Berkeley versus UVA versus Cornell versus Duke


candyman
What do you think about these alternatives ? I am interested in corporate law and business law
What do you think about these alternatives ? I am interested in corporate law and business law
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c.ronaldo
UVA. It has got a very nice corporate law and business law programm in cooperation with dardon school of business. Berkeley and Duke are great, too.
But Charlottesville is one of the best places to live in the US. Life quality there is top. Another benefit is that UVA is relatively close to Washington D.C., Philadelphia and NYC. You can travel relatively easy.

Cornell is the only ivy, you mentioned. It would also be a safe bet. But in Cornell, you will have loooooooong winters. That would make me depressed. ;) But I would not disregard the ivy league brand.

Berkeley is fine in IP and even to UVA in corporate law. My thesis advisor (Yale alumnus) told me that the approach in UVA is less theoretical than at berkeley. I believe that UVA offers better possibilities to take the bar exam. California bar is considered as heavy. And seeking employment in california is more difficult than at the east coast. Classes at UVA are small and you can easy talk to the faculty staff.

Basically, you throw a dice, because all of your alternatives are great. However, IMHO life quality in Charlottesville is unmatched.
UVA. It has got a very nice corporate law and business law programm in cooperation with dardon school of business. Berkeley and Duke are great, too.
But Charlottesville is one of the best places to live in the US. Life quality there is top. Another benefit is that UVA is relatively close to Washington D.C., Philadelphia and NYC. You can travel relatively easy.

Cornell is the only ivy, you mentioned. It would also be a safe bet. But in Cornell, you will have loooooooong winters. That would make me depressed. ;) But I would not disregard the ivy league brand.

Berkeley is fine in IP and even to UVA in corporate law. My thesis advisor (Yale alumnus) told me that the approach in UVA is less theoretical than at berkeley. I believe that UVA offers better possibilities to take the bar exam. California bar is considered as heavy. And seeking employment in california is more difficult than at the east coast. Classes at UVA are small and you can easy talk to the faculty staff.

Basically, you throw a dice, because all of your alternatives are great. However, IMHO life quality in Charlottesville is unmatched.
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candyman
UVA. It has got a very nice corporate law and business law programm in cooperation with dardon school of business. Berkeley and Duke are great, too.
But Charlottesville is one of the best places to live in the US. Life quality there is top. Another benefit is that UVA is relatively close to Washington D.C., Philadelphia and NYC. You can travel relatively easy.

Cornell is the only ivy, you mentioned. It would also be a safe bet. But in Cornell, you will have loooooooong winters. That would make me depressed. ;) But I would not disregard the ivy league brand.

Berkeley is fine in IP and even to UVA in corporate law. My thesis advisor (Yale alumnus) told me that the approach in UVA is less theoretical than at berkeley. I believe that UVA offers better possibilities to take the bar exam. California bar is considered as heavy. And seeking employment in california is more difficult than at the east coast. Classes at UVA are small and you can easy talk to the faculty staff.

Basically, you throw a dice, because all of your alternatives are great.


thank you. However I think I will came back in Europe after my LLM and maybe Berkeley is a more prestigious name to sell than UVA...
I know that UVA has a great Corporate and business law program, maybe better than Berkeley, but I'm wondering who knows UVA in Europe?
<blockquote>UVA. It has got a very nice corporate law and business law programm in cooperation with dardon school of business. Berkeley and Duke are great, too.
But Charlottesville is one of the best places to live in the US. Life quality there is top. Another benefit is that UVA is relatively close to Washington D.C., Philadelphia and NYC. You can travel relatively easy.

Cornell is the only ivy, you mentioned. It would also be a safe bet. But in Cornell, you will have loooooooong winters. That would make me depressed. ;) But I would not disregard the ivy league brand.

Berkeley is fine in IP and even to UVA in corporate law. My thesis advisor (Yale alumnus) told me that the approach in UVA is less theoretical than at berkeley. I believe that UVA offers better possibilities to take the bar exam. California bar is considered as heavy. And seeking employment in california is more difficult than at the east coast. Classes at UVA are small and you can easy talk to the faculty staff.

