Oxford BCL and Cambridge LLM Applicants 2009


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Iustitia

uh.... suddenly I'm feeling so negative about the whole thing...I'm so tired of waiting and hoping...oh, what the hell! in or out, I'm alive and healthy - that's all that matters. and after all, everything happens for a reason. what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. alright.

sorry for going offtopic, I needed this little conversation with myself :)

uh.... suddenly I'm feeling so negative about the whole thing...I'm so tired of waiting and hoping...oh, what the hell! in or out, I'm alive and healthy - that's all that matters. and after all, everything happens for a reason. what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. alright.

sorry for going offtopic, I needed this little conversation with myself :)
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QSWE

aham!!

was this a little conversation with yourself?

aham!!

was this a little conversation with yourself?
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Cedric

uh.... suddenly I'm feeling so negative about the whole thing...I'm so tired of waiting and hoping...oh, what the hell! in or out, I'm alive and healthy - that's all that matters. and after all, everything happens for a reason. what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. alright.

sorry for going offtopic, I needed this little conversation with myself :)


very true, lustitia !!! I think that's the best approach. Like you, my hopes change with every post I read. Sometimes one gets the impression to have an excellent shot, other times you look at the fierce competition and one realises that every applicant is extremely good.

<blockquote>uh.... suddenly I'm feeling so negative about the whole thing...I'm so tired of waiting and hoping...oh, what the hell! in or out, I'm alive and healthy - that's all that matters. and after all, everything happens for a reason. what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. alright.

sorry for going offtopic, I needed this little conversation with myself :)</blockquote>

very true, lustitia !!! I think that's the best approach. Like you, my hopes change with every post I read. Sometimes one gets the impression to have an excellent shot, other times you look at the fierce competition and one realises that every applicant is extremely good.
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Skal

Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).


You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.


I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

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<blockquote><blockquote>Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).</blockquote>

You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.</blockquote>

I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

[I guess you've done a 5year LLB and thats why may be scoring differs].
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Cedric

Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).



You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.


I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

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I think you have the same chances as the rest of us. It is so difficult to compare candidates with each other. As already mentioned above, our home universities and our countries differ, our background can be totally different,..
Don't waste time comparing yourself to others, even when they are from your country. The only ones who know what it takes to get in are the people on the selection board.
Good luck !

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).</blockquote>


You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.</blockquote>

I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

[I guess you've done a 5year LLB and thats why may be scoring differs].</blockquote>

I think you have the same chances as the rest of us. It is so difficult to compare candidates with each other. As already mentioned above, our home universities and our countries differ, our background can be totally different,..
Don't waste time comparing yourself to others, even when they are from your country. The only ones who know what it takes to get in are the people on the selection board.
Good luck !
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Cedric

Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).


I think you have the same chances as the rest of us. It is so difficult to compare candidates with each other. As already mentioned above, our home universities and our countries differ, our background can be totally different,..
Don't waste time comparing yourself to others, even when they are from your country. The only ones who know what it takes to get in are the people on the selection board.
Good luck !


You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.


I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

.



I think you have the same chances as the rest of us. It is so difficult to compare candidates with each other. As already mentioned above, our home universities and our countries differ, our background can be totally different,..
Don't waste time comparing yourself to others, even when they are from your country. The only ones who know what it takes to get in are the people on the selection board.
Good luck !

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).</blockquote>

I think you have the same chances as the rest of us. It is so difficult to compare candidates with each other. As already mentioned above, our home universities and our countries differ, our background can be totally different,..
Don't waste time comparing yourself to others, even when they are from your country. The only ones who know what it takes to get in are the people on the selection board.
Good luck !


You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.</blockquote>

I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

[I guess you've done a 5year LLB and thats why may be scoring differs].</blockquote></blockquote>


I think you have the same chances as the rest of us. It is so difficult to compare candidates with each other. As already mentioned above, our home universities and our countries differ, our background can be totally different,..
Don't waste time comparing yourself to others, even when they are from your country. The only ones who know what it takes to get in are the people on the selection board.
Good luck !
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yaiza242

Did you get it? Was it worth?

I got in and now I am doing the LL.M. in Cambridge.
Anywas, someone was worried that he did not have a high first. If you have a first and you are done with your BA/JD, you need not to worry, they will consider you as having met the minimum requirements. They gave me an academic conditional offer to obtain a high first only b/c when I applied, I had 4 exams left to finish and, I guess, they wanted me to keep performing well instead of relaxing since I already had their admission.
Be patient and have hope


Yaiza,

There was a suggestion on another thread that in case of a tie between equally qualified students, they (the committees) would prefer people with work-ex.

Now that you are there and would have had a chance to observe the trends, where would you put the ratio of freshers to experienced people. I guess there would be quite a substantial number of freshers but your insight would be helpful and warmly welcome.


I cannot speak in general b/c we are 135 and I dunno all of them, let alone their lives, but comparing my groups of friends I'd say 30% freshers.

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Did you get it? Was it worth?</blockquote>
I got in and now I am doing the LL.M. in Cambridge.
Anywas, someone was worried that he did not have a high first. If you have a first and you are done with your BA/JD, you need not to worry, they will consider you as having met the minimum requirements. They gave me an academic conditional offer to obtain a high first only b/c when I applied, I had 4 exams left to finish and, I guess, they wanted me to keep performing well instead of relaxing since I already had their admission.
Be patient and have hope</blockquote>

Yaiza,

There was a suggestion on another thread that in case of a tie between equally qualified students, they (the committees) would prefer people with work-ex.

Now that you are there and would have had a chance to observe the trends, where would you put the ratio of freshers to experienced people. I guess there would be quite a substantial number of freshers but your insight would be helpful and warmly welcome.</blockquote>

I cannot speak in general b/c we are 135 and I dunno all of them, let alone their lives, but comparing my groups of friends I'd say 30% freshers.
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QSWE

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QSWE

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Skal

Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).


