS! :)

To my mind it's the latter more than the former. I assume that they must have seen from your CV and profile, that you are a corporate lawyer (i guess), and that your are a CORPORATE LAWYER and would have less time to spend, and that the LL.M. program might cover subjects that could be too mainstream/basic for a person with a 6-years PQE, and bar admissions in NY and Victoria (and perhaps other Australian jurisdictions, including the High Court of Australia).

While I agree that programs like the M.A.C.L. "MIGHT" have been created and viewed as cash-cows, I would only advise you to write to them in detail and seek more detailed a reply.

Personally I wouldn't think that the M.A.C.L. would be at all a bad experience for you, as you must already have had an LL.M. (? - assuming that an LL.M. was what made you eligible for the NY bar as to my knowledge there ain't a transfer scheme for Aussie attorneys to qualify in NY unlike in E&W), if not, a considerable years of experience so that you wouldn't really need a full-fledged LL.M.

The M.A.C.L. appears to be a 3-month program, unlike the LL.M. which is roughly a 6.5-month to 7-month program (excluding their 3.5 weeks long Christmas Break and Week long Winter Recess, apart from petty holidays like the Thanksgiving Recess).

The reason this makes more sense is that your practice back in Melbourne won't have to suffer for a longer time, especially if you plan to continue your practice in Melbourne even after your LL.M., which I think would still be the case (as having an LL.M. wouldn't really help you much, in my opinion, to set up your practice in the U.S., especially when you already are qualified in New York.)

You'd earn a Master's degree in a summer, and that does sound very cool :) But if you need "equivalence certificates" from your home universities for degrees that are earned from outside of Australia (and New Zealand), you should check if they would "recognize" a 3-months/12-weeks "Master's Degree".

I also assume you must already have checked the M.A.C.L. program's webpage.

Lastly, if you really want to go for the LL.M. program, do write to them, and I believe they will oblige, regardless of the size of the LL.M. program. Do write a few new things which would show/reiterate your motivation to the LL.M. program. :)

- Humble thoughts from a person who's much junior to you, as he qualified in Nepal just a few weeks ago.

Good luck, Melbourne Atty :)
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Negsh

Has anyone heard from the school? I emailed them last week and they said we will hear from them by the end of February.

Has anyone heard from the school? I emailed them last week and they said we will hear from them by the end of February.
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DSRCol

Has anyone heard from the school? I emailed them last week and they said we will hear from them by the end of February.


Not yet. This wait is killing me...
Last week they told me we would hear from them soon.

[quote]Has anyone heard from the school? I emailed them last week and they said we will hear from them by the end of February.[/quote]

Not yet. This wait is killing me...
Last week they told me we would hear from them soon.
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Cecilia123

I just received an email waitlisting me for the LLM program. Good luck everyone !

I just received an email waitlisting me for the LLM program. Good luck everyone !
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DSRCol

Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.

Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.
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Negsh

Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.


I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.

[quote]Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.[/quote]

I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.
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DSRCol

Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.


I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.


I agree with you.


[quote][quote]Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.[/quote]

I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.[/quote]

I agree with you.
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Does anyone know about the difficulty of llm students transfer to the JD program in Umich?

Does anyone know about the difficulty of llm students transfer to the JD program in Umich?
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Malavika95


Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.


I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.


I agree with you.


That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.

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[quote][quote]Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.[/quote]

I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.[/quote]

I agree with you. [/quote]

That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.
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DSRCol




I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.


I agree with you.


That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.


Wow, thank you for keeping us posted !!! Those are fantastic news, congratulations on your acceptance Malavika95!!!

[Edited by DSRCol on Mar 04, 2020]

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[quote][quote]Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.[/quote]

I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.[/quote]

I agree with you. [/quote]

That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.[/quote]

Wow, thank you for keeping us posted !!! Those are fantastic news, congratulations on your acceptance Malavika95!!!
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Negsh




I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.


I agree with you.


That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.


This is wonderful news. Congratulation on your admission! And thanks for sharing it with us.

Can you please tell us when did you complete the application?

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[quote][quote]Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.[/quote]

I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.[/quote]

I agree with you. [/quote]

That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.[/quote]

This is wonderful news. Congratulation on your admission! And thanks for sharing it with us.

Can you please tell us when did you complete the application?
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Malavika95




I agree with you.


That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.


This is wonderful news. Congratulation on your admission! And thanks for sharing it with us.

