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scheema

Hi everyone
I'm an LL.M applicant from Sydney and I've received an offer from Columbia. I have heard that living on campus is quite expensive so I wanted to ask what the best way is to research off-campus accommodation.
Thanks so much!

Hi everyone
I'm an LL.M applicant from Sydney and I've received an offer from Columbia. I have heard that living on campus is quite expensive so I wanted to ask what the best way is to research off-campus accommodation.
Thanks so much!
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CLaw

From what I have heard, It is relatively common that new LLMs take over housings from previous LLMs. Recently, I spoke to a student, who is currently studying at Columbia, and he offered me to take over his apartment. Just have a look at the homepage of CLS for admitted students.
Hope that helps!

From what I have heard, It is relatively common that new LLMs take over housings from previous LLMs. Recently, I spoke to a student, who is currently studying at Columbia, and he offered me to take over his apartment. Just have a look at the homepage of CLS for admitted students.
Hope that helps!
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Wavshrdr

Housing is expensive almost anywhere in NYC. The safer areas cost more than the less so. Closer to school is more expensive than away. You get what you pay for so to speak. It doesn't mean you can't find better options but it is good to start looking now.

Keep in mind that you will be very busy and there are benefits to being on campus. You save a lot of time commuting. In the cold weather you don't have far to go. Generally the campus is pretty safe. NYC is less safe now then when there were Republican mayors like Giuliani.

Housing is expensive almost anywhere in NYC. The safer areas cost more than the less so. Closer to school is more expensive than away. You get what you pay for so to speak. It doesn't mean you can't find better options but it is good to start looking now.

Keep in mind that you will be very busy and there are benefits to being on campus. You save a lot of time commuting. In the cold weather you don't have far to go. Generally the campus is pretty safe. NYC is less safe now then when there were Republican mayors like Giuliani.
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Hi everyone
I'm an LL.M applicant from Sydney and I've received an offer from Columbia. I have heard that living on campus is quite expensive so I wanted to ask what the best way is to research off-campus accommodation.
Thanks so much!


Congrats on your offer! Was it the early review or standard application cycle?

<blockquote>Hi everyone
I'm an LL.M applicant from Sydney and I've received an offer from Columbia. I have heard that living on campus is quite expensive so I wanted to ask what the best way is to research off-campus accommodation.
Thanks so much!</blockquote>

Congrats on your offer! Was it the early review or standard application cycle?
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imnc

Hi everyone
I'm an LL.M applicant from Sydney and I've received an offer from Columbia. I have heard that living on campus is quite expensive so I wanted to ask what the best way is to research off-campus accommodation.
Thanks so much!


Congratulations on the offer. The best is to start checking up NY room / apartment share sites as well as the columbia off-campus housing site. You can save 500-700 dollars over the on-campus accommodation by starting this process early.

Good places to search are West 110 - 135 streets and St Nicholas / Fred. Douglas Blvd, all on the east side of Morningside Park. Also ok are W 95-115 on Broadway or Amsterdam Ave though these will be a bit more expensive.

I'd suggest not confirming or paying for any arrangement till you personally inspect the apartment for bedbugs, roaches and pests. Be sure to check whether basic stuff like air conditioning, mattresses, microwave, some furniture is provided as these are expensive in NY.

<blockquote>Hi everyone
I'm an LL.M applicant from Sydney and I've received an offer from Columbia. I have heard that living on campus is quite expensive so I wanted to ask what the best way is to research off-campus accommodation.
Thanks so much!</blockquote>

Congratulations on the offer. The best is to start checking up NY room / apartment share sites as well as the columbia off-campus housing site. You can save 500-700 dollars over the on-campus accommodation by starting this process early.

Good places to search are West 110 - 135 streets and St Nicholas / Fred. Douglas Blvd, all on the east side of Morningside Park. Also ok are W 95-115 on Broadway or Amsterdam Ave though these will be a bit more expensive.