You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.


I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

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You havn't got my question right and that is why you have ended up with a wrong analysis. My stress on university was in order to neutralise the percentage factor. Delhi and Bangalore University are regarded as the best in India and are noted highly for their standards. People at Cambridge and Oxford know the trends at DU clearly and now your chances have only been further strenthened. Being among the top 5% of DU is no mean achievement and you meet all the criteria laid down by both Oxford and Cambridge.

I havn't said anything negative so don't loose hope.

As I said earlier and would only repeat it here, you have a great chance at getting in at LSE and Oxbridge.


Thanks for the reassuring post jags, you're very kind.........I guess all we can do is wait and watch. I already have a conditional offer from King's and just waiting to hear from LSE and Oxbridge. I have completed 8 weeks deadline of LSE but still havent heard anything. I think the best option would be to hold on to the King's conditional offer and not make it unconditional until at least response from LSE is received. Am I right?

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Hi Jags, I've been reading your posts - seems you've done a thorough research. I'm an Indian lawyer (though with upper second class only) but have other feathers in my hat (ACA, big4 experience, authoring a chapter in one of Tolley's tax books, good references etc etc). Do you think people like me stand a chance? I am particularly nervous as I didnt score that great in my LL.B. and managed only an upper second class. I thought you might have a better understanding of how Indian LL.B. is weighed by the admission committees in the UK (esp in Oxbridge and LSE).</blockquote>

You have taken one spot away from me. haha...

Upper second class.. whats the real score?
Which university n what course (5 years or 3 years)?
How long have you been away from academia?
I guess you have applied with an aim at Tax laws. If that is the case you are in buddy, at least at Cambridge, where they seem to operate upwards of 67-68%.
With Oxford, they have strong tax wing and I think they would embrace you with open arms.
Only problem might be if you have been away from academia for too long i.e. 4-5 years and upwards.

Your best chance though would be at LSE, because they look at more rounded and better focused candidates. You seem to have all the right credentials for LSE, more so, as they are running a project in Tax.

BTW, I am sorry I am not cognizant with ACA (so please write its full name) though I imagine it has a lot to do with tax.

Do write answers to my questions, especially, university and no. of years away, but I would imagine you should be in.</blockquote>

I did 3 yrs LLB from Delhi Uni back completed in 2005. ACA is Chartered Accountant from India. I have been away from full-time courses since 2005 but have been doing some additional distance-learning tax qualification from UK.

To be honest, you've taken away all hopes from me.....67-68% is something that even the topper in DU wouldnt have achieved. My letter of reco from the professor-in-charge says that I was in top 5% of the class but my score is no way near 67% and thats why I am nervous and may be stand no chance. The only time I scored that was in BCom (from SRCC) but in LLB, not even in the best of dreams. So does that mean I have lost it all and would need strongest of luck to get through Oxbridge?

[I guess you've done a 5year LLB and thats why may be scoring differs].</blockquote>

You havn't got my question right and that is why you have ended up with a wrong analysis. My stress on university was in order to neutralise the percentage factor. Delhi and Bangalore University are regarded as the best in India and are noted highly for their standards. People at Cambridge and Oxford know the trends at DU clearly and now your chances have only been further strenthened. Being among the top 5% of DU is no mean achievement and you meet all the criteria laid down by both Oxford and Cambridge.

I havn't said anything negative so don't loose hope.

As I said earlier and would only repeat it here, you have a great chance at getting in at LSE and Oxbridge.</blockquote>

Thanks for the reassuring post jags, you're very kind.........I guess all we can do is wait and watch. I already have a conditional offer from King's and just waiting to hear from LSE and Oxbridge. I have completed 8 weeks deadline of LSE but still havent heard anything. I think the best option would be to hold on to the King's conditional offer and not make it unconditional until at least response from LSE is received. Am I right? [I know I sound like a nervous kid.]
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QSWE

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Skal

oh great........who knows we might land up in the same uni - may i ask from which uni did you do your LLB from and when?

oh great........who knows we might land up in the same uni - may i ask from which uni did you do your LLB from and when?
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QSWE

See P.M.

See P.M.
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crimlawyer

Anyone received the alleged results from Cambridge?

Anyone received the alleged results from Cambridge?
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Cedric

Anyone received the alleged results from Cambridge?


Nothing here :)

<blockquote>Anyone received the alleged results from Cambridge?</blockquote>

Nothing here :)
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Yea me too nothing from Cam so far. God this wait is bad for my health!

Yea me too nothing from Cam so far. God this wait is bad for my health!
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Cedric

Yea me too nothing from Cam so far. God this wait is bad for my health!


Yeah, the uncertainty sucks. One could get something tomorrow or in 2 months..

<blockquote>Yea me too nothing from Cam so far. God this wait is bad for my health!</blockquote>

Yeah, the uncertainty sucks. One could get something tomorrow or in 2 months..
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CR2

I agree. This is nerve-racking. I´ll let you know whether white or black smoke goes up my chimney. Like a band-aid, I rather rip it off right away than wait until March to know.

I agree. This is nerve-racking. I´ll let you know whether white or black smoke goes up my chimney. Like a band-aid, I rather rip it off right away than wait until March to know.
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Cedric

I agree. This is nerve-racking. I´ll let you know whether white or black smoke goes up my chimney. Like a band-aid, I rather rip it off right away than wait until March to know.


:)

<blockquote>I agree. This is nerve-racking. I´ll let you know whether white or black smoke goes up my chimney. Like a band-aid, I rather rip it off right away than wait until March to know. </blockquote>

:)
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