LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours = "Above Average"
Posted Jul 13, 2009 22:27
I want to know what you guys think about these "conversions"; is a 2.1 generally converted to a blanket "Above Average"? What is your particular experience with this? Do they take into account that getting a 2.1 from certain is more difficult in certain schools than others? etc. etc. What do you guys think about these academic "conversions"???
I want to know what you guys think about these "conversions"; is a 2.1 generally converted to a blanket "Above Average"? What is your particular experience with this? Do they take into account that getting a 2.1 from certain is more difficult in certain schools than others? etc. etc. What do you guys think about these academic "conversions"???
Posted Jul 13, 2009 23:10
You shouldn't worry too much about what LSAC has to say about it.
Of course for other countries and/or universities for which admission committees must rely on the LSAC conversion, the tendency of the latter to not properly take into account the fact foreign universities often have harsher curves than in the US can be truly problematic.
I mean B- can be an excellent GPA if that's what the first obtained out of 500 graduates that year.
You shouldn't worry too much about what LSAC has to say about it.
Of course for other countries and/or universities for which admission committees must rely on the LSAC conversion, the tendency of the latter to not properly take into account the fact foreign universities often have harsher curves than in the US can be truly problematic.
I mean B- can be an excellent GPA if that's what the first obtained out of 500 graduates that year.
Posted Jul 14, 2009 12:25
Posted Jul 14, 2009 18:41
Hanna, the problem is that many LLM program require that you go through LSAC for the foreign creditials report. I personally find their conversion "scale" extremely simplistic; the grade conversion seems to be innacurate, there seems to be no scaling relating to quality of institution or or type of degree pursued (e.g. honours degree vs. non-honours degree).
Hanna, the problem is that many LLM program require that you go through LSAC for the foreign creditials report. I personally find their conversion "scale" extremely simplistic; the grade conversion seems to be innacurate, there seems to be no scaling relating to quality of institution or or type of degree pursued (e.g. honours degree vs. non-honours degree).
Posted Jul 15, 2009 12:14
As you said the scale is too standardized and does not reflect the national grading system mand their evaluation is a joke.
As you said the scale is too standardized and does not reflect the national grading system mand their evaluation is a joke.
Posted Jul 15, 2009 14:28
Posted Jul 15, 2009 21:17
Thanks
Thanks
Posted Oct 07, 2009 15:31
I also have a 2:1,and have submitted my transcripts to LSAC....still waiting for evaluation....it will probably be "above average" too....
Has anyone found this to be a problem..im applying to Columbia/NYU/Cornell...and wonder whether I should send original transcripts to the schools instead of using LSAC??
I also have a 2:1,and have submitted my transcripts to LSAC....still waiting for evaluation....it will probably be "above average" too....
Has anyone found this to be a problem..im applying to Columbia/NYU/Cornell...and wonder whether I should send original transcripts to the schools instead of using LSAC??
Posted Oct 07, 2009 16:03
Plus, it is cheaper...
Plus, it is cheaper...
Posted Nov 19, 2012 18:14
I am appealing this and hoping for a re-evaluation, it really isn't accurate for them to include first year grades from UK transcripts!
I am appealing this and hoping for a re-evaluation, it really isn't accurate for them to include first year grades from UK transcripts!
Posted Nov 19, 2012 18:26
Posted Nov 19, 2012 18:30
Posted Nov 20, 2012 06:06
Another confusion because of LSAC system
I did send my application through LSAC, but did not request for an International Service Evaluation Form because the Uni that I apply for does not require it.
In my account, I found a file "POSTSECONDARY SUMMARY" and it mentioned:
1. First degree in law
2. Highest level of US postsecondary-equivalent work completed
3. Minimum degree requirement not met
4. Degree not completed
I have sent everything to LSAC as per requirement, but I do not understand what does it mean for no. 3 and 4?
I ensure that my academic & professional qualification could meet the requirement of the uni. Particularly for no. 4 Degree not completed??? I graduated 5 years ago and sent my LLB certificate to LSAC, so what`s the basis for LSAC to say that my Degree is not completed?
Im so worry now, any judgment from LSAC could misleading and bring a disadvantage to the applicant as this report has sent to the Uni.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? or could share the experience on the same issue?
really desperate now!
Another confusion because of LSAC system
I did send my application through LSAC, but did not request for an International Service Evaluation Form because the Uni that I apply for does not require it.
In my account, I found a file "POSTSECONDARY SUMMARY" and it mentioned:
1. First degree in law
2. Highest level of US postsecondary-equivalent work completed
3. Minimum degree requirement not met
4. Degree not completed
I have sent everything to LSAC as per requirement, but I do not understand what does it mean for no. 3 and 4?
I ensure that my academic & professional qualification could meet the requirement of the uni. Particularly for no. 4 Degree not completed??? I graduated 5 years ago and sent my LLB certificate to LSAC, so what`s the basis for LSAC to say that my Degree is not completed?
Im so worry now, any judgment from LSAC could misleading and bring a disadvantage to the applicant as this report has sent to the Uni.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? or could share the experience on the same issue?
really desperate now!
Posted Nov 20, 2012 06:45
My law school report that I mention before is the initial Law School Report, which has sent by LSAC to the uni. some parts also still bank.
US-comparable education completed at this institution:
Grade average at this institution:
*Quality of academic record for this institution:
I did send my online application yesterday. Im from a small country in Asia, is there any possibility that LSAC could not track the record/ has an access to my uni in my home country? that`s why these parts still blank.. or they still working on it and will update in the 2nd report?
I really need an advice...
crying in the corner now....
