Hello!
I am just gathering some info as I am planing my future years :)
I am from Slovenia and I would really like to be a solicitor in UK law firm.
So I am thinking of applying for a LLM in UK at one of the top 25 Universities. But is LLM worth it? I will finish law school in Slovenia which is a part of EU and become a certified lawyer here.
I am also wondering about trainee selection in UK law firms. Can you apply after you finish your LLM or do they prefer that you start your training earlier? And do they take an international student with an LLM or would I need an LLB diploma?
I don´t wanna waste my time and money if there is no chance of getting a job in UK even though it is a dream and I am working really hard to get there. But if the chances are slim I would rather build my law career as a lawyer in Slovenia.
Solicitor UK and LLM
Posted Aug 14, 2011 22:31
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Hello!
I am just gathering some info as I am planing my future years :)
I am from Slovenia and I would really like to be a solicitor in UK law firm.
So I am thinking of applying for a LLM in UK at one of the top 25 Universities. But is LLM worth it? I will finish law school in Slovenia which is a part of EU and become a certified lawyer here.
I am also wondering about trainee selection in UK law firms. Can you apply after you finish your LLM or do they prefer that you start your training earlier? And do they take an international student with an LLM or would I need an LLB diploma?
I don´t wanna waste my time and money if there is no chance of getting a job in UK even though it is a dream and I am working really hard to get there. But if the chances are slim I would rather build my law career as a lawyer in Slovenia.
I am just gathering some info as I am planing my future years :)
I am from Slovenia and I would really like to be a solicitor in UK law firm.
So I am thinking of applying for a LLM in UK at one of the top 25 Universities. But is LLM worth it? I will finish law school in Slovenia which is a part of EU and become a certified lawyer here.
I am also wondering about trainee selection in UK law firms. Can you apply after you finish your LLM or do they prefer that you start your training earlier? And do they take an international student with an LLM or would I need an LLB diploma?
I don´t wanna waste my time and money if there is no chance of getting a job in UK even though it is a dream and I am working really hard to get there. But if the chances are slim I would rather build my law career as a lawyer in Slovenia.
Posted Aug 15, 2011 18:03
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Hello!
I am just gathering some info as I am planing my future years :)
I am from Slovenia and I would really like to be a solicitor in UK law firm.
So I am thinking of applying for a LLM in UK at one of the top 25 Universities. But is LLM worth it?
Hello Shiby,
given the desired outcome - solicitor in the UK - the answer is a simple one: No.
I am also wondering about trainee selection in UK law firms. Can you apply after you finish your LLM (?)
No.
And do they take an international student with an LLM (?)
No.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I have the notion that you need some further research concerning the "solicitor in the UK"-career track.
Bye and all the best
Flori
<blockquote>Hello!
I am just gathering some info as I am planing my future years :)
I am from Slovenia and I would really like to be a solicitor in UK law firm.
So I am thinking of applying for a LLM in UK at one of the top 25 Universities. But is LLM worth it?
</blockquote>
Hello Shiby,
given the desired outcome - solicitor in the UK - the answer is a simple one: No.
<blockquote>
I am also wondering about trainee selection in UK law firms. Can you apply after you finish your LLM (?)
</blockquote>
No.
<blockquote>And do they take an international student with an LLM (?)
</blockquote>
No.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I have the notion that you need some further research concerning the "solicitor in the UK"-career track.
Bye and all the best
Flori
I am just gathering some info as I am planing my future years :)
I am from Slovenia and I would really like to be a solicitor in UK law firm.
So I am thinking of applying for a LLM in UK at one of the top 25 Universities. But is LLM worth it?
</blockquote>
Hello Shiby,
given the desired outcome - solicitor in the UK - the answer is a simple one: No.
<blockquote>
I am also wondering about trainee selection in UK law firms. Can you apply after you finish your LLM (?)
</blockquote>
No.
<blockquote>And do they take an international student with an LLM (?)
</blockquote>
No.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I have the notion that you need some further research concerning the "solicitor in the UK"-career track.
Bye and all the best
Flori
Posted Aug 15, 2011 22:53
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Thanks :) Yeah I know that I need to do some further research. And I also know that if I become a certified lawyer in Slovenia I can take a QLTT in UK.
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances? Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?
Thanks :) Yeah I know that I need to do some further research. And I also know that if I become a certified lawyer in Slovenia I can take a QLTT in UK.
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances? Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances? Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?
Posted Aug 16, 2011 07:32
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Hi Shiby,
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances?
Yes, it will - from zero to marginal.
Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?
No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do. However, contrary to the propaganda published in many LLM programme brochures the LLM is not an entry ticket to the "Magic Circle" or - broader - "Legal London".
