Penn vs Chicago


jsd


I believe that Penn is at least not worse than the above mentioned universities. For example I would never go to NYU due to the size of the LL.M.-program. Furthermore you are not allowed to take classes with the JDs.

Last but not at least it is far more difficult to get admitted to Penn than to Columbia (250 students) or NYU (400 students). According to my latest information there are 1,400 applications for the 90 places in next year's LL.M.-class!


I believe choice of law school depends (apart from finance) on (1) quality of education and (2) perception. All the abovenamed schools (incl. UPenn) have no doubt excellent infrastructure and faculty and the difference in that is marginal. In such cases perception assumes importance.

Of course, not being an LLM from any of the abovementioned I have no choice but to accept your word that the quality of education / teaching at UPenn is no worse than the others. And certainly the institution is more selective than NYU (which has accepted applicants with the most outrageous grades and backgrounds!). Nevertheless with my few years of experience and before that as an undergrad the perception I have always got from my profs, seniors and bosses is that NYU and CLS are superior to UPenn. As a matter of fact the only six people I know to have accepted the latter had confessed (while joining) that they did so in the absence of offers from the rest and not because UPenn was their first choice (leaving out Yale, Harvard and Stanford).

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I believe that Penn is at least not worse than the above mentioned universities. For example I would never go to NYU due to the size of the LL.M.-program. Furthermore you are not allowed to take classes with the JDs.

Last but not at least it is far more difficult to get admitted to Penn than to Columbia (250 students) or NYU (400 students). According to my latest information there are 1,400 applications for the 90 places in next year's LL.M.-class! </blockquote>

I believe choice of law school depends (apart from finance) on (1) quality of education and (2) perception. All the abovenamed schools (incl. UPenn) have no doubt excellent infrastructure and faculty and the difference in that is marginal. In such cases perception assumes importance.

Of course, not being an LLM from any of the abovementioned I have no choice but to accept your word that the quality of education / teaching at UPenn is no worse than the others. And certainly the institution is more selective than NYU (which has accepted applicants with the most outrageous grades and backgrounds!). Nevertheless with my few years of experience and before that as an undergrad the perception I have always got from my profs, seniors and bosses is that NYU and CLS are superior to UPenn. As a matter of fact the only six people I know to have accepted the latter had confessed (while joining) that they did so in the absence of offers from the rest and not because UPenn was their first choice (leaving out Yale, Harvard and Stanford).
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Kovac


I believe that Penn is at least not worse than the above mentioned universities. For example I would never go to NYU due to the size of the LL.M.-program. Furthermore you are not allowed to take classes with the JDs.

Last but not at least it is far more difficult to get admitted to Penn than to Columbia (250 students) or NYU (400 students). According to my latest information there are 1,400 applications for the 90 places in next year's LL.M.-class!


I believe choice of law school depends (apart from finance) on (1) quality of education and (2) perception. All the abovenamed schools (incl. UPenn) have no doubt excellent infrastructure and faculty and the difference in that is marginal. In such cases perception assumes importance.

Of course, not being an LLM from any of the abovementioned I have no choice but to accept your word that the quality of education / teaching at UPenn is no worse than the others. And certainly the institution is more selective than NYU (which has accepted applicants with the most outrageous grades and backgrounds!). Nevertheless with my few years of experience and before that as an undergrad the perception I have always got from my profs, seniors and bosses is that NYU and CLS are superior to UPenn. As a matter of fact the only six people I know to have accepted the latter had confessed (while joining) that they did so in the absence of offers from the rest and not because UPenn was their first choice (leaving out Yale, Harvard and Stanford).


In my mind those people are judging with regard to the location. To them New York is more prestigious than Philly which I have to admit is true. But with regard to the education there are no differences. Don't forget that Penn is an Ivy League university (in contrast to NYU)!

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I believe that Penn is at least not worse than the above mentioned universities. For example I would never go to NYU due to the size of the LL.M.-program. Furthermore you are not allowed to take classes with the JDs.

Last but not at least it is far more difficult to get admitted to Penn than to Columbia (250 students) or NYU (400 students). According to my latest information there are 1,400 applications for the 90 places in next year's LL.M.-class! </blockquote>

I believe choice of law school depends (apart from finance) on (1) quality of education and (2) perception. All the abovenamed schools (incl. UPenn) have no doubt excellent infrastructure and faculty and the difference in that is marginal. In such cases perception assumes importance.