Basically, you throw a dice, because all of your alternatives are great.</blockquote>

thank you. However I think I will came back in Europe after my LLM and maybe Berkeley is a more prestigious name to sell than UVA...
I know that UVA has a great Corporate and business law program, maybe better than Berkeley, but I'm wondering who knows UVA in Europe?
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c.ronaldo
hmm... I am from europe, too. all four of your alternatives are world-renowned. but do also consider cornell's ivy league brand! even if it's not measured perfectly in these rankings: http://www.llm-guide.com/law-school-rankings

what about scholarships?

If it comes down to the choice berkeley vs. UVA and if you are heavily relying upon rankings, then the following situation is given:

berkeley (6) has got a better ranking in http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings than uva (10). but the scores are similar (berkeley 84, uva 80). however, median salary at uva is significant better than at berkeley:
http://www.ilrg.com/schools/salary/

PS: I know several partners of magic circle law firmes, who are graduates from berkeley, uva and cornell. i know less partners, who graduated at duke. but it does not make duke a bad choice!
hmm... I am from europe, too. all four of your alternatives are world-renowned. but do also consider cornell's ivy league brand! even if it's not measured perfectly in these rankings: http://www.llm-guide.com/law-school-rankings

what about scholarships?

If it comes down to the choice berkeley vs. UVA and if you are heavily relying upon rankings, then the following situation is given:

berkeley (6) has got a better ranking in http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings than uva (10). but the scores are similar (berkeley 84, uva 80). however, median salary at uva is significant better than at berkeley:
http://www.ilrg.com/schools/salary/

PS: I know several partners of magic circle law firmes, who are graduates from berkeley, uva and cornell. i know less partners, who graduated at duke. but it does not make duke a bad choice!
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LSR
hmm... I am from europe, too. all four of your alternatives are world-renowned.
what about scholarships?

If it comes down to the choice berkeley vs. UVA and if you are heavily relying upon rankings, then the following situation is given:

berkeley (6) has got a better ranking in http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings than uva (10). but the scores are similar (berkeley 84, uva 80). however, median salary at uva is significant better than at berkeley:
http://www.ilrg.com/schools/salary/

In my personal experience, Berkeley is way more prestigious than UVA in Europe.
People in general reacted totally differently and way more enthusiastically when I told them about being admitted to Berkeley compared to other schools (including UVA).
<blockquote>hmm... I am from europe, too. all four of your alternatives are world-renowned.
what about scholarships?

If it comes down to the choice berkeley vs. UVA and if you are heavily relying upon rankings, then the following situation is given:

berkeley (6) has got a better ranking in http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings than uva (10). but the scores are similar (berkeley 84, uva 80). however, median salary at uva is significant better than at berkeley:
http://www.ilrg.com/schools/salary/</blockquote>
In my personal experience, Berkeley is way more prestigious than UVA in Europe.
People in general reacted totally differently and way more enthusiastically when I told them about being admitted to Berkeley compared to other schools (including UVA).
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c.ronaldo
well, maybe, the prestige differs across countries in europe. i would consider these four alternatives more or less as equaly - depending of course from your individual preferences. i think, you should also think about several factors:
- scholarship
- tuition
- class size
- offered courses during the next academic year
- your specialization
- faculty/student-ratio
- housing
- living quality
- living costs
(-possibilities to take the bar exam)


hope, that helps.
well, maybe, the prestige differs across countries in europe. i would consider these four alternatives more or less as equaly - depending of course from your individual preferences. i think, you should also think about several factors:
- scholarship
- tuition
- class size
- offered courses during the next academic year
- your specialization
- faculty/student-ratio
- housing
- living quality
- living costs
(-possibilities to take the bar exam)


hope, that helps.
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candyman
well, maybe, the prestige differs across countries in europe. i would consider these four alternatives more or less as equaly - depending of course from your individual preferences. i think, you should think about several factors:
- scholarship
- tuition
- class size
- faculty/student-ratio
- housing
- living quality
- living costs
(-possibilities to take the bar exam)

hope, that helps.