Can you please tell us when did you complete the application?


Thank you :) I submitted my application on January 31st, a few hours before the deadline.

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[quote][quote]Hi guys, has anyone heard from them? Honestly, I am losing hope.[/quote]

I haven't heard anything either. But typically, they announce accepted people first and then waitlisted people and at last rejected ones. Unfortunately, I believe we aren't among the first group. To be honest I have lost hope completely from this school.[/quote]

I agree with you. [/quote]

That isn't true. I know of someone who was rejected last week. I received my acceptance today. Dona Maria said that more decisions would be communicated this week.[/quote]

This is wonderful news. Congratulation on your admission! And thanks for sharing it with us.

Can you please tell us when did you complete the application?[/quote]

Thank you :) I submitted my application on January 31st, a few hours before the deadline.
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NepAtty

Hi guys. I have just created this Facebook group for the admitted students. Feel free to join.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3266398756781978/

Hi guys. I have just created this Facebook group for the admitted students. Feel free to join.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3266398756781978/
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Hoodeelala

Still haven't heard anything from them. Such a long wait.

Still haven't heard anything from them. Such a long wait.
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DSRCol

Hey guys, I just received my acceptance.

Hey guys, I just received my acceptance.
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Mattt

Hey guys, I just received my acceptance.


Congrats! Did you write them several times asking for updates ?

[quote]Hey guys, I just received my acceptance.[/quote]

Congrats! Did you write them several times asking for updates ?
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DSRCol

Hey guys, I just received my acceptance.


Congrats! Did you write them several times asking for updates ?


Hi, I emailed them once (on Tuesday), they told me more offers could come soon

[quote][quote]Hey guys, I just received my acceptance.[/quote]

Congrats! Did you write them several times asking for updates ?[/quote]

Hi, I emailed them once (on Tuesday), they told me more offers could come soon
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Hi all. I got accepted into Michigan. However, there's a twist. They said they couldn't offer me a place on the LL.M program but said that they have instead offered me a place on the Master of Advanced Corporations Laws program because it was an "exclusive group" offered to "accomplished lawyers" from around the globe and that it would be more suitable for me as I would be studying amongst the "highest caliber colleagues."

What do you guys make of this?

Either (i) I wasn't good enough for the LL.M program so they offered me something different so they could generate more revenue or (ii) they genuinely thought that due to my experience (I have 6 years PQE as a litigator in Australia, already admitted to the New York Bar) they thought that the Master of Advanced Corporation Laws was more appropriate.

I would much appreciate everyone's thoughts.

Cheers.


Hi Melbourne Atty: Congratulations! Congratulations on your success, CHEERS! :)

To my mind it's the latter more than the former. I assume that they must have seen from your CV and profile, that you are a corporate lawyer (i guess), and that your are a CORPORATE LAWYER and would have less time to spend, and that the LL.M. program might cover subjects that could be too mainstream/basic for a person with a 6-years PQE, and bar admissions in NY and Victoria (and perhaps other Australian jurisdictions, including the High Court of Australia).

While I agree that programs like the M.A.C.L. "MIGHT" have been created and viewed as cash-cows, I would only advise you to write to them in detail and seek more detailed a reply.

Personally I wouldn't think that the M.A.C.L. would be at all a bad experience for you, as you must already have had an LL.M. (? - assuming that an LL.M. was what made you eligible for the NY bar as to my knowledge there ain't a transfer scheme for Aussie attorneys to qualify in NY unlike in E&W), if not, a considerable years of experience so that you wouldn't really need a full-fledged LL.M.

The M.A.C.L. appears to be a 3-month program, unlike the LL.M. which is roughly a 6.5-month to 7-month program (excluding their 3.5 weeks long Christmas Break and Week long Winter Recess, apart from petty holidays like the Thanksgiving Recess).

The reason this makes more sense is that your practice back in Melbourne won't have to suffer for a longer time, especially if you plan to continue your practice in Melbourne even after your LL.M., which I think would still be the case (as having an LL.M. wouldn't really help you much, in my opinion, to set up your practice in the U.S., especially when you already are qualified in New York.)

You'd earn a Master's degree in a summer, and that does sound very cool :) But if you need "equivalence certificates" from your home universities for degrees that are earned from outside of Australia (and New Zealand), you should check if they would "recognize" a 3-months/12-weeks "Master's Degree".

I also assume you must already have checked the M.A.C.L. program's webpage.

