UK university for IP law studies


sa

I would appreciate some information regarding intellectual property programs provided by the UK universities. Which universties is considered to be leading in this particular area of law. In fact, almost every single university offers such studies but its hardly possible to compare among them. Approaches, remarks or comments regarding the issue from those studying or intrested in IP law would be very usefull for me. Thanks in advance.

I would appreciate some information regarding intellectual property programs provided by the UK universities. Which universties is considered to be leading in this particular area of law. In fact, almost every single university offers such studies but its hardly possible to compare among them. Approaches, remarks or comments regarding the issue from those studying or intrested in IP law would be very usefull for me. Thanks in advance.
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Carter

Start checking some old discussions:
www.llm-guide.com/board/9015
www.llm-guide.com/board/7161
www.llm-guide.com/board/1932
www.llm-guide.com/board/1518

Start checking some old discussions:
www.llm-guide.com/board/9015
www.llm-guide.com/board/7161
www.llm-guide.com/board/1932
www.llm-guide.com/board/1518
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sa

Thanks for your references. After checking the offered sites i've made an impression that you have once encountered the same issue. What was your final decision/choice concerning the UK university? And if it not private, what was C Millers recommendations? Did he provided you with some usefull insights on I would be very gratefull if you could share his opinion here.

Thanks for your references. After checking the offered sites i've made an impression that you have once encountered the same issue. What was your final decision/choice concerning the UK university? And if it not private, what was C Millers recommendations? Did he provided you with some usefull insights on I would be very gratefull if you could share his opinion here.
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lmwoods

I am employed at the University of Essex in the Department of Law. We run a programme on Information Technology Media and e-Commerce law. Admittedly it does not specialise in IP, but IP is one of the component elements. If you are interested have a look at the Essex web site: www.essex.ac.uk

I am employed at the University of Essex in the Department of Law. We run a programme on Information Technology Media and e-Commerce law. Admittedly it does not specialise in IP, but IP is one of the component elements. If you are interested have a look at the Essex web site: www.essex.ac.uk
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Carter

Thanks for your references. After checking the offered sites i've made an impression that you have once encountered the same issue. What was your final decision/choice concerning the UK university? And if it not private, what was C Millers recommendations? Did he provided you with some usefull insights on I would be very gratefull if you could share his opinion here.


Hi Sa

I applied to KC, UCL, QM, Manchester and Edinburgh. Of course there are more IP LLMs in the UK but I was mainly interested on those five. I don't have fantastic marks, pursued mostly of my LLB part-time and didn't want to waste time applying unrealistically to LSE, Oxf or Camb, neither wasting a lot of dough going to a Uni from the bottom of the list. Shouldnt be wrong because I got rejections from both KC and UCL, Edin and Manch sent me offers already and Im expecting QM to do the same soon.

My interests are mainly on IP, IT, computer & internet law, maybe something else like media or entertainment but nothing less. Cant be more precise, sorry. I have a ten year background in the musical business and Im actually in my first doctoral year. Cant think of anything except getting the best of my LLM year and coming back to my country properly reinforced to face my thesis. I want to get myself in a LLM which deals with some of the modern troubles IP has to face actually. Im sure you may imagine what kind of challenges I mean.

I am prone to choose Edin. Haven't make up my mind yet but I feel that it's going to be my final choice. Dont mind to explain you why but, please, do not forget that this works FOR ME ONLY. You should have your own interests and reasons.

- Re-LLM courses.

EDINBURGH offers "IP Law" (which includes Patents, Trade Marks, Copyright, Designs and the EU dimension of the whole mess), "IT and the Law" (E-Commerce, Privacy and Data Protection, Dispute Resolution in Cyberspace, Computer crime, IP protection of software and hardware, Copyright and the Net, Trademarks and Domain Names, Software Contracts, Open Source and Free Software, etc.) and either "International IP and IT Institutions: Law and Policy" (International Institutions, Dispute resolution and enforcement, Developing Countries, Cyberspace and IP protection, Open source software, etc.) or "European and International Media Law. You should choose three of them.

MANCHESTER offers Patent Law, Trade Mark Law and Copyright Law as compulsory independent subjects. I could take Information Technology Law, Industrial Design Law and International Aspects of Intellectual Property Law on the second semester to complete the credit requirements but couldn't do the same with Information Technology Law. Incomprehensibly, looks like IT isnt eligible for IP LLM students (http://www.law.manchester.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/courses/modules/module.html?code=LW7402).