My law school report that I mention before is the initial Law School Report, which has sent by LSAC to the uni. some parts also still bank.
US-comparable education completed at this institution:
Grade average at this institution:
*Quality of academic record for this institution:
I did send my online application yesterday. Im from a small country in Asia, is there any possibility that LSAC could not track the record/ has an access to my uni in my home country? that`s why these parts still blank.. or they still working on it and will update in the 2nd report?
I really need an advice...
crying in the corner now....
Posted Nov 20, 2012 09:06
As for the blank answers, why dont you call lsac? They replied all my emails and were also very helpful by phone.
As for the blank answers, why dont you call lsac? They replied all my emails and were also very helpful by phone.
Posted Nov 20, 2012 09:32
Yes you right, these signs are mentioned in my Law School Report, I did sent my queries to LSAC and hope they will respond it soon.
I assume that they probably still work on my report as "General Comments" is still blank too.
Has LSAC filled up the "General Comments" in your report? or you have the same situation as I am?
Thanks for sharing
Yes you right, these signs are mentioned in my Law School Report, I did sent my queries to LSAC and hope they will respond it soon.
I assume that they probably still work on my report as "General Comments" is still blank too.
Has LSAC filled up the "General Comments" in your report? or you have the same situation as I am?
Thanks for sharing
Posted Nov 20, 2012 10:30
Dear mdm31
Yes you right, these signs are mentioned in my Law School Report, I did sent my queries to LSAC and hope they will respond it soon.
I assume that they probably still work on my report as "General Comments" is still blank too.
Has LSAC filled up the "General Comments" in your report? or you have the same situation as I am?
Thanks for sharing
Blank for General Comments as well (and for some other items as well).. but I dont think that this is a big deal.
Yes you right, these signs are mentioned in my Law School Report, I did sent my queries to LSAC and hope they will respond it soon.
I assume that they probably still work on my report as "General Comments" is still blank too.
Has LSAC filled up the "General Comments" in your report? or you have the same situation as I am?
Thanks for sharing
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Blank for General Comments as well (and for some other items as well).. but I dont think that this is a big deal.
Posted Nov 20, 2012 12:31
Read you report calmly...
As for the blank answers, why dont you call lsac? They replied all my emails and were also very helpful by phone.
Good advice! I have had nothing but a good experience with LSAC and they responded to an email I sent asking them to make a correction within 3 or 4 days.
I just want to add that the chatter stating "well my school ranks us this way" is frustratingly limited. Its irrelevant how YOUR university ranks YOU for honors (sic) status. What matters is how rigorous the university is and how this stacks up against others. I mean, come on - obtaining honours off 4 grades or only your final year is AMAZING, I wish Australian universities did that!
IMHO - the more relevant questions to be asking are:
- 1. How does your university assess you?
Is it 50:50 exam to paper ratio, or is it more like 70:30 (like my law school), or do you NOT sit exams? (law exams are hard; ours were open book which were killers because of what we were expected to know).
- 2. How does your university mark your assessments?
Is it via individual merit (the university I studied my BA at, and subsequently taught in do this) or is it still via Bell Curve? (Bell Curves are disadvantageous to a students overall GPA, unless you're gunning it)
- 3. What is your cumulative GPA?
Forget the label 'honors (sic)' for a moment and just look at it logically (don't kid yourself because the truth is inconvenient)
I might add that I got a Above Average for my LLB and a Superior for my BA (International Studies). I studied at an Australian university within the Top 8 (we call it the Group of 8). By my law school standards my LLB grades were OK but not amazing. My law school 70:30 or 60:40 examines (no take home exams) for the vast MAJORITY of assessments and we were Bell Curved. Basically, it was hard to do well.
Anyway - thats my logic but it could be very wrong :)
Good luck ppl!
As for the blank answers, why dont you call lsac? They replied all my emails and were also very helpful by phone.
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Good advice! I have had nothing but a good experience with LSAC and they responded to an email I sent asking them to make a correction within 3 or 4 days.
I just want to add that the chatter stating "well my school ranks us this way" is frustratingly limited. Its irrelevant how YOUR university ranks YOU for honors (sic) status. What matters is how rigorous the university is and how this stacks up against others. I mean, come on - obtaining honours off 4 grades or only your final year is AMAZING, I wish Australian universities did that!
IMHO - the more relevant questions to be asking are:
- 1. How does your university assess you?
Is it 50:50 exam to paper ratio, or is it more like 70:30 (like my law school), or do you NOT sit exams? (law exams are hard; ours were open book which were killers because of what we were expected to know).
- 2. How does your university mark your assessments?
Is it via individual merit (the university I studied my BA at, and subsequently taught in do this) or is it still via Bell Curve? (Bell Curves are disadvantageous to a students overall GPA, unless you're gunning it)
- 3. What is your cumulative GPA?
Forget the label 'honors (sic)' for a moment and just look at it logically (don't kid yourself because the truth is inconvenient)
I might add that I got a Above Average for my LLB and a Superior for my BA (International Studies). I studied at an Australian university within the Top 8 (we call it the Group of 8). By my law school standards my LLB grades were OK but not amazing. My law school 70:30 or 60:40 examines (no take home exams) for the vast MAJORITY of assessments and we were Bell Curved. Basically, it was hard to do well.
Anyway - thats my logic but it could be very wrong :)
Good luck ppl!
Posted Dec 11, 2012 22:57
In short, it is well worth disputing the evaluation if you feel it doesn't truly reflect your grades as long as you have some information you can send in to them. Good luck!
In short, it is well worth disputing the evaluation if you feel it doesn't truly reflect your grades as long as you have some information you can send in to them. Good luck!
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