One of my lecturers from the LLM programme, who has recently become course director, put the whole situation in very clear words during an informal event: "They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
Bye
flori
Hi Shiby,
<blockquote>
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances?</blockquote>
Yes, it will - from zero to marginal.
<blockquote>Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?</blockquote>
No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do. However, contrary to the propaganda published in many LLM programme brochures the LLM is not an entry ticket to the "Magic Circle" or - broader - "Legal London".
One of my lecturers from the LLM programme, who has recently become course director, put the whole situation in very clear words during an informal event: "They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
Bye
flori
<blockquote>
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances?</blockquote>
Yes, it will - from zero to marginal.
<blockquote>Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?</blockquote>
No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do. However, contrary to the propaganda published in many LLM programme brochures the LLM is not an entry ticket to the "Magic Circle" or - broader - "Legal London".
One of my lecturers from the LLM programme, who has recently become course director, put the whole situation in very clear words during an informal event: "They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
Bye
flori
Posted Aug 16, 2011 12:35
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Hi Shiby,
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances?
Yes, it will - from zero to marginal.Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?
No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do. However, contrary to the propaganda published in many LLM programme brochures the LLM is not an entry ticket into the "Magic Circle" or - broader - "Legal London".
One of my lecturers from the LLM programme, who has recently become turned course director, put the whole situation in very clear words during an informal event: "They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
Bye
flori
<blockquote>Hi Shiby,
<blockquote>
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances?</blockquote>
Yes, it will - from zero to marginal.
<blockquote>Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?</blockquote>
No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do. However, contrary to the propaganda published in many LLM programme brochures the LLM is not an entry ticket into the "Magic Circle" or - broader - "Legal London".
One of my lecturers from the LLM programme, who has recently become turned course director, put the whole situation in very clear words during an informal event: "They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
Bye
flori</blockquote>
<blockquote>
But my problem is that I just don´t see any law firms hiring as I am without any common law experience. So wouldn´t LLM boost my chances?</blockquote>
Yes, it will - from zero to marginal.
<blockquote>Or is LLM really "worthless" like a lot of people here say it is?</blockquote>
No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do. However, contrary to the propaganda published in many LLM programme brochures the LLM is not an entry ticket into the "Magic Circle" or - broader - "Legal London".
One of my lecturers from the LLM programme, who has recently become turned course director, put the whole situation in very clear words during an informal event: "They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
Bye
flori</blockquote>
Posted Aug 16, 2011 12:45
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It is beyond my belief that few people are condisdering LLM to be worhless. Is it for an argument sake ?. Don't discourage people who want genuine advice to pursue or climb the academic calender!
I understand some few schools don't deserve your precious time and money but it worth as a lawyer to obtain a prestigious LLM degree after the LLB the professional qualification(s)
It is beyond my belief that few people are condisdering LLM to be worhless. Is it for an argument sake ?. Don't discourage people who want genuine advice to pursue or climb the academic calender!
I understand some few schools don't deserve your precious time and money but it worth as a lawyer to obtain a prestigious LLM degree after the LLB the professional qualification(s)
I understand some few schools don't deserve your precious time and money but it worth as a lawyer to obtain a prestigious LLM degree after the LLB the professional qualification(s)
Posted Aug 16, 2011 14:20
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Dear Y.K. Thomas,
with all due respect I have to say that I consider the tone of your message inadequate and not overly helpful.
It is beyond my belief that few people are condisdering LLM to be worhless. Is it for an argument sake ?. Don't discourage people who want genuine advice to pursue or climb the academic calender!
Given the failed quoting attempt I assume that your posting was directed at me. Have you actually read my reply? I am not so sure about that, as my statement
"No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do."leaves no room at all for your construction.
Furthermore, I am wondering whether you have read the original posting. If so, you would have known that the original poster does not want to "climb the academic calender" (???). The original poster wants to work as a solicitor in the Uk...
I understand some few schools don't deserve your precious time and money but it worth as a lawyer to obtain a prestigious LLM degree after the LLB the professional qualification(s)
Given that - according to your posting profile - you seem to be an expert when it comes to both the English and the American bar you will certainly be able to further elaborate your thesis with regards to the original poster's intentions.
Bye
flori
P.S.
I am sorry for my writing style, which deviates from the usual one. However, I have to say that both style and content of your reply really irritated me and the style appears to be justified in this special case...
Dear Y.K. Thomas,
with all due respect I have to say that I consider the tone of your message inadequate and not overly helpful.