QUEEN MARY allows you to choose three of the following and select another one to write an extended essay on it:
Computer Law
Franchising Law (half course)
Global Policy and Economics of Intellectual Property Law
Industrial and Intellectual Property
Intellectual Property Aspects of Medicine
Intellectual Property in the Digital Millennium
International and Comparative Law of Copyright and Related Rights
International and Comparative Law of Patents, Trade Secrets and Related Rights
International and Comparative Law of Trade Marks, Designs and Unfair Competition
Internet Law
Media Law
Taxation of Electronic Commerce (half course)
I could take Industrial and Intellectual Property, Intellectual Property in the Digital Millennium, Computer Law and Internet Law but QMs website doesnt show course content information at all and there is no IT unit in sight within them.

- Re-Assessment.

EDINBURGH: No exams, just two essays for subject (between 4,000 and 6,000 words, one each semester) and a 10,000 word dissertation to be handle before September. Call me crazy but I cant imagine a better way to improve my writing and research skills. It maybe harder than simply taking exams and will involve a lot of reading for sure but I feel this method will be very useful for me.

MANCHESTER: Assessment of course units seems to be mainly by way of 2-3 hour unseen examinations. You must also undertake two research papers 10,000 words in length each semester.

QUEEN MARY: Assessment methods include written examinations, assessed essays and a dissertation (15,000 words max.).

- Re-Academic reputation. Not a very important issue for me. From my point of view, Spanish recruiters, law firms or foundations offering scholarships are taking the general University reputation into consideration more than Schools. Believe it or not, Profesors who wrote references for me didnt heard of QM, barely known UCL, misleaded KC with the other famous college, known Manchester Uni because of Manchester United but both had the idea that Edinburgh was a very good university. The outlook isnt very different between my doctoral programme teachers. Too sad, I know, but bloody real. I think we all agree that Edinburgh is a tad higher on the rankings than Manchester and QM below them two.

And thats all. Sorry for the long message and the hundred spelling mistakes. Dont have patience to check the whole thing now. Hope this helps. Ive just decided to make my decision thinking over what I need and what is being offered. Maybe there are any other factors to be considered, dont be afraid of sharing it. There are a lot of people around who could help.

P.S: C. Miller is not paying me for this, he spams by his own (jejejeje, take no offense, Colin). Seriously, I didnt ask him for insights but I think he will be more than happy to solve any doubt you might have.

<blockquote>Thanks for your references. After checking the offered sites i've made an impression that you have once encountered the same issue. What was your final decision/choice concerning the UK university? And if it not private, what was C Millers recommendations? Did he provided you with some usefull insights on I would be very gratefull if you could share his opinion here.
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Hi Sa

I applied to KC, UCL, QM, Manchester and Edinburgh. Of course there are more IP LLMs in the UK but I was mainly interested on those five. I don't have fantastic marks, pursued mostly of my LLB part-time and didn't want to waste time applying unrealistically to LSE, Oxf or Camb, neither wasting a lot of dough going to a Uni from the bottom of the list. Shouldn’t be wrong because I got rejections from both KC and UCL, Edin and Manch sent me offers already and I’m expecting QM to do the same soon.

My interests are mainly on IP, IT, computer & internet law, maybe something else like media or entertainment but nothing less. Can’t be more precise, sorry. I have a ten year background in the musical business and I’m actually in my first doctoral year. Can’t think of anything except getting the best of my LLM year and coming back to my country properly reinforced to face my thesis. I want to get myself in a LLM which deals with some of the modern troubles IP has to face actually. I’m sure you may imagine what kind of challenges I mean.

I am prone to choose Edin. Haven't make up my mind yet but I feel that it's going to be my final choice. Don’t mind to explain you why but, please, do not forget that this works FOR ME ONLY. You should have your own interests and reasons.

- Re-LLM courses.

EDINBURGH offers "IP Law" (which includes Patents, Trade Marks, Copyright, Designs and the EU dimension of the whole mess), "IT and the Law" (E-Commerce, Privacy and Data Protection, Dispute Resolution in Cyberspace, Computer crime, IP protection of software and hardware, Copyright and the Net, Trademarks and Domain Names, Software Contracts, Open Source and Free Software, etc.) and either "International IP and IT Institutions: Law and Policy" (International Institutions, Dispute resolution and enforcement, Developing Countries, Cyberspace and IP protection, Open source software, etc.) or "European and International Media Law”. You should choose three of them.

MANCHESTER offers “Patent Law”, “Trade Mark Law” and “Copyright Law” as compulsory independent subjects. I could take “Information Technology Law”, “Industrial Design Law” and “International Aspects of Intellectual Property Law” on the second semester to complete the credit requirements but couldn't do the same with “Information Technology Law”. Incomprehensibly, looks like IT isn’t eligible for IP LLM students (http://www.law.manchester.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/courses/modules/module.html?code=LW7402).