I'd suggest not confirming or paying for any arrangement till you personally inspect the apartment for bedbugs, roaches and pests. Be sure to check whether basic stuff like air conditioning, mattresses, microwave, some furniture is provided as these are expensive in NY.
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imnc

Housing is expensive almost anywhere in NYC. The safer areas cost more than the less so. Closer to school is more expensive than away. You get what you pay for so to speak. It doesn't mean you can't find better options but it is good to start looking now.

Keep in mind that you will be very busy and there are benefits to being on campus. You save a lot of time commuting. In the cold weather you don't have far to go. Generally the campus is pretty safe. NYC is less safe now then when there were Republican mayors like Giuliani.


Very unhelpful post. Why take the trouble of stating the obvious like 'you get what you pay for' or 'safer areas cost more', etc. Comparisons with Giuliani's time are meaningless and unless you are a resident of Morningside since before Giuliani's time I wonder how you give such opinions so knowledgeably.

As per official reports, crime in general has reduced much since 2000 (Giuliani stepped down in 2001 and his tenure saw a reduction in crime as well).

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/seven_major_felony_offenses_2000_2014.pdf

<blockquote>Housing is expensive almost anywhere in NYC. The safer areas cost more than the less so. Closer to school is more expensive than away. You get what you pay for so to speak. It doesn't mean you can't find better options but it is good to start looking now.

Keep in mind that you will be very busy and there are benefits to being on campus. You save a lot of time commuting. In the cold weather you don't have far to go. Generally the campus is pretty safe. NYC is less safe now then when there were Republican mayors like Giuliani. </blockquote>

Very unhelpful post. Why take the trouble of stating the obvious like 'you get what you pay for' or 'safer areas cost more', etc. Comparisons with Giuliani's time are meaningless and unless you are a resident of Morningside since before Giuliani's time I wonder how you give such opinions so knowledgeably.

As per official reports, crime in general has reduced much since 2000 (Giuliani stepped down in 2001 and his tenure saw a reduction in crime as well).

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/seven_major_felony_offenses_2000_2014.pdf
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Wavshrdr

I've spent quite a bit of time in NYC. The company where I work has a major office there. I have friends who live and work in the city and have lived their all their lives.

It is OBVIOUS the city doesn't feel near as safe since DeBlasio became mayor. I hope you are smart enough to know that statistics don't tell all the story. There is a very good idiom. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." Giulani got the city on the right path.

DeBlasio unwound a lot of that progress in short order. It is quite interesting to note that generally the most dangerous citis in the US are in the control of "Democrats" with Chicago being an excellent example of that. Tightest gun control there but also some of the worst crime. Whether you like it or not from a civil rights point of view, the "stop and frisk" that the police did before DeBlasio through it out had an effect on reducing crime.

The other important point of my post was that sometimes that sometimes a potential cost savings is more than offset by increased time to get to campus. Some people have never been to the US and don't know what it is really like in some areas. Just like nobody talks too much about all the homeless that will accost you in the Tenderloin district and other areas of San Francisco yet you'll "experience" it yourself if you happen to go in the area.

One thing people need to understand about American police. The can't really do anything UNTIL a crime has been committed. At best the hope is that by seeing police in uniform it will be a deterrent to crime. The stricter the gun control laws are in a city, the more the criminals know the average person will be unarmed.

I've spent quite a bit of time in NYC. The company where I work has a major office there. I have friends who live and work in the city and have lived their all their lives.

It is OBVIOUS the city doesn't feel near as safe since DeBlasio became mayor. I hope you are smart enough to know that statistics don't tell all the story. There is a very good idiom. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." Giulani got the city on the right path.

DeBlasio unwound a lot of that progress in short order. It is quite interesting to note that generally the most dangerous citis in the US are in the control of "Democrats" with Chicago being an excellent example of that. Tightest gun control there but also some of the worst crime. Whether you like it or not from a civil rights point of view, the "stop and frisk" that the police did before DeBlasio through it out had an effect on reducing crime.

The other important point of my post was that sometimes that sometimes a potential cost savings is more than offset by increased time to get to campus. Some people have never been to the US and don't know what it is really like in some areas. Just like nobody talks too much about all the homeless that will accost you in the Tenderloin district and other areas of San Francisco yet you'll "experience" it yourself if you happen to go in the area.

