Applications 2011-2012


lolita10

Good afternoon,
I just applied to Georgetown, Duke and NYU.
I registered with LSAC and got an above average mark. My Toefl score is 97 overall with 27 in the reading section, 22 in listening section, 24 speaking, 24 writing section. I dont think I have time to take the toefl again based on your experience do you thing I have chance of been accepted?
I appreciate your comments.

Good afternoon,
I just applied to Georgetown, Duke and NYU.
I registered with LSAC and got an above average mark. My Toefl score is 97 overall with 27 in the reading section, 22 in listening section, 24 speaking, 24 writing section. I don’t think I have time to take the toefl again… based on your experience do you thing I have chance of been accepted?
I appreciate your comments.
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ircheto

Do you have any extra-curriculum activities (moot courts, competitions, awards, publications)? Do you have professional experience?
I think the country you come from also matters.

I still haven't applied. I guess I'm waiting for the last moment.

Do you have any extra-curriculum activities (moot courts, competitions, awards, publications)? Do you have professional experience?
I think the country you come from also matters.

I still haven't applied. I guess I'm waiting for the last moment.
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lolita10

Well, I have moreless 4 years of professional expierence...no publication, no awards...
why are you waiting for the last minute its better that way?
thanks for your post..ohh I`m from Panama City, Panama.

Well, I have moreless 4 years of professional expierence...no publication, no awards...
why are you waiting for the last minute its better that way?
thanks for your post..ohh I`m from Panama City, Panama.
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ircheto

I'm just not ready with the applications. And I am more interested in UK universities where you can apply later.
Good luck to you. Let us know of the results

I'm just not ready with the applications. And I am more interested in UK universities where you can apply later.
Good luck to you. Let us know of the results
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SKR

I would advise asking the Uni Office for a waiver.
I have 6+ years of post qualification experience + I come from an English education system and have been asking for TOEFL waivers - with some success.

I, too, intend to apply for 2011-2012

I would advise asking the Uni Office for a waiver.
I have 6+ years of post qualification experience + I come from an English education system and have been asking for TOEFL waivers - with some success.

I, too, intend to apply for 2011-2012
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ircheto

Yes, it would be wise to ask for a waiver. I have 114 at Toefl (30 reading, 29 listening, 28 speaking, 27 writing) and I am not satisfied with it. But in my case at least it covers the requirements

Yes, it would be wise to ask for a waiver. I have 114 at Toefl (30 reading, 29 listening, 28 speaking, 27 writing) and I am not satisfied with it. But in my case at least it covers the requirements
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lolita10

I schedule another toefl test for the 30th of this month. As I said before I´ve alredy apply to three schools. Do you think its possible for me to send my new scores to them of course if I get a better score...Do you think is possible?

I schedule another toefl test for the 30th of this month. As I said before I´ve alredy apply to three schools. Do you think its possible for me to send my new scores to them of course if I get a better score...Do you think is possible?
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MAB79

Well, believe me...I would not think too much about the TOEFL score. Even at NYU where they explicitly state that they have no flexible rules, they have (I know many ppl who are there without having 100pts).

No school will decline you when they think your application is worth it, but your scored only 97 instead of 100 or 105.

Well, believe me...I would not think too much about the TOEFL score. Even at NYU where they explicitly state that they have no flexible rules, they have (I know many ppl who are there without having 100pts).

No school will decline you when they think your application is worth it, but your scored only 97 instead of 100 or 105.

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MAB79

I schedule another toefl test for the 30th of this month. As I said before I´ve alredy apply to three schools. Do you think its possible for me to send my new scores to them of course if I get a better score...Do you think is possible?


It is, definetly

<blockquote>I schedule another toefl test for the 30th of this month. As I said before I´ve alredy apply to three schools. Do you think its possible for me to send my new scores to them of course if I get a better score...Do you think is possible?</blockquote>

It is, definetly
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lolita10

thanks for the info! hopefully I´ll get in!!

thanks for the info! hopefully I´ll get in!!
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MAB79

Btw: If you received an above average from the LSATC, why did you apply "only" to NYU, Goergetown and Duke? With that score you usually can get into the Ivy League or Stanford etc.

Btw: If you received an above average from the LSATC, why did you apply "only" to NYU, Goergetown and Duke? With that score you usually can get into the Ivy League or Stanford etc.
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lolita10

Thaks for all your posts..Well actually I did´nt know I have the qualifications.. I haven´t written any papers and my toefl score is below the required... In the other hand is good to hear I can apply to ivy league schools..you think I have a chance in getting into HLS?

