Berkeley full price or UCLA with scholarship ?


Meli
Hi everyone,
I am a French-Canadian law student and I have been admitted to UCLA (with a 30k scholarship) and Berkeley (with no scholarship). My law interests are international/comparative/human rights law. I know that Berkeley's ranking is better than UCLA, however I am wondering if the 30k price difference is really worth it... My objective is not necessarily to stay in the US after, but mainly to have a international/renown LLM degree and to research about migration and human trafficking/forced labour during my LLM. Both programs seem to have great clinics/courses about this topic, so I am wondering if there is really a plus-value in terms of recognition or employability by going to Berkeley at full price instead of UCLA with a scholarship.

Thank you !!

[Edited by Meli on Mar 10, 2018]

Hi everyone,
I am a French-Canadian law student and I have been admitted to UCLA (with a 30k scholarship) and Berkeley (with no scholarship). My law interests are international/comparative/human rights law. I know that Berkeley's ranking is better than UCLA, however I am wondering if the 30k price difference is really worth it... My objective is not necessarily to stay in the US after, but mainly to have a international/renown LLM degree and to research about migration and human trafficking/forced labour during my LLM. Both programs seem to have great clinics/courses about this topic, so I am wondering if there is really a plus-value in terms of recognition or employability by going to Berkeley at full price instead of UCLA with a scholarship.

Thank you !!
quote
blink182
Both are big names. Take a look at the strength of the faculty at both schools and how supportive they'll be of you. Who has the best profs in trafficking and labours law? Also, look at the strengths of the career resources too.
Both are big names. Take a look at the strength of the faculty at both schools and how supportive they'll be of you. Who has the best profs in trafficking and labours law? Also, look at the strengths of the career resources too.
quote
PeddyKa
Same
Problem here!
Same
Problem here!
quote
A$AP Legal
I agree with blink182. From my perception UCLA has a stronger academic profile in human rights etc which might also apply to your particular interests.

My feeling is also that the difference in rankings is definitely not worth a 30k price difference. UCLA is definitely an internationally renown law school that has recently gained momentum climbing the ranking ladder. Thus, the supposed gap appears to be narrowing down.
I agree with blink182. From my perception UCLA has a stronger academic profile in human rights etc which might also apply to your particular interests.

My feeling is also that the difference in rankings is definitely not worth a 30k price difference. UCLA is definitely an internationally renown law school that has recently gained momentum climbing the ranking ladder. Thus, the supposed gap appears to be narrowing down.
quote
yentl_582
I agree - the difference in ranking is not worth 30k. UCLA and Berkeley are not very far apart in terms of standing. Think about it this way: it'll be 30k less that you'll have to worry about after your LLM, when you start working.
I agree - the difference in ranking is not worth 30k. UCLA and Berkeley are not very far apart in terms of standing. Think about it this way: it'll be 30k less that you'll have to worry about after your LLM, when you start working.
quote
Meli
Thank you guys !! your insights are very helpful
Thank you guys !! your insights are very helpful
quote
A$AP Legal
Exactly, putting money into perspective makes sense at this point. 30k roughly equals the price tag for the basic version of a Tesla 3 (might work as a unit of account in California).
Exactly, putting money into perspective makes sense at this point. 30k roughly equals the price tag for the basic version of a Tesla 3 (might work as a unit of account in California).
quote
[Super-cynic ON] Always remember that everyone here might have an incentive to persuade you to choose a lower-ranked law school, either to make space for themselves, or to make themselves feel better about their choicea and acceptances/rejections.

[Super-cynic OFF] Yeah, I'd probably take UCLA on a 30k. It's close though, and I'd surely choose Berkeley if the difference was less (like 15k).
[Super-cynic ON] Always remember that everyone here might have an incentive to persuade you to choose a lower-ranked law school, either to make space for themselves, or to make themselves feel better about their choicea and acceptances/rejections.

[Super-cynic OFF] Yeah, I'd probably take UCLA on a 30k. It's close though, and I'd surely choose Berkeley if the difference was less (like 15k).
quote
bruneta
Hi everyone,

I am a French law student and I have been admitted to UCLA with a $20 000 financial aid and Berkeley, with no scholarship.

My law interests are business/corporate/commercial law. I read all your replies regarding last year's post, but allowed myself to post mine as it is not the same subject and that you might have some more info!

My goal is to be able to work in the US afterwards, I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the choice of school, but thought I should share!