One thing people need to understand about American police. The can't really do anything UNTIL a crime has been committed. At best the hope is that by seeing police in uniform it will be a deterrent to crime. The stricter the gun control laws are in a city, the more the criminals know the average person will be unarmed.
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imnc

I've spent quite a bit of time in NYC. The company where I work has a major office there. I have friends who live and work in the city and have lived their all their lives.

It is OBVIOUS the city doesn't feel near as safe since DeBlasio became mayor. I hope you are smart enough to know that statistics don't tell all the story. There is a very good idiom. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." Giulani got the city on the right path.


On what basis do you make such sweeping assessments? Giuliani was mayor from 1994 to 2001. Have you been living in NYC since the late 80s / early 90s?

Except for a canned response to my statistics - which even the Economist quotes in support of a safer NYC today, you don't seem to have anything else to say.

I keep an eye on any news relating to crime since as a foreign student it is important to me. Nearly all sources of published opinion and information seem to suggest that NYC today is safer than it has ever been. Chicago is a different story.

DeBlasio unwound a lot of that progress in short order. It is quite interesting to note that generally the most dangerous citis in the US are in the control of "Democrats" with Chicago being an excellent example of that. Tightest gun control there but also some of the worst crime. Whether you like it or not from a civil rights point of view, the "stop and frisk" that the police did before DeBlasio through it out had an effect on reducing crime.


This is simplistic and naive. Big cities in the U.S. have traditionally voted Democratic because of their liberal values - just as rural areas tend to vote Republican. Big cities also, obviously, attract more crime simply because more opportunity exists. To attribute crime with Democratic leadership or more gun control with the crime rate is about the most foolish statement that I could expect to see on an LLM site.

The other important point of my post was that sometimes that sometimes a potential cost savings is more than offset by increased time to get to campus. Some people have never been to the US and don't know what it is really like in some areas.


These are graduate students applying, not 18 year old high school kids. Everyone knows the benefits of living in close proximity and this is not a problem peculiar to the U.S.

One thing people need to understand about American police. The can't really do anything UNTIL a crime has been committed. At best the hope is that by seeing police in uniform it will be a deterrent to crime. The stricter the gun control laws are in a city, the more the criminals know the average person will be unarmed.


Leaving aside your nonsensical gun control argument can you provide an example of a police force that does something differently?

I do not claim to have lived in the U.S. for more than 7 months but I find the policing quite good, police presence quite visible and unless one were to live in some of the real ghettos of NY (which nobody is advocating) there is little to fear.

<blockquote>I've spent quite a bit of time in NYC. The company where I work has a major office there. I have friends who live and work in the city and have lived their all their lives.

It is OBVIOUS the city doesn't feel near as safe since DeBlasio became mayor. I hope you are smart enough to know that statistics don't tell all the story. There is a very good idiom. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." Giulani got the city on the right path. </blockquote>

On what basis do you make such sweeping assessments? Giuliani was mayor from 1994 to 2001. Have you been living in NYC since the late 80s / early 90s?

Except for a canned response to my statistics - which even the Economist quotes in support of a safer NYC today, you don't seem to have anything else to say.

I keep an eye on any news relating to crime since as a foreign student it is important to me. Nearly all sources of published opinion and information seem to suggest that NYC today is safer than it has ever been. Chicago is a different story.

<blockquote>DeBlasio unwound a lot of that progress in short order. It is quite interesting to note that generally the most dangerous citis in the US are in the control of "Democrats" with Chicago being an excellent example of that. Tightest gun control there but also some of the worst crime. Whether you like it or not from a civil rights point of view, the "stop and frisk" that the police did before DeBlasio through it out had an effect on reducing crime. </blockquote>

This is simplistic and naive. Big cities in the U.S. have traditionally voted Democratic because of their liberal values - just as rural areas tend to vote Republican. Big cities also, obviously, attract more crime simply because more opportunity exists. To attribute crime with Democratic leadership or more gun control with the crime rate is about the most foolish statement that I could expect to see on an LLM site.