Thaks for all your posts..Well actually I did´nt know I have the qualifications.. I haven´t written any papers and my toefl score is below the required... In the other hand is good to hear I can apply to ivy league schools..you think I have a chance in getting into HLS?
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dbk

Above average does not really mean that you won't be admitted at CLS/HLS. In fact, contrary to "Superior", "Above average" covers a very broad spectrum.

For instance, one can graduate cum laude, or even magna cum laude, and still be considered as "Above average" by the LSAC. So Harvard won't dismiss your app for an "Above average", but you'll still need very good credentials to be admitted.

Above average does not really mean that you won't be admitted at CLS/HLS. In fact, contrary to "Superior", "Above average" covers a very broad spectrum.

For instance, one can graduate cum laude, or even magna cum laude, and still be considered as "Above average" by the LSAC. So Harvard won't dismiss your app for an "Above average", but you'll still need very good credentials to be admitted.
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Catya

Dabk, I am a bit confused. What do you mean by "contrary to "Superior", "Above average" covers a very broad spectrum"? What critirea does LSAC use if they can evaluate cum laude as above average?

My LSAC report is Superior but I don't have honors due to the grade I got at the final examination.

Dabk, I am a bit confused. What do you mean by "contrary to "Superior", "Above average" covers a very broad spectrum"? What critirea does LSAC use if they can evaluate cum laude as above average?

My LSAC report is Superior but I don't have honors due to the grade I got at the final examination.
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dbk

Dabk, I am a bit confused. What do you mean by "contrary to "Superior", "Above average" covers a very broad spectrum"? What critirea does LSAC use if they can evaluate cum laude as above average?

My LSAC report is Superior but I don't have honors due to the grade I got at the final examination.


Apparently the LSAC uses ranking as the main criteria. Thus, you can graduate cum laude (or even magna cum laude) and be evaluated as "Above average" if you could not provide an official ranking to the LSAC.

However, if you are "Superior", you proved to the LSAC that you were ranked "top 5%" or better.

<blockquote>Dabk, I am a bit confused. What do you mean by "contrary to "Superior", "Above average" covers a very broad spectrum"? What critirea does LSAC use if they can evaluate cum laude as above average?

My LSAC report is Superior but I don't have honors due to the grade I got at the final examination. </blockquote>

Apparently the LSAC uses ranking as the main criteria. Thus, you can graduate cum laude (or even magna cum laude) and be evaluated as "Above average" if you could not provide an official ranking to the LSAC.

However, if you are "Superior", you proved to the LSAC that you were ranked "top 5%" or better.
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dierome

Hi.
I applied last year to several LLMs and used LSAC´s credential assembly service. I was successfully admitted to all but one of the programs I applied to (NYU and Georgetown admitted me; CLS rejected me, supossedly because I lacked sufficient work experience - they expressly encouraged me to apply again this year, after earning some work experience)
My record up until then was evaluated as "superior".
It covered my first degree in law, which in Latin America, takes 5 years.
However, due to some personal reasons, I was unable to
enroll. I will apply again this year, as I have overcome the
problems that prevented me from enrolling last year and hopefully, earned "sufficient work experience".
In the meantime, during the past 12 months, I worked as a law clerk at my country's supreme court and completed a graduate degree (we call it "specialization" here in Colombia) on tax law. It was a 1 year, part time degree (10 hours a week, 2 daily)
Although my grades aren´t bad at all (GPA 4.2/5), I am a little
bit concerned about my class ranking. It turns out my ranking
is, what one would call, average.
How do you think this graduate degree will hurt my chances of
admission?? Is a "specialization" degree taken as seriously as
your first degree in law (JD, LLB)?
I cannot believe I may have just marred my credentials that
easily!! I´m starting to think I should have enrolled last year!

