Positive impact on chances if experience as exchange student in Paris?


Ralph Wigg...

Hi all,

As I wrote in another post I've already obtained a law-degree one and a half years ago and am currently doing further studies in economics... I would not be on the discussion board if I were not interested in doing an LLM after having finished my second degree. But now I have developed some kind of wanderlust and am making up my mind about doing a year abroad in Paris already during my legal doctoral studies (not least to promote my command of French). There would be a possibility of becoming an exchange student within the European universities' (or EU's, I think) "Erasmus"-program for six or even twelve months. Interesting partner universities in Paris would be Paris II (Panthéon-Assas), maybe Paris V (don't know about its official name) and the Sciences Po.

Of course, a (half) year abroad will cost time, but that's not the point for me. And I think that it would definitely be an exciting experience to live in Paris for some month (although it might cost a pretty penny). But do you think that it might even be a substantial plus concerning the LLM-application-process respectively that it would have a positive impact on my general chances if I would have studied at Panthéon-Assas or at Sciences Po?

Hi all,

As I wrote in another post I've already obtained a law-degree one and a half years ago and am currently doing further studies in economics... I would not be on the discussion board if I were not interested in doing an LLM after having finished my second degree. But now I have developed some kind of wanderlust and am making up my mind about doing a year abroad in Paris already during my legal doctoral studies (not least to promote my command of French). There would be a possibility of becoming an exchange student within the European universities' (or EU's, I think) "Erasmus"-program for six or even twelve months. Interesting partner universities in Paris would be Paris II (Panthéon-Assas), maybe Paris V (don't know about its official name) and the Sciences Po.

Of course, a (half) year abroad will cost time, but that's not the point for me. And I think that it would definitely be an exciting experience to live in Paris for some month (although it might cost a pretty penny). But do you think that it might even be a substantial plus concerning the LLM-application-process respectively that it would have a positive impact on my general chances if I would have studied at Panthéon-Assas or at Sciences Po?
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Ralph Wigg...

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tmalmine

I believe that studies abroad are something that will be looked upon positively when you apply. Especially if you succeed in your studies. It's one way to pad up your resume. And living in Paris should be a nice experience.

I believe that studies abroad are something that will be looked upon positively when you apply. Especially if you succeed in your studies. It's one way to pad up your resume. And living in Paris should be a nice experience.
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Ralph Wigg...

I believe that studies abroad are something that will be looked upon positively when you apply. Especially if you succeed in your studies. It's one way to pad up your resume. And living in Paris should be a nice experience.


Thank you! But do you (or does anybody else here) think that there is a substantial difference between Paris II - Panthéon Assas on the one hand and Sciences Po on the other hand regarding their reputation from an international perspective? Sciences Po might generally be highly recognized in France itself (as "Grand École") while Paris II claims to be the place to go especially for (French) law students. Probably it doesn't make any difference at all - but if, what would be better? Will US- or UK-law schools seriously rank one of these two schools above the other?

<blockquote>I believe that studies abroad are something that will be looked upon positively when you apply. Especially if you succeed in your studies. It's one way to pad up your resume. And living in Paris should be a nice experience.</blockquote>

Thank you! But do you (or does anybody else here) think that there is a substantial difference between Paris II - Panthéon Assas on the one hand and Sciences Po on the other hand regarding their reputation from an international perspective? Sciences Po might generally be highly recognized in France itself (as "Grand École") while Paris II claims to be the place to go especially for (French) law students. Probably it doesn't make any difference at all - but if, what would be better? Will US- or UK-law schools seriously rank one of these two schools above the other?
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tmalmine

American law schools will not rank those institutions. But you can do it yourself: in your resume. If you attend Sciences Po, state that it is the leading institution in France. If you go to Paris II, mention that it is the leading law faculty in France.

Admissions officers won't be able to rank school in different parts of the world, that's why you have to do it yourself, by selling your resume.

I suggest you to choose between those two universities by using other criteria: which one best suits your research and study interests, which has better-looking girls, and so on.

American law schools will not rank those institutions. But you can do it yourself: in your resume. If you attend Sciences Po, state that it is the leading institution in France. If you go to Paris II, mention that it is the leading law faculty in France.

Admissions officers won't be able to rank school in different parts of the world, that's why you have to do it yourself, by selling your resume.

I suggest you to choose between those two universities by using other criteria: which one best suits your research and study interests, which has better-looking girls, and so on.
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Ralph Wigg...

I suggest you to choose between those two universities by using other criteria: which one best suits your research and study interests, which has better-looking girls, and so on.


Hahaha, nice one! Allegedly, Paris' girls (I'm not speaking of the hotel chain heiress) are generally not that bad...

<blockquote>I suggest you to choose between those two universities by using other criteria: which one best suits your research and study interests, which has better-looking girls, and so on.</blockquote>

Hahaha, nice one! Allegedly, Paris' girls (I'm not speaking of the hotel chain heiress) are generally not that bad...
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I believe that studies abroad are something that will be looked upon positively when you apply. Especially if you succeed in your studies. It's one way to pad up your resume. And living in Paris should be a nice experience.