<blockquote>The other important point of my post was that sometimes that sometimes a potential cost savings is more than offset by increased time to get to campus. Some people have never been to the US and don't know what it is really like in some areas. </blockquote>

These are graduate students applying, not 18 year old high school kids. Everyone knows the benefits of living in close proximity and this is not a problem peculiar to the U.S.

<blockquote>One thing people need to understand about American police. The can't really do anything UNTIL a crime has been committed. At best the hope is that by seeing police in uniform it will be a deterrent to crime. The stricter the gun control laws are in a city, the more the criminals know the average person will be unarmed. </blockquote>

Leaving aside your nonsensical gun control argument can you provide an example of a police force that does something differently?

I do not claim to have lived in the U.S. for more than 7 months but I find the policing quite good, police presence quite visible and unless one were to live in some of the real ghettos of NY (which nobody is advocating) there is little to fear.
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Wavshrdr

Don't have much time to waste debating stuff that is irrelevant to me at this point. Believe what you want. Most of the most dangerous cities are typically in the control of Democrats. They also have usually the strictest gun control laws. Also unless people have been to NYC, they can't understand how bad traffic can be so location can really matter. Not to mention some of the unsavory people you see on public transport. I've seen men openly pleasuring themselves on the buses and trains. Can't recall seeing that in Europe anywhere...

Look here for the FBI statistics. Bad things don't only happen in the "ghetto".

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/22/violent-crime-statistics-for-every-city-in-america/

For those who want to know more detailed info about where they plan on moving. Go to city-data.com and look for the US forums. Decide for yourself what I say is true or not.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/#u-s-forums

There you can post questions about the general neighborhoods you are considering living in. Are they safe? Good restaurants? How is public transport etc.

My experience with NYC is just that, mine. I have also related info that my friends who lived in NYC have related to me. They've lived all their lives there; from 30-50 years old. One was a special investigator for the FBI when he got out of NYU, was a prosecutor and now in private practice. He has 50 years of living in NYC and has good insight into all types of crime in NYC. He was also very actively involved in investigating the presence of foreign mafia in NYC. I'd say he is a source I'll believe of IMNC.

As for NYC, look for the unsafe areas here. You need to know the Boroughs. NYU and Columbia are in Manhattan. The areas are NYU are generally much safer than around Columbia. Look for Manhattan in the link below.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1512972-nyc-safety-maps.html

In general people who live in NYC don't think things are better under the current Mayor. Even those who have the same political party affiliation as Mayor De Blasio.

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/08/8573572/poll-voters-concerned-crime-trends-under-de-blasio

Under current stats for last year, overall crime is down BUT the crime that will matter to a lot of people is up.

"Murder, which has a four and one half percent increase, rape which was up about six percent, and robbery which is up, about two percent," said Dermot Shea, Deputy Commissioner, Operations."

Here is a map made with the "official" data for crime. Keep in mind all crime is not reported or sometimes the police make it more difficult than it should be to have anything done.

http://iquantny.tumblr.com/post/136641945194/your-neighborhoods-crime-rank-insights-from-the

Anyway good luck to everyone. Do the research on the area you plan on living. I gave you some great resources to research.

Don't have much time to waste debating stuff that is irrelevant to me at this point. Believe what you want. Most of the most dangerous cities are typically in the control of Democrats. They also have usually the strictest gun control laws. Also unless people have been to NYC, they can't understand how bad traffic can be so location can really matter. Not to mention some of the unsavory people you see on public transport. I've seen men openly pleasuring themselves on the buses and trains. Can't recall seeing that in Europe anywhere...

Look here for the FBI statistics. Bad things don't only happen in the "ghetto".

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/22/violent-crime-statistics-for-every-city-in-america/

For those who want to know more detailed info about where they plan on moving. Go to city-data.com and look for the US forums. Decide for yourself what I say is true or not.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/#u-s-forums

There you can post questions about the general neighborhoods you are considering living in. Are they safe? Good restaurants? How is public transport etc.