Hi.
I applied last year to several LLMs and used LSAC´s credential assembly service. I was successfully admitted to all but one of the programs I applied to (NYU and Georgetown admitted me; CLS rejected me, supossedly because I lacked sufficient work experience - they expressly encouraged me to apply again this year, after earning some work experience)
My record up until then was evaluated as "superior".
It covered my first degree in law, which in Latin America, takes 5 years.
However, due to some personal reasons, I was unable to
enroll. I will apply again this year, as I have overcome the
problems that prevented me from enrolling last year and hopefully, earned "sufficient work experience".
In the meantime, during the past 12 months, I worked as a law clerk at my country's supreme court and completed a graduate degree (we call it "specialization" here in Colombia) on tax law. It was a 1 year, part time degree (10 hours a week, 2 daily)
Although my grades aren´t bad at all (GPA 4.2/5), I am a little
bit concerned about my class ranking. It turns out my ranking
is, what one would call, average.
How do you think this graduate degree will hurt my chances of
admission?? Is a "specialization" degree taken as seriously as
your first degree in law (JD, LLB)?
I cannot believe I may have just marred my credentials that
easily!! I´m starting to think I should have enrolled last year!
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mikado

Hi,

I've just recieved my evaluation from LSAC and am not pleased as I got "Above average".

I'm a french student (Paris 1), got honors every year with good grades, which usually puts you in the top 5/10 % I guess, even though there are no rankings?
What does one have to do to get "superior"?

I have a letter from my english teacher at Paris 1 explaining the french system. I didn't send it to LSAC as I assumed they knew the system very well.

Do you think above average is ok for universities like CLS, Chicago, NYU and Berkeley?
I'm only appling to these scools and am now wondering if I'm not going to waste a lot of money... Should I contact LSAC service?

Thank you very much!

Hi,

I've just recieved my evaluation from LSAC and am not pleased as I got "Above average".

I'm a french student (Paris 1), got honors every year with good grades, which usually puts you in the top 5/10 % I guess, even though there are no rankings?
What does one have to do to get "superior"?

I have a letter from my english teacher at Paris 1 explaining the french system. I didn't send it to LSAC as I assumed they knew the system very well.

Do you think above average is ok for universities like CLS, Chicago, NYU and Berkeley?
I'm only appling to these scools and am now wondering if I'm not going to waste a lot of money... Should I contact LSAC service?

Thank you very much!
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larichard

Hi man,
I think you could require LSAC to reevaluate your transcripts.

Hi man,
I think you could require LSAC to reevaluate your transcripts.
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dbk

Hi,

I've just recieved my evaluation from LSAC and am not pleased as I got "Above average".

I'm a french student (Paris 1), got honors every year with good grades, which usually puts you in the top 5/10 % I guess, even though there are no rankings?
What does one have to do to get "superior"?

I have a letter from my english teacher at Paris 1 explaining the french system. I didn't send it to LSAC as I assumed they knew the system very well.

Do you think above average is ok for universities like CLS, Chicago, NYU and Berkeley?
I'm only appling to these scools and am now wondering if I'm not going to waste a lot of money... Should I contact LSAC service?

Thank you very much!


I sent you a PM. About the French system, I am not really sure that "with honors" would mean top 10% or 5%. If it is mention "Bien" (2nd distinction) or better, yes. But otherwise, no.

<blockquote>Hi,

I've just recieved my evaluation from LSAC and am not pleased as I got "Above average".

I'm a french student (Paris 1), got honors every year with good grades, which usually puts you in the top 5/10 % I guess, even though there are no rankings?
What does one have to do to get "superior"?

I have a letter from my english teacher at Paris 1 explaining the french system. I didn't send it to LSAC as I assumed they knew the system very well.

Do you think above average is ok for universities like CLS, Chicago, NYU and Berkeley?
I'm only appling to these scools and am now wondering if I'm not going to waste a lot of money... Should I contact LSAC service?

Thank you very much! </blockquote>

I sent you a PM. About the French system, I am not really sure that "with honors" would mean top 10% or 5%. If it is mention "Bien" (2nd distinction) or better, yes. But otherwise, no.
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proBR

Hi dabk, your comments seem usually pertinent. But what criteria is your assumption based on? Doesn't it depend on the university? Some universities, for example, require higher grades to grant "mentions", so that there are less people awarded with them. In such a case, in principle, it seems that someone awarded with assez bien could be in the top 10 or 15 of the class. Am I wrong?

Hi dabk, your comments seem usually pertinent. But what criteria is your assumption based on? Doesn't it depend on the university? Some universities, for example, require higher grades to grant "mentions", so that there are less people awarded with them. In such a case, in principle, it seems that someone awarded with assez bien could be in the top 10 or 15 of the class. Am I wrong?
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