<blockquote>It is beyond my belief that few people are condisdering LLM to be worhless. Is it for an argument sake ?. Don't discourage people who want genuine advice to pursue or climb the academic calender!</blockquote>
Given the failed quoting attempt I assume that your posting was directed at me. Have you actually read my reply? I am not so sure about that, as my statement <blockquote>"No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do."</blockquote> leaves no room at all for your construction.
Furthermore, I am wondering whether you have read the original posting. If so, you would have known that the original poster does not want to "climb the academic calender" (???). The original poster wants to work as a solicitor in the Uk...
<blockquote>
I understand some few schools don't deserve your precious time and money but it worth as a lawyer to obtain a prestigious LLM degree after the LLB the professional qualification(s)</blockquote>
Given that - according to your posting profile - you seem to be an expert when it comes to both the English and the American bar you will certainly be able to further elaborate your thesis with regards to the original poster's intentions.
Bye
flori
P.S.
I am sorry for my writing style, which deviates from the usual one. However, I have to say that both style and content of your reply really irritated me and the style appears to be justified in this special case...
with all due respect I have to say that I consider the tone of your message inadequate and not overly helpful.
<blockquote>It is beyond my belief that few people are condisdering LLM to be worhless. Is it for an argument sake ?. Don't discourage people who want genuine advice to pursue or climb the academic calender!</blockquote>
Given the failed quoting attempt I assume that your posting was directed at me. Have you actually read my reply? I am not so sure about that, as my statement <blockquote>"No, the LLM is far from "worthless". There are many situations when pursuing an LLM is actually the right thing to do."</blockquote> leaves no room at all for your construction.
Furthermore, I am wondering whether you have read the original posting. If so, you would have known that the original poster does not want to "climb the academic calender" (???). The original poster wants to work as a solicitor in the Uk...
<blockquote>
I understand some few schools don't deserve your precious time and money but it worth as a lawyer to obtain a prestigious LLM degree after the LLB the professional qualification(s)</blockquote>
Given that - according to your posting profile - you seem to be an expert when it comes to both the English and the American bar you will certainly be able to further elaborate your thesis with regards to the original poster's intentions.
Bye
flori
P.S.
I am sorry for my writing style, which deviates from the usual one. However, I have to say that both style and content of your reply really irritated me and the style appears to be justified in this special case...
Posted Aug 17, 2011 00:40
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"They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
Well expressed...
To the others: What do you expect ?
Coming to a foreign country without beeing highly educated and skilled in this countries domestic legal system & practice. Who would want to get legal advice from such a lawyer ? From my civil law perspective I can say that common law is very sophisticated and difficult, you will certainly not be able to get any considerable knowledge in just one year - if you have not studied it before.
<blockquote> "They are not waiting for x (insert your name)".
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
</blockquote>
Well expressed...
To the others: What do you expect ?
Coming to a foreign country without beeing highly educated and skilled in this countries domestic legal system & practice. Who would want to get legal advice from such a lawyer ? From my civil law perspective I can say that common law is very sophisticated and difficult, you will certainly not be able to get any considerable knowledge in just one year - if you have not studied it before.
Sorry to shatter your dreams/plans, but in 95% of the cases the LLM/QLTT will only cost you precious time and a lot of money...
</blockquote>
Well expressed...
To the others: What do you expect ?
Coming to a foreign country without beeing highly educated and skilled in this countries domestic legal system & practice. Who would want to get legal advice from such a lawyer ? From my civil law perspective I can say that common law is very sophisticated and difficult, you will certainly not be able to get any considerable knowledge in just one year - if you have not studied it before.
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Posted Aug 17, 2011 10:28
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I am afraid Flori is right on the issue of getting a job with the LLM.
The path to qualify as a solicitor is long and financially cumbersome. I would not do it unless you are sure you want to live in the UK permanently.
You will not get a job in any law firm solely with an LLM specially in the UK.
The profession, I repeat, is highly elitist and still closed and with the pressure associated with it in London is simply not worth it. You're better off in the United States.
I am afraid Flori is right on the issue of getting a job with the LLM.
The path to qualify as a solicitor is long and financially cumbersome. I would not do it unless you are sure you want to live in the UK permanently.
You will not get a job in any law firm solely with an LLM specially in the UK.
The profession, I repeat, is highly elitist and still closed and with the pressure associated with it in London is simply not worth it. You're better off in the United States.
The path to qualify as a solicitor is long and financially cumbersome. I would not do it unless you are sure you want to live in the UK permanently.
You will not get a job in any law firm solely with an LLM specially in the UK.
The profession, I repeat, is highly elitist and still closed and with the pressure associated with it in London is simply not worth it. You're better off in the United States.
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