LL.M. Class 2010 at Upenn Law


meetmeannu

I have created a new community with name "LL.M. Class 2010 at Upenn Law". All those who have received offer till now from the Upenn are requested to join this community and share views with each other. It will really nice to see all you Upennian.

I have created a new community with name "LL.M. Class 2010 at Upenn Law". All those who have received offer till now from the Upenn are requested to join this community and share views with each other. It will really nice to see all you Upennian.
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TTG

Hi, I got accepted into Upenn a few days back. However, I am seriously considering LLM/Kellogg at NWU. I am still in huge dilemma deciding where to go.

Hi, I got accepted into Upenn a few days back. However, I am seriously considering LLM/Kellogg at NWU. I am still in huge dilemma deciding where to go.
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fc

Don't forget that the Kellog or Wharton is just a plus in the program. The real think is the LLM. And in that field I think Upenn has a better reputation. Although it seems from other posts that Kellog program is better, that's no doubt that Wharton has a better reputation (close call).
I was also accepted. And I have two questions for the accepted ones: do you already know how are you going to pay? Do you already have a bank?
And: what happen if you get accepted by NYU. Would you choose NYU or Upenn? It seems NYU has a better ranking, but the acceptance rate of Upenn is 8%, while NYU has a historic acceptance rate of 25%.

Don't forget that the Kellog or Wharton is just a plus in the program. The real think is the LLM. And in that field I think Upenn has a better reputation. Although it seems from other posts that Kellog program is better, that's no doubt that Wharton has a better reputation (close call).
I was also accepted. And I have two questions for the accepted ones: do you already know how are you going to pay? Do you already have a bank?
And: what happen if you get accepted by NYU. Would you choose NYU or Upenn? It seems NYU has a better ranking, but the acceptance rate of Upenn is 8%, while NYU has a historic acceptance rate of 25%.
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meetmeannu

Kellogg has better reputaion than Whatton. LL.M/kellogg is mainly for business lawyer. First you have to prioritize your intention then decide. Corporate law at Penn is a real bomb but Wharton is nothing but a certificate which will not help in job hunting except in gaining knowledge.
However we have to see cost factor too. Kellogg is much more expensive than general LL.M.

Kellogg has better reputaion than Whatton. LL.M/kellogg is mainly for business lawyer. First you have to prioritize your intention then decide. Corporate law at Penn is a real bomb but Wharton is nothing but a certificate which will not help in job hunting except in gaining knowledge.
However we have to see cost factor too. Kellogg is much more expensive than general LL.M.
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Somebody has set up a group, University of Pennsylvania Law School LLM Class of 2010, at facebook.

Somebody has set up a group, University of Pennsylvania Law School LLM Class of 2010, at facebook.
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bCoool

I can see that the LLMK vs Wharton Program discussion is going on here as well and you may refer to the following, quoted my words from another post.

As admitted to both LLM/Kellogg and UPenn LLM (my acceptance to Wharton Cert. Program is pending), I've done some research and would like to share the result so far, hoping to aid your decision.

1. Degree
Both LLM/Kellogg (LLMK) and Wharton Business and Law Certificate Program (Wharton Program) are not dual degree programs. In other words, upon graduation, you will have earned a Law degree and a certificate from the B school, not an MBA. In such respect, there is no difference between the two programs; except the certificate from Kellogg will read "Certificate in Management" and that from Wharton will read "Wharton Business and Law Certificate."

2. Course Description
While the course at LLMK seems more comprehensive, which includes core MBA courses, some claim that the courses available for the Wharton Program matriculants are basically 'left overs' from the Wharton MBA programs. In other words, only the elective courses will be available, not the core MBA courses such as Corporate Finance, Financial Accounting or Marketing. However, I believe this is only true to the JD students at Penn Law seeking to obtain a certificate from Wharton. The "Wharton Business and Law Certificate" Program is specifically designed for LL.M students, the courses of which include core MBA credits. Taking classes with LLMs not MBAs may be a downside but as long as I can learn from Wharton faculty members, if not "star" professors, I personally do not have a problem with this. Furthermore, although the course requirement for the Wharton Program (3 courses at Wharton School) may seem insignificant, note that you need to earn certain credits related to business at Penn Law, such as Corporation or Securities Regulation towards the Wharton Business AND Law Certificate, which makes a lot of sense to me.

3. Transfer policy to JD/MBA or MBA.
I've asked NU about this via email. They said that NU Law does not have transfer policies from LLM to JD nor do they encourage such transfer. I believe this may also be true to transfer from LLMK to Kellogg. Nevertheless, Kellogg has a unique One Yr MBA Program, which requires the applicants to have earned credits in core MBA courses from a certified institution, such as colleges or community colleges. (Check out their Web-site) Hence, the credits earned through the LLMK may be used to meet such requirement. (I would like to believe that the Wharton Program curriculum would suffice to meet such prerequisite but I would need more research.) However, LLMK graduates would be required to apply to Kellogg with GMAT scores just as the same as any regular applicant. There may be an unrevealed upside in the reviewing process by the Admissions Committee for LLMK graduates who apply to Kellogg but then again this is pure assumption and speculation. A recommendation from a current Kellogg faculty member, if you can manage to secure one, may play a major plus role for admission to Kellogg.