QUEEN MARY allows you to choose three of the following and select another one to write an extended essay on it:
Computer Law
Franchising Law (half course)
Global Policy and Economics of Intellectual Property Law
Industrial and Intellectual Property
Intellectual Property Aspects of Medicine
Intellectual Property in the Digital Millennium
International and Comparative Law of Copyright and Related Rights
International and Comparative Law of Patents, Trade Secrets and Related Rights
International and Comparative Law of Trade Marks, Designs and Unfair Competition
Internet Law
Media Law
Taxation of Electronic Commerce (half course)
I could take “Industrial and Intellectual Property”, “Intellectual Property in the Digital Millennium”, “Computer Law” and “Internet Law” but QM’s website doesn’t show course content information at all and there is no IT unit in sight within them.

- Re-Assessment.

EDINBURGH: No exams, just two essays for subject (between 4,000 and 6,000 words, one each semester) and a 10,000 word dissertation to be handle before September. Call me crazy but I can’t imagine a better way to improve my writing and research skills. It maybe harder than simply taking exams and will involve a lot of reading for sure but I feel this method will be very useful for me.

MANCHESTER: Assessment of course units seems to be mainly by way of 2-3 hour unseen examinations. You must also undertake two research papers 10,000 words in length each semester.

QUEEN MARY: Assessment methods include written examinations, assessed essays and a dissertation (15,000 words max.).

- Re-Academic reputation. Not a very important issue for me. From my point of view, Spanish recruiters, law firms or foundations offering scholarships are taking the general University reputation into consideration more than School’s. Believe it or not, Profesors who wrote references for me didn’t heard of QM, barely known UCL, misleaded KC with the “other” famous college, known Manchester Uni “because of” Manchester United but both had the idea that Edinburgh was a very good university. The outlook isn’t very different between my doctoral programme teachers. Too sad, I know, but bloody real. I think we all agree that Edinburgh is a tad higher on the rankings than Manchester and QM below them two.

And that’s all. Sorry for the long message and the hundred spelling mistakes. Don’t have patience to check the whole thing now. Hope this helps. I’ve just decided to make my decision thinking over what I need and what is being offered. Maybe there are any other factors to be considered, don’t be afraid of sharing it. There are a lot of people around who could help.

P.S: C. Miller is not paying me for this, he spams by his own (jejejeje, take no offense, Colin). Seriously, I didn’t ask him for insights but I think he will be more than happy to solve any doubt you might have.
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C.Miller

Different programmes have different learning objectives and programme aims, and so the programme design stems from there. Comparing different programmes IS possible as Carter's excellent post demonstrates, though you may need to limit your criteria for fear of being swamped.

Asking questions on websites such as this excellent LLM-Guide.com to help out with decisions is a great idea. You may find that you've overlooked a popular programme.

You'll find advice offered here from a good mix of people including Uni insiders (such as myself), graduates, current students, recruiters and new candidates to provide what usually amounts to a fairly balanced opinion overall. (Glad you've enjoyed my posts, Carter ;-) ).

To start with your own, more detailed search, you can request brochures and visit Uni websites to find out what they say about themselves, where you'll find listings of the programme contents, as Carter has listed. That may be enough of a rough guide to narrow the field as Carter seems to have done?

SA (the original poster) mentions "leading" as criteria. What do you consider to be "leading", SA? I'd be interested to see that word expanded on, to give more detailed criteria for comparison. For example: does the number of staff on the programme make a difference to you? Or their publication records? Or what about the number of students currently enrolled? Perhaps the success of graduates or recognition in country X of the award and so on... "leading" can be measured in many ways, by focussing your own definition of that word, you'll find it easier to come to a decision.

Another option to find out information and to help make an informed decision, perhaps when you've narrowed the field a little, is to talk directly to those involved in delivery of programmes. So if the original poster, SA, or anyone would like to discuss The University of Edinburgh's LLM in more detail, then please do contact me. Likewise, if you're interested in talking with QM, Essex, UCL or any of the other Uni's mentioned on these boards, then don't be scared to pick up a phone or send through an email requesting more information or answers to your specific questions. Most of the time I'm sure you'll find someone helpful.

There are also open days at most Uni's which can be useful to help make a final decision when you have a handful of offers. The next open days here in Edinburgh are * Friday 15 June 2007 *
* Friday 7 September 2007 *
* Saturday 29 September 2007 *..

I hope my post is further help in the decision making and particularly the comparative exercise required when first starting out on selecting an LLM?! I've also asked a question myself in this post, so I look forward to continuing the discussion.

