but I think you could have a better shot if you were admitted at schools like Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, NYU, UChicago or Georgeotwn.

You have got to be kidding...

Why would one "have a better shot" by going to Georgetown ? Georgetown is ranked number 14, and is below Penn or even Cornell. Not to mention that Georgetown's website specifically says that their own LLM program is nor recommended if you wish to take the NY bar...

If he gets admitted to Penn, he has a good shot at landing a job in the US.

For info, there are already a number of students at Penn Law this year who secured a job in NY already, and yes, in Vault top 10 law firms. And no, I am not talking about a lame 1-year internship, but full Associate positions in NY firms.

but I think you could have a better shot if you were admitted at schools like Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, NYU, UChicago or Georgeotwn.

You have got to be kidding...

Why would one "have a better shot" by going to Georgetown ? Georgetown is ranked number 14, and is below Penn or even Cornell. Not to mention that Georgetown's website specifically says that their own LLM program is nor recommended if you wish to take the NY bar...

If he gets admitted to Penn, he has a good shot at landing a job in the US.

For info, there are already a number of students at Penn Law this year who secured a job in NY already, and yes, in Vault top 10 law firms. And no, I am not talking about a lame 1-year internship, but full Associate positions in NY firms.

Wow, I just hope that when you secure your "full Associate position in NY in Vault top 10 firms" and not a "lame 1-year internship" you don´t lose your temper like that... in order to prevent future outbursts of rage, I will answer your question by saying that yes, I was kidding.

I don't understand where you see an "outburst of temper", I merely stated the hard facts.

Don't get me wrong, Georgetown is a great school, probably the best in D.C., with outstanding faculty and impressive students. However, it seems to me that accross the forum, the general consensus has been that it is advisable to go to the highest ranking school (please correct me if I am wrong), therefore it would not be very consistent with the consensus to advise a person to go to a lower ranked school yet claiming he will get a "better shot".

Again, I have nothing against Georgetown, but I would recommend going to the highest ranking school possible (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, NYU, Chigago, Penn, etc.) but the author of the thread clearly stated the schools he applied to and the highest ranked one IMO is Penn (the title of the thread does mention NYU, but he did not actually apply to NYU).

Penn's career services (just as other great schools such as Harvard, etc.) do help LLMs in the job search. Landing a job is difficult, but the economy is good this year.

No, I am not that person and have not quoted AmLaw either.

I would not recommend delaying an additional year before applying because there is no telling how the economy will be then.

Amazing how your tone changes when confronted with one person who claims to be an NYU student and another who claims to be an HLS student.

US News is useful for something after all, no?

Amazing how your tone changes when confronted with one person who claims to be an NYU student and another who claims to be an HLS student.

US News is useful for something after all, no?

Come on. Let's have the hard facts about HLS in your original tone.

(Apologies to other readers, but this is juvenile fun.)

yes. and how about the hard facts on all three top schools: HLS, SLS, YLS. i know there have been some threads on this before, but did not find them conclusive. any new opinions?

I think "the JD leads to higher employability" truism has been ground to dust on this forum...

Its a fundamental truth - its undeniable in its essence; its like saying if you get up early in the morning, the chances of u staying healthier for longer are better. Most members are LLM applicants on this site who already have a home country law degree. Suggesting to someone - to do a JD -
is just suggesting a lame remedy which most ppl would not take up (of course there may be exceptions - but very few i believe)

I think its best to try and time yr LLM to a nicety - look at the health of yr domestic economy, look at the US economy, consider how many ppl from yr law school obtained associate positions in previous yrs and a cost benefit analysis of how much debt leverage u want to take on if u dont get aid (that is u should be confident, in a worst case scenario to be able to come back to yr home country to find lucrative employment to pay off the debt) -- thats if u dont hv a rich dad

These rational decisions any person can take. If you play the odds well - u'll make yr LLM get u what a "JD" was destined to get. The market is hot this year - do your reseach and play yr cards... Let the games begin

Come on. Let's have the hard facts about HLS in your original tone.

(Apologies to other readers, but this is juvenile fun.)

with the documentary maker being "US News" is suppose...

Ivan: I have an idea. Why don't we fight over who gets to be the predator here. As a gentlemanly gesture, you and your supermarket law degree can take the first shot. :-P

(Hopefully, the people reading the Penn-related threads realize that two data points don't make a statistically significant trend.)

Hehehehehehehehehehe
Although there are various kinds of supermarkets: if you have to be a supermarket, it is better to be WholeFoods than WalMart, as it´s better to be WalMart than Joe´s grocery store.
But there´s no sense that we fight among us, though. Have you seen that movie "Rounders" (Matt Damon was a poker player that attended law school)? In one scene, a lot of pros (including Damon) were playing cards in Atlantic City and taking all the money of some poor fellas that had NO idea where they had gotten into.
Then Damon says: "We're not playing together, but we're not playing against each other, either. It's like the Nature Channel. You don´t see piranhas eating each other, do you?"

By the way, I miss yueping - he was always ready to a good fight, without regard of the opponent´s law school.
This is starting to look like a Discovery Channel´s documentary: there is always a bigger predator around...

Welcome back, dude!

This is a Clark Kent / Superman moment, no? When one disappears, the other appears. ;)

Hi guys -

Got positive decsions from UCLA, Cornell and UPenn. I have family in LA and I gut partial grant at UCLA so it appears that UCLA would be much cheaper than the others. Which one should I take?

Thank you all for your advice.
Me.

but I think you could have a better shot if you were admitted at schools like Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, NYU, UChicago or Georgeotwn.

You have got to be kidding...

Why would one "have a better shot" by going to Georgetown ? Georgetown is ranked number 14, and is below Penn or even Cornell. Not to mention that Georgetown's website specifically says that their own LLM program is nor recommended if you wish to take the NY bar...