4. Alumni
I do NOT know if LLMK graduates are able to enjoy the Kellogg network. However, I DO know that graduates of the Wharton Business and Law Certificate Program, which is among the Wharton Program(s) for Working Professionals, are considered as both UPenn alumni and Wharton School Alumni. For the Wharton Program matriculant of Penn Law LL.M., he/she will be considered as alumni of University of Pennsylvania, Penn Law and Wharton School. You may refer to the following, which I found in the FAQ list at the WPWP website.

"Are WPWP graduates recognized as University of Pennsylvania alumni?

==> Students who earn their certificates from the Wharton Program for Working Professionals will be alumni of the University of Pennsylvania and the Wharton School.

What Penn Resources are available to WPWP Students?

==> As a matriculated part-time student, WPWP students can take advantage of an extensive list of resources. Access to Penn's Lippincott Library, Weingarten Learning Resource Center, and Knowledge@Wharton are a few of the many opportunities accessible to students enrolled in the program. In addition, access to study rooms, recreation facilities, and student organizations, including WPWP's business fraternity, Pi Delta Epsilon, is also available."

5. Conclusion
Personally, I dont think you can go wrong by choosing either one of them. Both Wharton and Kellogg are well recognized schools. Same goes for NU Law and Penn Law. I would probably choose to go to Penn Law because most of the key directors at my firm are Penn Law or Wharton graduates. Furthermore, I intend to work in the B2B industry rather than the B2C industry as an investment advisor or to jump to an IB and since Whartons strength is in Finance whereas that of Kellogg is in Marketing, a taste of studies in finance at Wharton would definitely boost my career perspectives, or so I hope to believe.

I can see that the LLMK vs Wharton Program discussion is going on here as well and you may refer to the following, quoted my words from another post.

As admitted to both LLM/Kellogg and UPenn LLM (my acceptance to Wharton Cert. Program is pending), I've done some research and would like to share the result so far, hoping to aid your decision.

1. Degree
Both LLM/Kellogg (“LLMK”) and Wharton Business and Law Certificate Program (“Wharton Program”) are not dual degree programs. In other words, upon graduation, you will have earned a Law degree and a certificate from the B school, not an MBA. In such respect, there is no difference between the two programs; except the certificate from Kellogg will read "Certificate in Management" and that from Wharton will read "Wharton Business and Law Certificate."

2. Course Description
While the course at LLMK seems more comprehensive, which includes core MBA courses, some claim that the courses available for the Wharton Program matriculants are basically 'left overs' from the Wharton MBA programs. In other words, only the elective courses will be available, not the core MBA courses such as Corporate Finance, Financial Accounting or Marketing. However, I believe this is only true to the JD students at Penn Law seeking to obtain a certificate from Wharton. The "Wharton Business and Law Certificate" Program is specifically designed for LL.M students, the courses of which include core MBA credits. Taking classes with LLMs not MBAs may be a downside but as long as I can learn from Wharton faculty members, if not "star" professors, I personally do not have a problem with this. Furthermore, although the course requirement for the Wharton Program (3 courses at Wharton School) may seem insignificant, note that you need to earn certain credits related to business at Penn Law, such as Corporation or Securities Regulation towards the “Wharton Business AND Law Certificate”, which makes a lot of sense to me.

3. Transfer policy to JD/MBA or MBA.
I've asked NU about this via email. They said that NU Law does not have transfer policies from LLM to JD nor do they encourage such transfer. I believe this may also be true to transfer from LLMK to Kellogg. Nevertheless, Kellogg has a unique One Yr MBA Program, which requires the applicants to have earned credits in core MBA courses from a certified institution, such as colleges or community colleges. (Check out their Web-site) Hence, the credits earned through the LLMK may be used to meet such requirement. (I would like to believe that the Wharton Program curriculum would suffice to meet such prerequisite but I would need more research.) However, LLMK graduates would be required to apply to Kellogg with GMAT scores just as the same as any regular applicant. There may be an unrevealed upside in the reviewing process by the Admissions Committee for LLMK graduates who apply to Kellogg but then again this is pure assumption and speculation. A recommendation from a current Kellogg faculty member, if you can manage to secure one, may play a major plus role for admission to Kellogg.