Thank you for your replies!
Hi everyone,

I am a French law student and I have been admitted to UCLA with a $20 000 financial aid and Berkeley, with no scholarship.

My law interests are business/corporate/commercial law. I read all your replies regarding last year's post, but allowed myself to post mine as it is not the same subject and that you might have some more info!

My goal is to be able to work in the US afterwards, I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the choice of school, but thought I should share!

Thank you for your replies!
quote
yodra
Chose the best, not the cheapest.
Chose the best, not the cheapest.
quote
Louis Litt
Hi everyone,

I am a French law student and I have been admitted to UCLA with a $20 000 financial aid and Berkeley, with no scholarship.

My law interests are business/corporate/commercial law. I read all your replies regarding last year's post, but allowed myself to post mine as it is not the same subject and that you might have some more info!

My goal is to be able to work in the US afterwards, I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the choice of school, but thought I should share!

Thank you for your replies!


Generally Berkley is far better than UCLA (Berkley is 9 in USNWR and 19 in THE, UCLA is 16 in USNWR and 21 in THE). Both universities will allow you to work in the USA (NY and CA) if you satisfy the requirements of a particular state's bar.
Taking into account that your plan is to practice in the USA, i would recommend you to choose Berkley, as it has far greater reputation in USA. LLM graduates are disadvantaged in comparison to JDs, and US law firm prefer to employ JD, not LLM graduate. Therefore you need to enhance you chance of employment as far as possible (generally law schools outside T14 are not considered to be nationally transferable in the USA). In such circumstances I would certainly choose Berkley. But if you plan to be employed in CA specifically, UCLA may be good option also(especially if your resources are scares), but I definitely encourage you to choose Berkley.

[Edited by Louis Litt on Mar 08, 2019]

[quote]Hi everyone,

I am a French law student and I have been admitted to UCLA with a $20 000 financial aid and Berkeley, with no scholarship.

My law interests are business/corporate/commercial law. I read all your replies regarding last year's post, but allowed myself to post mine as it is not the same subject and that you might have some more info!

My goal is to be able to work in the US afterwards, I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the choice of school, but thought I should share!

Thank you for your replies![/quote]

Generally Berkley is far better than UCLA (Berkley is 9 in USNWR and 19 in THE, UCLA is 16 in USNWR and 21 in THE). Both universities will allow you to work in the USA (NY and CA) if you satisfy the requirements of a particular state's bar.
Taking into account that your plan is to practice in the USA, i would recommend you to choose Berkley, as it has far greater reputation in USA. LLM graduates are disadvantaged in comparison to JDs, and US law firm prefer to employ JD, not LLM graduate. Therefore you need to enhance you chance of employment as far as possible (generally law schools outside T14 are not considered to be nationally transferable in the USA). In such circumstances I would certainly choose Berkley. But if you plan to be employed in CA specifically, UCLA may be good option also(especially if your resources are scares), but I definitely encourage you to choose Berkley.
quote
charlielim
Hi everyone,
I am a French-Canadian law student and I have been admitted to UCLA (with a 30k scholarship) and Berkeley (with no scholarship). My law interests are international/comparative/human rights law. I know that Berkeley's ranking is better than UCLA, however I am wondering if the 30k price difference is really worth it... My objective is not necessarily to stay in the US after, but mainly to have a international/renown LLM degree and to research about migration and human trafficking/forced labour during my LLM. Both programs seem to have great clinics/courses about this topic, so I am wondering if there is really a plus-value in terms of recognition or employability by going to Berkeley at full price instead of UCLA with a scholarship.

Thank you !!


I had a professor who studied human rights and gender theory at UCLA and he's one of the best professors in our law school. He also published an article in Harvard Journal of Law and Gender while studying for his LLM at UCLA.
[quote]Hi everyone,
I am a French-Canadian law student and I have been admitted to UCLA (with a 30k scholarship) and Berkeley (with no scholarship). My law interests are international/comparative/human rights law. I know that Berkeley's ranking is better than UCLA, however I am wondering if the 30k price difference is really worth it... My objective is not necessarily to stay in the US after, but mainly to have a international/renown LLM degree and to research about migration and human trafficking/forced labour during my LLM. Both programs seem to have great clinics/courses about this topic, so I am wondering if there is really a plus-value in terms of recognition or employability by going to Berkeley at full price instead of UCLA with a scholarship.