My experience with NYC is just that, mine. I have also related info that my friends who lived in NYC have related to me. They've lived all their lives there; from 30-50 years old. One was a special investigator for the FBI when he got out of NYU, was a prosecutor and now in private practice. He has 50 years of living in NYC and has good insight into all types of crime in NYC. He was also very actively involved in investigating the presence of foreign mafia in NYC. I'd say he is a source I'll believe of IMNC.

As for NYC, look for the unsafe areas here. You need to know the Boroughs. NYU and Columbia are in Manhattan. The areas are NYU are generally much safer than around Columbia. Look for Manhattan in the link below.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1512972-nyc-safety-maps.html

In general people who live in NYC don't think things are better under the current Mayor. Even those who have the same political party affiliation as Mayor De Blasio.

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/08/8573572/poll-voters-concerned-crime-trends-under-de-blasio

Under current stats for last year, overall crime is down BUT the crime that will matter to a lot of people is up.

"Murder, which has a four and one half percent increase, rape which was up about six percent, and robbery which is up, about two percent," said Dermot Shea, Deputy Commissioner, Operations."

Here is a map made with the "official" data for crime. Keep in mind all crime is not reported or sometimes the police make it more difficult than it should be to have anything done.

http://iquantny.tumblr.com/post/136641945194/your-neighborhoods-crime-rank-insights-from-the

Anyway good luck to everyone. Do the research on the area you plan on living. I gave you some great resources to research.
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imnc

After reading your reply I am convinced that either you have no idea what you are talking about or you are deliberately trolling around here.

The issue that You raised was about the crime / safety in NYC. By your own admission you personally have no experience of decades of living here yet you pass off others opinions as your own. On top of that you introduce this 'Democrat / gun control' argument which makes no sense.

New York is a big city of 8 million plus people and yes there is crime in any big city. But it's a LOT safer than big cities in the U.S. like Chicago, L.A., S.F., Atlanta, Dallas, or D.C. . As far as cities with top law schools go its far ahead in safety than Chicago, Boston, Berkely or New Haven.

Your post is especially ridiculous because law and order in New York is at its best ever - according to statistics, TV shows and newspaper stories (not me!). You can't find any criticism of NY's crime rate if you search for it literally. Nor can you find men 'pleasuring themselves' anywhere except in your imagination. I also see that lacking any data to make your foolish assertions you're falling back on 'not all crime is reported' and 'police make it difficult' mumbo-jumbo.

I do not advise that applicants choose law schools based on crime rate - but if they do take it into consideration New York is the least of their worries.

So stop spouting rubbish on this forum.

After reading your reply I am convinced that either you have no idea what you are talking about or you are deliberately trolling around here.

The issue that You raised was about the crime / safety in NYC. By your own admission you personally have no experience of decades of living here yet you pass off others opinions as your own. On top of that you introduce this 'Democrat / gun control' argument which makes no sense.

New York is a big city of 8 million plus people and yes there is crime in any big city. But it's a LOT safer than big cities in the U.S. like Chicago, L.A., S.F., Atlanta, Dallas, or D.C. . As far as cities with top law schools go its far ahead in safety than Chicago, Boston, Berkely or New Haven.

Your post is especially ridiculous because law and order in New York is at its best ever - according to statistics, TV shows and newspaper stories (not me!). You can't find any criticism of NY's crime rate if you search for it literally. Nor can you find men 'pleasuring themselves' anywhere except in your imagination. I also see that lacking any data to make your foolish assertions you're falling back on 'not all crime is reported' and 'police make it difficult' mumbo-jumbo.

I do not advise that applicants choose law schools based on crime rate - but if they do take it into consideration New York is the least of their worries.

So stop spouting rubbish on this forum.
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NYAssoc

anybody looking for housing - I am subletting my apartment which has 2 bd/ 2 bath - very ideal for sharing. I work in the city but have to move elsewhere. leave me a message if you're interested.

anybody looking for housing - I am subletting my apartment which has 2 bd/ 2 bath - very ideal for sharing. I work in the city but have to move elsewhere. leave me a message if you're interested.
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