good point, so
- class size
- faculty/student-ratio
- housing
- living quality
- living costs
I would say Duke, UVA or maybe Cornell (student/faculty ratio) over Berkeley.
Only USC gave me a scholarship, so...
<blockquote>well, maybe, the prestige differs across countries in europe. i would consider these four alternatives more or less as equaly - depending of course from your individual preferences. i think, you should think about several factors:
- scholarship
- tuition
- class size
- faculty/student-ratio
- housing
- living quality
- living costs
(-possibilities to take the bar exam)

hope, that helps.</blockquote>

good point, so
- class size
- faculty/student-ratio
- housing
- living quality
- living costs
I would say Duke, UVA or maybe Cornell (student/faculty ratio) over Berkeley.
Only USC gave me a scholarship, so...
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c.ronaldo
how much scholarship?

ps: I edited my last posting and added some decision criteria. hope that helps for your decision-making.
how much scholarship?

ps: I edited my last posting and added some decision criteria. hope that helps for your decision-making.
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candyman
how much scholarship?

ps: I edited my last posting and added some decision criteria. hope that helps for your decision-making.


20.000
<blockquote>how much scholarship?

ps: I edited my last posting and added some decision criteria. hope that helps for your decision-making.</blockquote>

20.000
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c.ronaldo
hmmm..... very tough choice. I would be very tempted by the scholarship. USC is a nice law school, too. It is a benefit to your CV, if you're enrolling with scholarship.

Basically, you can draw lots or roll the dice.

Congratulations!
hmmm..... very tough choice. I would be very tempted by the scholarship. USC is a nice law school, too. It is a benefit to your CV, if you're enrolling with scholarship.

Basically, you can draw lots or roll the dice.

Congratulations!
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Definitely Berkeley if you want to come back to Europe. It has a much bigger name and Cornell's Ivy League status if often forgotten (unlike Harvard's, Yale's, Columbia's and Georgetown's). As for UVA, vas ist das?
Definitely Berkeley if you want to come back to Europe. It has a much bigger name and Cornell's Ivy League status if often forgotten (unlike Harvard's, Yale's, Columbia's and Georgetown's). As for UVA, vas ist das?
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Qjung
Berkley!!
Berkley!!
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Fritz
I would take cornell because its ivy league.
I would take cornell because its ivy league.
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candyman
hmmm..... very tough choice. I would be very tempted by the scholarship. USC is a nice law school, too. It is a benefit to your CV, if you're enrolling with scholarship.

Basically, you can draw lots or roll the dice.

Congratulations!


Why the scholarship would be a benefit to my CV?
It's clear (at least I always thought in that way) that Berkeley can use only his reputation (a name well known all around the world) to appeal students, instead USC needs to offer something more (like a scholarship).
Am I wrong?
<blockquote>hmmm..... very tough choice. I would be very tempted by the scholarship. USC is a nice law school, too. It is a benefit to your CV, if you're enrolling with scholarship.

Basically, you can draw lots or roll the dice.

Congratulations!</blockquote>

Why the scholarship would be a benefit to my CV?
It's clear (at least I always thought in that way) that Berkeley can use only his reputation (a name well known all around the world) to appeal students, instead USC needs to offer something more (like a scholarship).
Am I wrong?
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Fritz
I think, you are partially right. however, I would take the $20'000, because it's a lot of money (and the LL.M. is expensive enough).... but you should also consider that the scholarship is a award and makes you more special as a candidate. Moreover, I see many professors at our faculty, who list scholarships in their CV. It's something like a prize or magna/summa cum laude distinction.
I think, you are partially right. however, I would take the $20'000, because it's a lot of money (and the LL.M. is expensive enough).... but you should also consider that the scholarship is a award and makes you more special as a candidate. Moreover, I see many professors at our faculty, who list scholarships in their CV. It's something like a prize or magna/summa cum laude distinction.
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