Of course, not being an LLM from any of the abovementioned I have no choice but to accept your word that the quality of education / teaching at UPenn is no worse than the others. And certainly the institution is more selective than NYU (which has accepted applicants with the most outrageous grades and backgrounds!). Nevertheless with my few years of experience and before that as an undergrad the perception I have always got from my profs, seniors and bosses is that NYU and CLS are superior to UPenn. As a matter of fact the only six people I know to have accepted the latter had confessed (while joining) that they did so in the absence of offers from the rest and not because UPenn was their first choice (leaving out Yale, Harvard and Stanford).</blockquote>

In my mind those people are judging with regard to the location. To them New York is more prestigious than Philly which I have to admit is true. But with regard to the education there are no differences. Don't forget that Penn is an Ivy League university (in contrast to NYU)!
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Borat_USA

I do agree with Kovac. Upenn is more business oriented than Chicago and I see no diference between Penn and CLS (I am not talking about city, campus, money, etc.).

JSD is a ranking bitch. BTW, are you an applicant? Where are you from? Hope you are ok and rolling...

I do agree with Kovac. Upenn is more business oriented than Chicago and I see no diference between Penn and CLS (I am not talking about city, campus, money, etc.).

JSD is a ranking bitch. BTW, are you an applicant? Where are you from? Hope you are ok and rolling...
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Wizard

Additionally, to those who are ranking fans, I believe the University is as important as the Law School.


I disagree. Some law / business schools are exceptionally known despite the parent university being relatively less known. A few are modest in all departments. Comparisons on the basis of universities can be confusing and may actually hinder selection of the optimum law school. UPenn may be ranked #4 in your list but can it be honestly said that UPenn Law is better than all of these - NYU, Chicago, Cornell and CLS ??


I have no particular reason.

According to your post and as regards to rankings (US News only):

PENN
4 - Overall (National Universities)
8 - Law
3 - Business

CLS
8 - Overall (National Universities)
4 - Law
9 - Business

Chicago
8 - Overall (National Universities)
6 - Law (or 7)
5 - Business (or 6)

Give me your best shot now!!! It is clear that Penn is better.

<blockquote><blockquote>Additionally, to those who are ranking fans, I believe the University is as important as the Law School.
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I disagree. Some law / business schools are exceptionally known despite the parent university being relatively less known. A few are modest in all departments. Comparisons on the basis of universities can be confusing and may actually hinder selection of the optimum law school. UPenn may be ranked #4 in your list but can it be honestly said that UPenn Law is better than all of these - NYU, Chicago, Cornell and CLS ??
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I have no particular reason.

According to your post and as regards to rankings (US News only):

PENN
4 - Overall (National Universities)
8 - Law
3 - Business

CLS
8 - Overall (National Universities)
4 - Law
9 - Business

Chicago
8 - Overall (National Universities)
6 - Law (or 7)
5 - Business (or 6)

Give me your best shot now!!! It is clear that Penn is better.
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VERY GOOD!!!!

VERY GOOD!!!!
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jsd

I do agree with Kovac. Upenn is more business oriented than Chicago and I see no diference between Penn and CLS (I am not talking about city, campus, money, etc.).

JSD is a ranking bitch. BTW, are you an applicant? Where are you from? Hope you are ok and rolling...


I don't subscribe to any of these published rankings - if that's what you mean. There's no way of being certain whether their conclusions are sponsored. Unlike many, I am looking only to further my legal education and therefore don't buy that 'business' yarn that is so often spun. Lastly,
I am indeed an applicant though to only one institution.

<blockquote>I do agree with Kovac. Upenn is more business oriented than Chicago and I see no diference between Penn and CLS (I am not talking about city, campus, money, etc.).

JSD is a ranking bitch. BTW, are you an applicant? Where are you from? Hope you are ok and rolling...</blockquote>

I don't subscribe to any of these published rankings - if that's what you mean. There's no way of being certain whether their conclusions are sponsored. Unlike many, I am looking only to further my legal education and therefore don't buy that 'business' yarn that is so often spun. Lastly,
I am indeed an applicant though to only one institution.
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