Different programmes have different learning objectives and programme aims, and so the programme design stems from there. Comparing different programmes IS possible as Carter's excellent post demonstrates, though you may need to limit your criteria for fear of being swamped.

Asking questions on websites such as this excellent LLM-Guide.com to help out with decisions is a great idea. You may find that you've overlooked a popular programme.

You'll find advice offered here from a good mix of people including Uni insiders (such as myself), graduates, current students, recruiters and new candidates to provide what usually amounts to a fairly balanced opinion overall. (Glad you've enjoyed my posts, Carter ;-) ).

To start with your own, more detailed search, you can request brochures and visit Uni websites to find out what they say about themselves, where you'll find listings of the programme contents, as Carter has listed. That may be enough of a rough guide to narrow the field as Carter seems to have done?

SA (the original poster) mentions "leading" as criteria. What do you consider to be "leading", SA? I'd be interested to see that word expanded on, to give more detailed criteria for comparison. For example: does the number of staff on the programme make a difference to you? Or their publication records? Or what about the number of students currently enrolled? Perhaps the success of graduates or recognition in country X of the award and so on... "leading" can be measured in many ways, by focussing your own definition of that word, you'll find it easier to come to a decision.

Another option to find out information and to help make an informed decision, perhaps when you've narrowed the field a little, is to talk directly to those involved in delivery of programmes. So if the original poster, SA, or anyone would like to discuss The University of Edinburgh's LLM in more detail, then please do contact me. Likewise, if you're interested in talking with QM, Essex, UCL or any of the other Uni's mentioned on these boards, then don't be scared to pick up a phone or send through an email requesting more information or answers to your specific questions. Most of the time I'm sure you'll find someone helpful.

There are also open days at most Uni's which can be useful to help make a final decision when you have a handful of offers. The next open days here in Edinburgh are * Friday 15 June 2007 *
* Friday 7 September 2007 *
* Saturday 29 September 2007 *..

I hope my post is further help in the decision making and particularly the comparative exercise required when first starting out on selecting an LLM?! I've also asked a question myself in this post, so I look forward to continuing the discussion.


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Carter

Cant agree more with you, Colin.

I believe first step is to narrow the field to those Universities offering programmes that suit your interests. Are you looking for a general IP LLM? Would you like to focus your career on patents or, maybe, your interest lies in IP matters related to developing countries such as traditional knowledge or technology transfer? These are the questions to ask ourselves. Then, check realistically what are your chances to be accepted in those unis. Rule out the inaccessible and compare programmes. If you are in the UK go to open days and get some fresh impressions, if not, phone or drop e-mails. I guess all of us followed the same path.

I personally give a lot of credit and importance to Universities websites. They are open windows to the inside of the institutions and I wouldnt ignore if the information displayed there is incompleted or unclear. I have a firm opinion of those that dont care about updating webs and keeping prospective students duly informed. EVERY impression counts.

Also, and if you are going to apply for a scholarship, one interesting point is to check if the granting institution has any sort of preference.

Can’t agree more with you, Colin.

I believe first step is to narrow the field to those Universities offering programmes that suit your interests. Are you looking for a general IP LLM? Would you like to focus your career on patents or, maybe, your interest lies in IP matters related to developing countries such as traditional knowledge or technology transfer? These are the questions to ask ourselves. Then, check realistically what are your chances to be accepted in those unis. Rule out the inaccessible and compare programmes. If you are in the UK go to open days and get some fresh impressions, if not, phone or drop e-mails. I guess all of us followed the same path.

I personally give a lot of credit and importance to Universities’ websites. They are open windows to the inside of the institutions and I wouldn’t ignore if the information displayed there is incompleted or unclear. I have a firm opinion of those that don’t care about updating webs and keeping prospective students duly informed. EVERY impression counts.

Also, and if you are going to apply for a scholarship, one interesting point is to check if the granting institution has any sort of preference.
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C.Miller

This website has a search facility at the top - you can select the country you wish to receive your instruction, the language you wish to be taught and the subject you want to follow. That will give you 20 institutions to start with, and from there you could follow through on the advice above to get down to the four or five you think are most appropriate.

Let us know how you get on SA, it's always good to hear when useful advice has been found on these boards!

This website has a search facility at the top - you can select the country you wish to receive your instruction, the language you wish to be taught and the subject you want to follow. That will give you 20 institutions to start with, and from there you could follow through on the advice above to get down to the four or five you think are most appropriate.

Let us know how you get on SA, it's always good to hear when useful advice has been found on these boards!

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