Thank you! But do you (or does anybody else here) think that there is a substantial difference between Paris II - Panthéon Assas on the one hand and Sciences Po on the other hand regarding their reputation from an international perspective? Sciences Po might generally be highly recognized in France itself (as "Grand École") while Paris II claims to be the place to go especially for (French) law students. Probably it doesn't make any difference at all - but if, what would be better? Will US- or UK-law schools seriously rank one of these two schools above the other?


I dont think it matters much for applying to US/UK schools. While both are good universities, I would go for SciencesPo. It offers a more interdisciplinary curriculum, smaller classes, a better understanding of the French political system. One year of culture generale is valuable, whatever you choose to do afterwards. (I say this as someone who went to Paris II from Vienna). Paris II has a good reputation in legal circles. I was personally somewhat disappointed with the quality of the legal education. There is a high degree of rot learning and the integration with French students is difficult.

<blockquote><blockquote>I believe that studies abroad are something that will be looked upon positively when you apply. Especially if you succeed in your studies. It's one way to pad up your resume. And living in Paris should be a nice experience.</blockquote>

Thank you! But do you (or does anybody else here) think that there is a substantial difference between Paris II - Panthéon Assas on the one hand and Sciences Po on the other hand regarding their reputation from an international perspective? Sciences Po might generally be highly recognized in France itself (as "Grand École") while Paris II claims to be the place to go especially for (French) law students. Probably it doesn't make any difference at all - but if, what would be better? Will US- or UK-law schools seriously rank one of these two schools above the other?</blockquote>

I dont think it matters much for applying to US/UK schools. While both are good universities, I would go for SciencesPo. It offers a more interdisciplinary curriculum, smaller classes, a better understanding of the French political system. One year of culture generale is valuable, whatever you choose to do afterwards. (I say this as someone who went to Paris II from Vienna). Paris II has a good reputation in legal circles. I was personally somewhat disappointed with the quality of the legal education. There is a high degree of rot learning and the integration with French students is difficult.
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Bober

Maybe this will be of some help:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/ils/curriculum/study_abroad/international_schools.php

This is the list of the foreign law schools that are recognized as strong institutions by Harvard and/or which HLS graduate students have attended in their home countries. Paris II is on that list.

Maybe this will be of some help:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/ils/curriculum/study_abroad/international_schools.php

This is the list of the foreign law schools that are recognized as strong institutions by Harvard and/or which HLS graduate students have attended in their home countries. Paris II is on that list.
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Ralph Wigg...

Maybe this will be of some help:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/ils/curriculum/study_abroad/international_schools.php

This is the list of the foreign law schools that are recognized as strong institutions by Harvard and/or which HLS graduate students have attended in their home countries. Paris II is on that list.


Awesome hint - thank you!

<blockquote>Maybe this will be of some help:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/ils/curriculum/study_abroad/international_schools.php

This is the list of the foreign law schools that are recognized as strong institutions by Harvard and/or which HLS graduate students have attended in their home countries. Paris II is on that list.</blockquote>

Awesome hint - thank you!
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Ralph Wigg...

I dont think it matters much for applying to US/UK schools. While both are good universities, I would go for SciencesPo. It offers a more interdisciplinary curriculum, smaller classes, a better understanding of the French political system. One year of culture generale is valuable, whatever you choose to do afterwards. (I say this as someone who went to Paris II from Vienna). Paris II has a good reputation in legal circles. I was personally somewhat disappointed with the quality of the legal education. There is a high degree of rot learning and the integration with French students is difficult.


Thank you, econ_lawyer! But as far as I know (still have to inform myself better) there is no law taught at Sciences Po respectively there is no law curriculum but only some law courses within curricula of political science or economics. Wouldn't you find it better from that point of view to head for Paris II since it has an outstanding reputation in matters of law?

By the way, was it really so disappointing at Paris II? How long did you study there?

<blockquote>I dont think it matters much for applying to US/UK schools. While both are good universities, I would go for SciencesPo. It offers a more interdisciplinary curriculum, smaller classes, a better understanding of the French political system. One year of culture generale is valuable, whatever you choose to do afterwards. (I say this as someone who went to Paris II from Vienna). Paris II has a good reputation in legal circles. I was personally somewhat disappointed with the quality of the legal education. There is a high degree of rot learning and the integration with French students is difficult.</blockquote>

Thank you, econ_lawyer! But as far as I know (still have to inform myself better) there is no law taught at Sciences Po respectively there is no law curriculum but only some law courses within curricula of political science or economics. Wouldn't you find it better from that point of view to head for Paris II since it has an outstanding reputation in matters of law?

By the way, was it really so disappointing at Paris II? How long did you study there?
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Sprotch

They're both good institutions that teach different subjects.

One is a law school, the other one teaches political science.

The real question is what do you want to study?


They're both good institutions that teach different subjects.

One is a law school, the other one teaches political science.

The real question is what do you want to study?
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