4. Alumni
I do NOT know if LLMK graduates are able to enjoy the Kellogg network. However, I DO know that graduates of the Wharton Business and Law Certificate Program, which is among the Wharton Program(s) for Working Professionals, are considered as both UPenn alumni and Wharton School Alumni. For the Wharton Program matriculant of Penn Law LL.M., he/she will be considered as alumni of University of Pennsylvania, Penn Law and Wharton School. You may refer to the following, which I found in the FAQ list at the WPWP website.

"Are WPWP graduates recognized as University of Pennsylvania alumni?

==> Students who earn their certificates from the Wharton Program for Working Professionals will be alumni of the University of Pennsylvania and the Wharton School.

What Penn Resources are available to WPWP Students?

==> As a matriculated part-time student, WPWP students can take advantage of an extensive list of resources. Access to Penn's Lippincott Library, Weingarten Learning Resource Center, and Knowledge@Wharton are a few of the many opportunities accessible to students enrolled in the program. In addition, access to study rooms, recreation facilities, and student organizations, including WPWP's business fraternity, Pi Delta Epsilon, is also available."

5. Conclusion
Personally, I don’t think you can go wrong by choosing either one of them. Both Wharton and Kellogg are well recognized schools. Same goes for NU Law and Penn Law. I would probably choose to go to Penn Law because most of the key directors at my firm are Penn Law or Wharton graduates. Furthermore, I intend to work in the B2B industry rather than the B2C industry as an investment advisor or to jump to an IB and since Wharton’s strength is in Finance whereas that of Kellogg is in Marketing, a taste of studies in finance at Wharton would definitely boost my career perspectives, or so I hope to believe.
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ipink

Some thoughts: Although I believe that both business schools are great, I still can't make up my mind about which one to chose, NYU or UPenn. Of course NYU has not replied to me yet, and maybe all this dilemma is for nothing. It is a fact that one has to figure out which Uni suits him/her best, but still, when you have the luxury to chose, you can't help wondering how this choice will affect your life, next year, and maybe forever, as far as the whole LLM experience is concerned...if anyone has REALLY strong arguments on which he/she considers best, I am all ears...(Everybody at work tells me a different opinion, according to the Uni they have attended, I am sick of it...they are mesing with my mind....)

Some thoughts: Although I believe that both business schools are great, I still can't make up my mind about which one to chose, NYU or UPenn. Of course NYU has not replied to me yet, and maybe all this dilemma is for nothing. It is a fact that one has to figure out which Uni suits him/her best, but still, when you have the luxury to chose, you can't help wondering how this choice will affect your life, next year, and maybe forever, as far as the whole LLM experience is concerned...if anyone has REALLY strong arguments on which he/she considers best, I am all ears...(Everybody at work tells me a different opinion, according to the Uni they have attended, I am sick of it...they are mesing with my mind....)
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fc

This is exactly what I'm thinking of. And as I did not receive any news from NYU, as you said it can be a dilemma for nothing. But my main doubt is regarding acceptance rate. All things you do in life try to differ you from others. And it seems NYU accepts almost 500 LLMs, from a total of 2000 applicants. Upenn seems more restricted. But NYU has a better ranking, and in NYU you have more part-time opportunities, and so on.

This is exactly what I'm thinking of. And as I did not receive any news from NYU, as you said it can be a dilemma for nothing. But my main doubt is regarding acceptance rate. All things you do in life try to differ you from others. And it seems NYU accepts almost 500 LLMs, from a total of 2000 applicants. Upenn seems more restricted. But NYU has a better ranking, and in NYU you have more part-time opportunities, and so on.
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ipink

hey fc, have you had any news from NYU yet? I haven't, but as days go by the thought of accepting UPenn's offer grows stronger and stronger...

hey fc, have you had any news from NYU yet? I haven't, but as days go by the thought of accepting UPenn's offer grows stronger and stronger...
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meetmeannu

Hello All
How many of you have applied for the Wharton Business Law certificate program?

Hello All
How many of you have applied for the Wharton Business Law certificate program?
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mnementh

This is exactly what I'm thinking of. And as I did not receive any news from NYU, as you said it can be a dilemma for nothing. But my main doubt is regarding acceptance rate. All things you do in life try to differ you from others. And it seems NYU accepts almost 500 LLMs, from a total of 2000 applicants. Upenn seems more restricted. But NYU has a better ranking, and in NYU you have more part-time opportunities, and so on.


where did u get these stats? there are 450 llm's in NYU, half American half foreigners. I don't know about acceptance rate but this needs to be taken into consideration.

<blockquote>This is exactly what I'm thinking of. And as I did not receive any news from NYU, as you said it can be a dilemma for nothing. But my main doubt is regarding acceptance rate. All things you do in life try to differ you from others. And it seems NYU accepts almost 500 LLMs, from a total of 2000 applicants. Upenn seems more restricted. But NYU has a better ranking, and in NYU you have more part-time opportunities, and so on.</blockquote>

where did u get these stats? there are 450 llm's in NYU, half American half foreigners. I don't know about acceptance rate but this needs to be taken into consideration.
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bCoool

Hello All
How many of you have applied for the Wharton Business Law certificate program?