Thank you !![/quote]

I had a professor who studied human rights and gender theory at UCLA and he's one of the best professors in our law school. He also published an article in Harvard Journal of Law and Gender while studying for his LLM at UCLA.
quote
Caro74
I have the same issue with same schools/scholarship and similar legal interest. But I also got accepted to NYU (so far no scholarship) and Georgetown (with a smaller scholarship for Georgetown). The housing cost is so high in Berkeley that you have to factor that in on top of the absence of scholarship. I live in NYC and have the NY and GA bars so for me cost is major.
I have the same issue with same schools/scholarship and similar legal interest. But I also got accepted to NYU (so far no scholarship) and Georgetown (with a smaller scholarship for Georgetown). The housing cost is so high in Berkeley that you have to factor that in on top of the absence of scholarship. I live in NYC and have the NY and GA bars so for me cost is major.
quote
bruneta
Hi everyone,

I am a French law student and I have been admitted to UCLA with a $20 000 financial aid and Berkeley, with no scholarship.

My law interests are business/corporate/commercial law. I read all your replies regarding last year's post, but allowed myself to post mine as it is not the same subject and that you might have some more info!

My goal is to be able to work in the US afterwards, I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the choice of school, but thought I should share!

Thank you for your replies!


Generally Berkley is far better than UCLA (Berkley is 9 in USNWR and 19 in THE, UCLA is 16 in USNWR and 21 in THE). Both universities will allow you to work in the USA (NY and CA) if you satisfy the requirements of a particular state's bar.
Taking into account that your plan is to practice in the USA, i would recommend you to choose Berkley, as it has far greater reputation in USA. LLM graduates are disadvantaged in comparison to JDs, and US law firm prefer to employ JD, not LLM graduate. Therefore you need to enhance you chance of employment as far as possible (generally law schools outside T14 are not considered to be nationally transferable in the USA). In such circumstances I would certainly choose Berkley. But if you plan to be employed in CA specifically, UCLA may be good option also(especially if your resources are scares), but I definitely encourage you to choose Berkley.



Thank you very much for your reply @LouisLitt! I am waiting for Berkeley to get back to me regarding a possible scholarship as well and also the possibility to transfer to the JD program.

Anyway, thanks for your info!
[quote][quote]Hi everyone,

I am a French law student and I have been admitted to UCLA with a $20 000 financial aid and Berkeley, with no scholarship.

My law interests are business/corporate/commercial law. I read all your replies regarding last year's post, but allowed myself to post mine as it is not the same subject and that you might have some more info!

My goal is to be able to work in the US afterwards, I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the choice of school, but thought I should share!

Thank you for your replies![/quote]

Generally Berkley is far better than UCLA (Berkley is 9 in USNWR and 19 in THE, UCLA is 16 in USNWR and 21 in THE). Both universities will allow you to work in the USA (NY and CA) if you satisfy the requirements of a particular state's bar.
Taking into account that your plan is to practice in the USA, i would recommend you to choose Berkley, as it has far greater reputation in USA. LLM graduates are disadvantaged in comparison to JDs, and US law firm prefer to employ JD, not LLM graduate. Therefore you need to enhance you chance of employment as far as possible (generally law schools outside T14 are not considered to be nationally transferable in the USA). In such circumstances I would certainly choose Berkley. But if you plan to be employed in CA specifically, UCLA may be good option also(especially if your resources are scares), but I definitely encourage you to choose Berkley. [/quote]


Thank you very much for your reply @LouisLitt! I am waiting for Berkeley to get back to me regarding a possible scholarship as well and also the possibility to transfer to the JD program.

Anyway, thanks for your info!
quote
SEAZM
Berkeley's website says that LLM student can't transfer to its JD program (unlike UCLA but then I heard that's exceedingly difficult anyway). Of course you can apply as usual.




I am waiting for Berkeley to get back to me regarding a possible scholarship as well and also the possibility to transfer to the JD program.

[Edited by SEAZM on Mar 15, 2019]

Berkeley's website says that LLM student can't transfer to its JD program (unlike UCLA but then I heard that's exceedingly difficult anyway). Of course you can apply as usual.


[quote][quote][quote]

I am waiting for Berkeley to get back to me regarding a possible scholarship as well and also the possibility to transfer to the JD program.

[/quote]
quote

Reply to Post

Related Law Schools

Berkeley, California 1054 Followers 538 Discussions
Los Angeles, California 602 Followers 311 Discussions

Related Articles

How to Get an LL.M. Scholarship

Jul 24, 2018

In-school and external scholarships for LL.M. students

More Articles

Hot Discussions