Lastly, if you really want to go for the LL.M. program, do write to them, and I believe they will oblige, regardless of the size of the LL.M. program. Do write a few new things which would show/reiterate your motivation to the LL.M. program. :)

- Humble thoughts from a person who's much junior to you, as he qualified in Nepal just a few weeks ago.

Good luck, Melbourne Atty :)


Thanks NepAtty for your comments.

I've declined the program as it doesn't really align with my career as a litigation lawyer.

In relation to whether I already have an LL.M, I do but only in Australia (not in the US). We don't actually require an LL.M to sit the New York Bar Exam here in Australia but my observations from a number of Australian lawyers now practicing in the US is that an LL.M from a top 10 US law school certainly does assist with bolstering your credentials (although my research also shows that an LL.M on its own without sufficient relevant professional experience is likely to be unhelpful).

[quote][quote]Hi all. I got accepted into Michigan. However, there's a twist. They said they couldn't offer me a place on the LL.M program but said that they have instead offered me a place on the Master of Advanced Corporations Laws program because it was an "exclusive group" offered to "accomplished lawyers" from around the globe and that it would be more suitable for me as I would be studying amongst the "highest caliber colleagues."

What do you guys make of this?

Either (i) I wasn't good enough for the LL.M program so they offered me something different so they could generate more revenue or (ii) they genuinely thought that due to my experience (I have 6 years PQE as a litigator in Australia, already admitted to the New York Bar) they thought that the Master of Advanced Corporation Laws was more appropriate.

I would much appreciate everyone's thoughts.

Cheers.[/quote]

Hi Melbourne Atty: Congratulations! Congratulations on your success, CHEERS! :)

To my mind it's the latter more than the former. I assume that they must have seen from your CV and profile, that you are a corporate lawyer (i guess), and that your are a CORPORATE LAWYER and would have less time to spend, and that the LL.M. program might cover subjects that could be too mainstream/basic for a person with a 6-years PQE, and bar admissions in NY and Victoria (and perhaps other Australian jurisdictions, including the High Court of Australia).

While I agree that programs like the M.A.C.L. "MIGHT" have been created and viewed as cash-cows, I would only advise you to write to them in detail and seek more detailed a reply.

Personally I wouldn't think that the M.A.C.L. would be at all a bad experience for you, as you must already have had an LL.M. (? - assuming that an LL.M. was what made you eligible for the NY bar as to my knowledge there ain't a transfer scheme for Aussie attorneys to qualify in NY unlike in E&W), if not, a considerable years of experience so that you wouldn't really need a full-fledged LL.M.

The M.A.C.L. appears to be a 3-month program, unlike the LL.M. which is roughly a 6.5-month to 7-month program (excluding their 3.5 weeks long Christmas Break and Week long Winter Recess, apart from petty holidays like the Thanksgiving Recess).

The reason this makes more sense is that your practice back in Melbourne won't have to suffer for a longer time, especially if you plan to continue your practice in Melbourne even after your LL.M., which I think would still be the case (as having an LL.M. wouldn't really help you much, in my opinion, to set up your practice in the U.S., especially when you already are qualified in New York.)

You'd earn a Master's degree in a summer, and that does sound very cool :) But if you need "equivalence certificates" from your home universities for degrees that are earned from outside of Australia (and New Zealand), you should check if they would "recognize" a 3-months/12-weeks "Master's Degree".

I also assume you must already have checked the M.A.C.L. program's webpage.

Lastly, if you really want to go for the LL.M. program, do write to them, and I believe they will oblige, regardless of the size of the LL.M. program. Do write a few new things which would show/reiterate your motivation to the LL.M. program. :)

- Humble thoughts from a person who's much junior to you, as he qualified in Nepal just a few weeks ago.

Good luck, Melbourne Atty :)[/quote]

Thanks NepAtty for your comments.

I've declined the program as it doesn't really align with my career as a litigation lawyer.

In relation to whether I already have an LL.M, I do but only in Australia (not in the US). We don't actually require an LL.M to sit the New York Bar Exam here in Australia but my observations from a number of Australian lawyers now practicing in the US is that an LL.M from a top 10 US law school certainly does assist with bolstering your credentials (although my research also shows that an LL.M on its own without sufficient relevant professional experience is likely to be unhelpful).
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has anyone heard anything about scholarships?

has anyone heard anything about scholarships?
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