I was accepted last week. I was also lucky enough to get in touch with a current LLM/Wharton student. It seems she definately enjoyed her stay in Philly and the programs/events at PennLaw and, of course, the Wharton Program. According to her, the total class size is about 25, 4~5 of which are LLM students.

Hope this helps.

<blockquote>Hello All
How many of you have applied for the Wharton Business Law certificate program?</blockquote>

I was accepted last week. I was also lucky enough to get in touch with a current LLM/Wharton student. It seems she definately enjoyed her stay in Philly and the programs/events at PennLaw and, of course, the Wharton Program. According to her, the total class size is about 25, 4~5 of which are LLM students.

Hope this helps.
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fc

Hi guys. Nothing from NYU. And I agree. I'm getting used to Upenn.
I applied yesterday to WPWP.
Regarding rates, I think I saw previous (or in NYU website) that they receive about two thousand and something applications.

Hi guys. Nothing from NYU. And I agree. I'm getting used to Upenn.
I applied yesterday to WPWP.
Regarding rates, I think I saw previous (or in NYU website) that they receive about two thousand and something applications.
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ipink

since NYU is not an option for me anymore (just got rejected), I am now 90% sure that I will accept their offer. Well, I am quite dissapointed, but at least the waiting is over and I do not have a serious dilemma anymore...(thoughts to comfort myself..but also true)

since NYU is not an option for me anymore (just got rejected), I am now 90% sure that I will accept their offer. Well, I am quite dissapointed, but at least the waiting is over and I do not have a serious dilemma anymore...(thoughts to comfort myself..but also true)
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cartman

Hello everybody,

I was lucky to be admitted to both UPenn and UChicago during early February. Any thoughts? I realize my time to make a decision is almost up...

Hello everybody,

I was lucky to be admitted to both UPenn and UChicago during early February. Any thoughts? I realize my time to make a decision is almost up...
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menotit

@cartman

University of Chicago Hands down.
University of Chicago to me lies at the heart of American Legal System. (Disclaimer I am on the wait-list of Penn which has nothing to do with why I asked you to goto Chicago.)
If you are going to the university where Judge Posner teaches you can't be wrong !
If you ask me what is right about the american legal system I would think it is Law and Economics and Chicago is where you get the best deal on Law and Economics.
University of Penn is ivy league but I don't think you can do better than University of Chicago .
Take care.

@cartman

University of Chicago Hands down.
University of Chicago to me lies at the heart of American Legal System. (Disclaimer I am on the wait-list of Penn which has nothing to do with why I asked you to goto Chicago.)
If you are going to the university where Judge Posner teaches you can't be wrong !
If you ask me what is right about the american legal system I would think it is Law and Economics and Chicago is where you get the best deal on Law and Economics.
University of Penn is ivy league but I don't think you can do better than University of Chicago .
Take care.
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phantomlaw

I got my acceptance to NYU's LL.M. in Tax yesterday. I am pretty psyched. Now the only question is how am I going to pay for it. The tuition is bad enough but the cost of living in Manhattan is outrageous!

I got my acceptance to NYU's LL.M. in Tax yesterday. I am pretty psyched. Now the only question is how am I going to pay for it. The tuition is bad enough but the cost of living in Manhattan is outrageous!
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sergiom

@ cartman

Since both are top law schools (but Chicago is best ranked), you should attend the one that suit best your purposes.

However, if you get an scholarship or financial aid from one of them, you should attend that school

@ cartman

Since both are top law schools (but Chicago is best ranked), you should attend the one that suit best your purposes.

However, if you get an scholarship or financial aid from one of them, you should attend that school
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cartman

Thanks so much, menotit. I also appreciated the sincere disclaimer you added. What are your other choices? I submitted my application to the Wharton business and law certificate last week, just to see what happens. All the people I have contacted thus far have told me great things about UPenn, so I really don't know what to do.

Thanks so much, menotit. I also appreciated the sincere disclaimer you added. What are your other choices? I submitted my application to the Wharton business and law certificate last week, just to see what happens. All the people I have contacted thus far have told me great things about UPenn, so I really don't know what to do.
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cartman

Hi sergiom. Thanks for answering. I have four years of corporate and financial experience in a major firm. In terms of money, I do not have any scholarship under my belt! I have applied for federal aid and will most likely end up selling my soul to some bank. That is my story.

Hi sergiom. Thanks for answering. I have four years of corporate and financial experience in a major firm. In terms of money, I do not have any scholarship under my belt! I have applied for federal aid and will most likely end up selling my soul to some bank. That is my story.
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